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More Mascot Nonsense (my title)
USA Today College Hockey ^

Posted on 10/25/2001 9:33:30 AM PDT by wbill

Edited on 04/13/2004 1:38:29 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Officials at St. Cloud (Minn.) State want the University of North Dakota to leave its Fighting Sioux logo at home when its men's hockey team visits Nov. 2. "We don't tolerate hate speech," said Sudie Hofmann, associate professor and chairwoman of St. Cloud State's human relations and multicultural education department. Hofmann thinks the nickname and logo insult American Indians. But North Dakota has received no official request about the logo, athletic director Roger Thomas said Monday. The dispute isn't new. In March, St. Cloud President Roy Saigo submitted a resolution to the NCAA seeking elimination of all American Indian nicknames. Last year Ralph Engelstad, a Sioux hockey goalie about 50 years ago, threatened to pull a $100 million pledge to build a hockey arena. The state's higher education board voted unanimously to keep the nickname, saying it upholds the state's tradition and honors American Indians.


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Sad. Truly sad.

BTW, St Cloud's athletic director is Morris Kurtz and he can be EMailed at mkurtz@stcloudstate.edu The St Cloud Hockey web page is located at: http://www.stcloudstate.edu/~sports/hockey/hk.html

St. Cloud is pretty good this year...they stomped my favorite team (Maine) a couple of weeks ago. ND is one of the highest ranked teams in the country. Would be a shame to miss out on a great game because of a little PC BS.

1 posted on 10/25/2001 9:33:31 AM PDT by wbill
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To: wbill
Last year Ralph Engelstad, a Sioux hockey goalie about 50 years ago, threatened to pull a $100 million pledge to build a hockey arena. The state's higher education board voted unanimously to keep the nickname

Heh. Money talks, and something else walks.

2 posted on 10/25/2001 9:36:19 AM PDT by gumbo
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To: wbill
Change the name to the North Dakota Queers!~
3 posted on 10/25/2001 9:37:27 AM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: wbill
If St. Cloud does not wish to have NoDak at their arena, they can forfeit their games.
4 posted on 10/25/2001 9:37:31 AM PDT by gore_sux
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To: wbill
Did they also petition the Minnesota VIKINGS and the NFL to have their own hometown team change its name? Or is having a name after "white" people OK...
5 posted on 10/25/2001 9:40:49 AM PDT by GuillermoX
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To: wbill
We need a mascot for threads that have short stays in the breaking news column. Something with a short lifespan, but reproduces quickly and prolifically. I nominate the fruit fly.
6 posted on 10/25/2001 9:41:16 AM PDT by KillerWabbit
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To: wbill
I never understood this whole anti-"non-white" mascot thing. The point of a mascot is to be a source of pride and honor for the team. Generally they are strong or awe-inspiring objects/animals/people used to portray a powerful image to the opposition. How are they demeaning? San Diego Chicken aside.
7 posted on 10/25/2001 9:43:34 AM PDT by LoneGOPinCT
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To: wbill
In March, St. Cloud President Roy Saigo submitted a resolution to the NCAA seeking elimination of all American Indian nicknames

I dont think the Seminole Tribe of Florida is going to like this. They frequently meet and vote overwhelmingly to allow Florida State University to use their image as the mascot. It is a source of pride. I think the columnist/native american David Yeagley would agree.

8 posted on 10/25/2001 9:44:34 AM PDT by Paradox
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To: wbill
The nickname of the St. Cloud team is the "Huskies."

Did they get permission from the dogs to use their name? Don't they know how Huskies are abused? (sarcasm) Sounds like "hate speech" to me.

9 posted on 10/25/2001 9:44:38 AM PDT by 07055
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The state's higher education board voted unanimously to keep the nickname, saying it upholds the state's tradition and honors American Indians.

