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They Hate Us Because They Hate Israel
Wall St Journal ^ | 10-8-01 | David Gelernter

Posted on 10/08/2001 6:32:26 AM PDT by SJackson

Edited on 04/22/2004 11:45:34 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

There are two competing theories about the Sept. 11 massacres. The Israeli-connection theory holds that we were hit because we are Israel's only friend in the world. The Great Satan theory, on the other hand, deems the Israel connection to be only a sideshow. Mideast terrorists hate us for our own selves.


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1 posted on 10/08/2001 6:32:26 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: SJackson
I beleive that this is the guy who was maimed by the Unibomber.
2 posted on 10/08/2001 6:41:59 AM PDT by Rodney King
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To: SJackson
Islam cannot not stand up, as it is practiced in Moslum countries, to open sources of communication. The Internet, CNN, and freedom are the greatest fear that this religon has. It relies on ignorance and use intolerence to keep the masses in line. People in American can practice this religion as a choice, but from what I've seen my sister go through with an Arab boyfriend - pigs have better manners and better morality; the Moslum idea of sex outside the marriage is a little boy so as not to offend God.
3 posted on 10/08/2001 6:43:47 AM PDT by Jumper
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To: Jumper
They hate us and the Jews because they hate themselves. The Arab culture of oppression, poverty, backwardness, defeatism, poor education, filth, absence of sanitation, and general backwardness in a world that is passing them by very quickly.

The strongest emotion is jealousy, and that is what is driving the Arab and Moslem world.

4 posted on 10/08/2001 6:47:56 AM PDT by imperator2
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To: imperator2
They hate because Allah, through Mohammed, his only prophet, ordered them to hate (and to seize, and to kill, & cetera ad infinitum):
Medina Suras
The Chapter of Women
[Chapters from the Koran]
The Harvard Classics 1909–14

But if there befalls you grace from God, he would say—as though there were no friendship between you and him—‘O would that I had been with thee to attain this mighty happiness!’ Let those then fight in God’s way who sell this life of the world for the next; and whoso fights in God’s way, then, be he killed or be he victorious, we will give him a mighty hire.

What ails you that ye do not fight in God’s way, and for the weak men and women and children, who say, ‘Lord, bring us out of this town 19 of oppressive folk, and make for us from Thee a patron, and make for us from Thee a help?’

Those who believe fight in the way of God; and those who disbelieve fight in the way of Tâghût; fight ye then against the friends of Satan, verily, Satan’s tricks are weak.

Do ye not see those to whom it is said, ‘Restrain your hands, and be steadfast in prayer and give alms;’ and when it is prescribed for them to fight then a band of them fear men, as though it were the fear of God or a still stronger fear, and they say, ‘O our Lord! why hast thou prescribed for us to fight, couldst thou not let us abide till our near appointed time?’ Say, ‘The enjoyment of this world is but slight, and the next is better for him who fears;’—but they shall not be wronged a straw.

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Why are ye two parties about the hypocrites, when God hath overturned them for what they earned? Do ye wish to guide those whom God hath led astray? Whoso God hath led astray ye shall not surely find for him a path. They would fain that ye misbelieve as they misbelieve, that ye might be alike; take ye not patrons from among them until they too flee in God’s way; but if they turn their backs, then seize them and kill them wheresoever ye find them, and take from them neither patron nor help,—save those who reach a people betwixt whom and you is an alliance—or who come to you while their bosoms prevent them from fighting you or fighting their own people. But had God pleased He would have given you dominion over them, and they would surely have fought you. But if they retire from you and do not fight you, and offer you peace,—then God hath given you no way against them.

Ye will find others who seek for quarter from you, and quarter from their own people; whenever they return to sedition they shall be overturned therein: but if they retire not from you, nor offer you peace, nor restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wheresoever ye find them;—over these we have made for you manifest power.


5 posted on 10/08/2001 6:59:25 AM PDT by SlickWillard
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To: Rodney King
I beleive that this is the guy who was maimed by the Unibomber.

That is correct.

6 posted on 10/08/2001 7:00:53 AM PDT by Crusader Rabbit
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To: SJackson
They hate us because they need someone to hate. Hate is the unifying emotion that the clerics draw upon to maintain their power base. Islam requires the face of the devil to unify and motivate their believers. The actions of a free super power make us a natural target.
7 posted on 10/08/2001 7:07:16 AM PDT by 11bravo
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To: imperator2
"The Arab culture of oppression, poverty, backwardness, defeatism, poor education, filth, absence of sanitation, and general backwardness in a world that is passing them by very quickly. "

Bingo. They want what we have, but they don't want to make the changes that would allow it. So, if they are unwilling to change, and therefore can't have this kind of life, they want to destroy it. "If we can't have it, no one can." It has never been about "cultures clashing." Every last one of them would love to live as we do, given half a chance. Heck, the "suicide" terrorists of 9/11 did, in fact, do just that--they adored living here.

