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Egypt and Saudi Arabia Won't Supply List of Passengers Flying to U.S.
The New York Times ^ | October 18, 2001 | ROBERT PEAR

Posted on 10/18/2001 3:08:35 PM PDT by sarcasm

WASHINGTON, Oct. 17 — Federal officials said today that Saudi Arabia and Egypt had refused to cooperate with American efforts to identify terrorists and other criminals on aircraft flying to the United States.

Ninety-four airlines cooperate, but Saudi Arabian Airlines and Egypt Air are among a handful that do not electronically provide passenger lists when planes begin flights to the United States, the officials said.

The new customs commissioner, Robert C. Bonner, said airlines should be required to collect and provide names and other basic information about passengers traveling to the United States from abroad.

"It should be mandatory," Mr. Bonner said. "It should be a condition for getting landing rights in the United States. We now receive this information on 70 to 80 percent of passengers on arriving international flights. That's unacceptable. We should have the information on 100 percent of passengers."

Bush administration officials said they would soon propose such a requirement. The idea has support from members of Congress in both parties, but it has been caught in a parliamentary logjam, with several committees claiming authority.

For more than a decade, the United States has been increasing the use of computers to screen passengers before they arrive in this country.


Airlines cooperating with federal law enforcement authorities send data electronically to the United States when international flights depart for this country. The Customs Service and the Immigration and Naturalization Service check the names against "watch lists" of suspected terrorists and criminals.

Inspectors from the two agencies can then identify high-risk passengers so they and their baggage can be scrutinized more closely after the flights arrive.

Airlines participating in this program, known as the Advance Passenger Information System, receive some benefits in return. Most of their passengers can pass more quickly through customs and immigration inspections because the names have already been checked — a task that must otherwise be done by law enforcement officers at American airports, after the flights arrive.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation says that most of the hijackers in the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks were Saudis. One of the ringleaders, Mohamed Atta, was an Egyptian.

A spokesman for the Saudi Embassy said his country was not in any hurry to sign up for the Advance Passenger Information System.

"At this time," the spokesman said, "hundreds of Saudi citizens are being detained and questioned with regard to the hijackings. A lot of them are innocent people. That number would probably quadruple if we shared advance information on air passengers with the United States."

The spokesman, who discussed the matter on condition of anonymity, said American authorities often mixed up the names of Saudis. Hundreds of Saudis have the same first and last names as some of the hijackers, he said, and some of the hijackers were apparently using stolen identity documents. The Saudi government has hired lawyers for many of its citizens detained in this country, the spokesman said.

The Egyptian ambassador, M. Nabil Fahmy, said he did not know why Egypt Air refused to cooperate.

"The Egyptian government is the ultimate owner of the airline, but does not manage it," Mr. Fahmy said. "The airline makes its own decisions."

He said he thought the advance screening was "a good procedure." Senators Edward M. Kennedy, Democrat of Massachusetts, and Sam Brownback, Republican of Kansas, are writing a bill that would tighten immigration controls to keep terrorists out of the United States. The bill would increase security on the nation's borders and would require airlines to participate in the Advance Passenger Information System.

Mr. Kennedy is chairman of the Judiciary Subcommittee on Immigration. Mr. Brownback is the senior Republican on the subcommittee.

Representative John L. Mica, Republican of Florida, also wants to require airlines to share their passenger lists with the United States government before their planes land here. Mr. Mica, the chairman of the House Transportation Subcommittee on Aviation, is proposing such a requirement in a bill on aviation safety.

When airlines participate in the screening program, they provide the Customs Service with information obtained from travelers checking in at foreign airports. The information generally includes the full name, date of birth, nationality and passport number for each passenger.

Before a plane's arrival in the United States, the information is checked against the combined federal law enforcement database, the Interagency Border Inspection System, which includes data from the Customs Service, the I.N.S., the F.B.I., the Secret Service and more than 15 other federal agencies.

Based on the results of those searches, "we select a few people who we want to reach out and touch," said Harold H. Zagar, chief inspector of the Customs Service at Dulles International Airport.