This is exactly why this issue is never really given any credence, outside of a few isolated cases. Sports teams are generally named after something fierce, tough and hard to defeat, although sometimes simply after something native to that area. This is exactly why so many schools historically used Indians as mascots. It definitely is honoring them. You dont choose a mascot name to make yourself look weak or to make fun of yourself or something else. Here in Tallahasseee, the "Seminole" name is actually BACKED by the Florida Seminole Tribe. There are about three or four Seminoles not affiliated with the tribe that protest here and there, but are generally ignored. The people that bitch about this do so because there is nothing else to bitch about at that time.

10 posted on 10/25/2001 9:47:05 AM PDT by FreeTally
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To: Paradox
See #10. You barely beat me to it.
11 posted on 10/25/2001 9:48:00 AM PDT by FreeTally
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To: 07055
This school, despite being ultra-politically correct, has almost no minority students on campus. According to their website, their student body is only 3.5% minority (560 out of 15,650 students).

http://www.gohusky.org/news_1_enroll_increased.htm

12 posted on 10/25/2001 9:50:50 AM PDT by 07055
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Don't forget the Fightin' Irish. There's a mascot the PC morons overlooked.
13 posted on 10/25/2001 9:51:48 AM PDT by Dakmar
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To: LoneGOPinCT
Right!

The Oregon DUCKS have never seemed particularly awe inspiring (Then again, their uniforms are a little weird.). Or the uni in my area - The Syracuse Orangemen??? Actually I think their logo used to have an American Indian in it; now it's a fuzzy orange with legs and a stupid little beenie.

We're becoming a country of wimps, by attrition.

prambo

14 posted on 10/25/2001 10:00:49 AM PDT by prambo
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To: KillerWabbit
Something with a short lifespan, but reproduces quickly and prolifically.

A wabbit comes to mind.

15 posted on 10/25/2001 10:03:17 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: LoneGOPinCT
Well said! I don't think I've ever heard of a university calling it's athletic teams the UCLA Judases, or the Miami Hitlers, or the Boston College Benedict Arnolds.

As you so accurately stated, mascot names are chosen to exemplify courage, prowess and pride.

16 posted on 10/25/2001 10:04:11 AM PDT by EODGUY
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To: LoneGOPinCT
San Diego Chicken aside.

What was the deal with the San Diego Chicken? How did they get a CHICKEN as a mascot. The only connection I can see is quite a stretch: Padre = Friar = Frier = Chicken.

17 posted on 10/25/2001 10:06:11 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: VRWCmember
How many times do I have to tell you.. it's duck season.
18 posted on 10/25/2001 10:07:08 AM PDT by KillerWabbit
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To: wbill
Hofmann thinks the nickname and logo insult American Indians.

Dear Miss Hofmann,

As an American Indian I must point out to you that unless you are one yourself you can only surmise the insult and I must suggest that your surmise is incorrect. I, on the other hand, am not so immature nor thin-skinned as self-appointed patricians such as yourself seem to believe.

From my perspective the real insult is the campaign by leftists to remove the image and name of the tribes from everything and every place in America. Unlike you, I am proud to be a citizen of this, the only nation founded on the ideals of the enlightenment [you have heard of the enlightenment at St. Cloud State haven't you?].

What is a much bigger insult to American Indians such as myself is that academe, in its unfettered racism, offers a plethora of scholarships to American Indians, but only to study soft subjects like "Native American [sic] Studies", Anthropology and Sociology. Apparently academicians believe that beyond selling cigarettes and running casinos we are only qualified to contemplate our own navels and should not bother to pursue Engineering or the Sciences.

Please do everyone a favor and keep your race-pity to yourself.

Sincerely,
CR
19 posted on 10/25/2001 10:08:33 AM PDT by Crusader Rabbit
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Though the players may not agree with this PC bullshit, I agree with making them forfeit the games. I am not sure as to the league affiliations out there, but they may be in the same league and it could affect the title. Then lets see the fireworks erupt after the forfeiting of games for such a stupid reason.
20 posted on 10/25/2001 10:09:56 AM PDT by Corporate Law
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