8 posted on 10/08/2001 7:09:27 AM PDT by MizSterious
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To: annalex, Judge Parker
fyi
9 posted on 10/08/2001 7:15:05 AM PDT by LSJohn
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To: 11bravo
They hate us because they need someone to hate. Hate is the unifying emotion that the clerics draw upon to maintain their power base.

BINGO!!! These radicals are NO differient than any of the other power mad idiots populating the history of man on this Earth! To them POWER over others is the ONLY thing that matters and they will do ANYTHING to have it! In this case they willingly pervert a religion to their purpose but have NO doubt that their goal is, and always will be POWER over others!

The Koran teaches that use of force is justified to "protect Islam". In the perverse minds of these power mad idiots the very exsistance of a free society which allows the election of it leaders from amongst the people and which allows everyone to worship as they choose is a threat to Islam and thus MUST be done away with!

10 posted on 10/08/2001 7:32:02 AM PDT by Bigun
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To: SJackson
They Hate Us Because They Hate Israel

I heard that one before. Wasn't it the godfather who offered protection to some kid if he married his daughter and not some other babe? Yeah, sure, like we need Bin Laden's protection.

When we'll get that perverts, he'll probably will ask for a plea bargain ... if he is not killed by then.

11 posted on 10/08/2001 7:37:53 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: LSJohn
Good article. The militant Muslims don't view America as just another nation, like France of Britain, but as a representative of the Western civilization as a whole. They also view Israel as the outpost of the Western civilization in the Middle East. They are correct on both counts.

If America were to adopt the view that it is another nation, like France or Britain, -- a view it hasn't held since WWII, and if it communicated that change in its geopolitical mood to the militant Arabs by abandoning its support for Israel, then indeed, the Arab hatred would concentrate on the countries that surround Arabia: Israel, Turkey, the Balkans, Spain, India etc. Chances are, Europe would step to the plate at some point, but lacking national cohesion and historical experience to be at the forefront (last time they tried was during the Crusades), they won't accomplish much.

12 posted on 10/08/2001 7:46:45 AM PDT by annalex
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To: Jumper
Islam cannot not stand up, as it is practiced in Moslum countries, to open sources of communication.

While christianity is based on the complexities of merciful openness, Islam is based on the simplicity of a war religion.

It's that simple, the Koran promises to men fresh and young women, just as savage warriors have always been promised bounty and women to rape. Hence we have a clear combination of war like strictness and collectivism coupled with unfathomable perversion, corruption and cruelty for motivation.

13 posted on 10/08/2001 7:51:38 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: SJackson
They will all be dead soon, anyway. After that, there will be plenty of time to figure out why they hated us.
14 posted on 10/08/2001 7:53:24 AM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: SJackson
I think all they do is hate. Sunnis hate Shi'ites. Muslims hate Hindus. Arabs hate Persians. What do you expect from a culture that can't produce anything? They only have hate to import.
15 posted on 10/08/2001 7:56:07 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: SJackson
If they hate us because of Israel, then why since the beginning of their religion have they tried to destroy any infidel (non-muslim)? Israel as a nation has only been around since '48.
17 posted on 10/08/2001 8:09:55 AM PDT by marxwas a loser
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To: annalex
Excellent observations.

I would like to see us moving more in that direction. The events of Sept 11 are not the cause of my view, but underline it.

Keep your eyes peeled for evidence that the NWO folks are moving away from Israel. Many of them appear to me to think global government is not possible as long as that flashpoint exists.

18 posted on 10/08/2001 8:47:01 AM PDT by LSJohn
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To: LSJohn
I think global government is not possible, period. If America withdraws from the international scene as an empire, the outcome won't be a multutude of peaceful small nations, but another empire: the European Community, or the Russians, or the Chinese. Power abhors vacuum, and the Middle East is for most part vacuum.

Our influence on Israel was mostly to stay Israel's hand when they alone were inclined to act militarily toward the Palestinians. If America abandons Israel now, they will annex the Palestine and the war on terrorism that we are engaged in will escalate to include PA, possibly Egypt, Syria and Jordan.

19 posted on 10/08/2001 12:21:36 PM PDT by annalex
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To: Lock & Load
You are joking. Israel is a democracy fighting for its existance against irrational Arabs psychos. We need to support Israel. We love Israel and hate the stupidity of the Arab nations.
20 posted on 10/08/2001 12:34:43 PM PDT by imperator2
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