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1 posted on 10/18/2001 3:08:35 PM PDT by sarcasm
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To: sarcasm
They don't supply the passenger lists, they don't land in the US!
3 posted on 10/18/2001 3:16:11 PM PDT by teletech
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If they don't show us their passenger lists, then we don't allow them to fly in our airspace. It shouldn't be that big a deal, unless they really DON'T want us to know who's coming in.
4 posted on 10/18/2001 3:16:56 PM PDT by Texican72
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Perhaps if every plane from those two countries is left in an out of the way area while it is boarded by officials checking papers, v e r y s l o w ly the offending countries will get the message.
5 posted on 10/18/2001 3:26:02 PM PDT by OldFriend
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It sounds like the government has made it optional up to now and these two countries took the option of not providing it. I think it is time we start protecting American's at home over our overseas alleged allies. It is our mistake for not making it mandatory. Time to correct the policy and cut off access to America by those who won't cooperate with homeland security. Let's stop getting mad that people take us up on the options we allow. I get more angry at the constant compromising of our values and security because we're walking on eggshells to maintain our relationship with a country that does not support us.
6 posted on 10/18/2001 3:28:08 PM PDT by stilts
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To: sarcasm
So much for relying on arabs to protect our interests and economy.
7 posted on 10/18/2001 3:29:15 PM PDT by lavaroise
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To: sarcasm
Shame on them.
8 posted on 10/18/2001 3:30:38 PM PDT by danzaroni
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To: teletech
They don't supply the passenger lists, they don't land in the US!

Oh, we let them land, but we won't let them leave or unload the plane. Let the passengers decide. :)

9 posted on 10/18/2001 3:36:18 PM PDT by VA Advogado
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This is somewhat overblown. The information which is collected is provided by the traveler on a card he or she fills out and supposedly hands to the ticket agent.

The information is no better than that what the traveler provides, and I know for a fact that the traveler doesn't have to hand the card to the ticket agent to get on the plane.

This program may help, but not much.

10 posted on 10/18/2001 3:36:33 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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Don't offend the Saudi's! They have the right to send anyone they want here while we have to beg and scrape to visit there. Bin Laden very clearly defines the Arab view of the world i.e. I can go where I want and do whatever I please but no infidel may place a foot in any country where muslims are a majority. El-Jism or the all terrorism all the time network has the same welt anschau.
11 posted on 10/18/2001 3:36:56 PM PDT by Righty1
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"At this time," the spokesman said, "hundreds of Saudi citizens are being detained and questioned with regard to the hijackings. A lot of them are innocent people.

Let's see. Hundreds-minus-"a lot" equals ?

12 posted on 10/18/2001 3:39:07 PM PDT by San Jacinto
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To: teletech
Agreed. Title should be: "Egypt and Saudi Arabia Citizens Unable To Fly to U.S."
13 posted on 10/18/2001 3:39:35 PM PDT by TheDon
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I have read today that China has refused entry into the country any plane originating in a Middle Eastern country including Isreal and Pakistan. They have refused any person from these countries permission to stay when they arrive from another country. The very least we can do is deny these two airlines the right to disembark passengers in the U.S. TEXAS is in the home of the brave and the land of the free
14 posted on 10/18/2001 3:41:27 PM PDT by texas_jack_hurt
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What are they hiding?
Simply giving a list of names on their flights should be no problem.
15 posted on 10/18/2001 3:43:23 PM PDT by Jorge
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Actually, it would be a good thing to have NO Middle-Eastern airlines coming into the US, especially if piloted by Muslims. A repeat of last year's Egyptian Air crash except into a building can not be ruled out if there happen to be two suicide pilots in the cabin. No one would know until it was too late. Unfortunately, I don't expect any such ban would be enacted, but without it disaster may well repeat itself.
16 posted on 10/18/2001 3:44:06 PM PDT by CedarDave
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How long would it take to correct that crap?

Stroke of the pen, law of the land. Kind of neat, eh?

17 posted on 10/18/2001 3:47:28 PM PDT by GalvestonBeachcomber
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To: Jorge
Eqypt and Saudi Arabia and ANY COUNTRY that refuses to comply with this requirement - should be denied landing rights.

The only other option - is that ALL PASSENGERS are held until the requested information is provided and checked at U.S. Custom's leisure.

Who the hell do these bastards think they are - to deny this information in THIS environment?

Screw the silly bastards. Semper Fi

18 posted on 10/18/2001 3:49:21 PM PDT by river rat
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To: sarcasm
This one's easy. They don't get landing rights.
19 posted on 10/18/2001 3:49:24 PM PDT by bond7
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To: Dog Gone
Dog Gone it. Dog Gone is right on this one. Although it gets our ire up that our two "allies" once again prove they don't care about our laws, our safety or our people, in this particular instance, the law in question would do little to prevent terrorists from entering the country. There's only one law that would do that. Laws against visitors from suspect nations. As well as laws to expel such visitors already here. Anything less is purely cosmetic, designed to make us feel good, but not securing us in any substantive way.
20 posted on 10/18/2001 3:49:56 PM PDT by samtheman
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