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Ballot Boxes Surface in Calif. Race
AP via Newsday ^ | November 17, 2001, 3:04 PM EST

Posted on 11/17/2001 12:10:52 PM PST by Jean S

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:49:34 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

COMPTON, Calif. -- A city clerk accused of helping rig the mayoral race brought 27 ballot boxes from June's hotly contested election to court, saying he had simply overlooked them earlier.

The sealed boxes delivered by City Clerk Charles Davis on Friday apparently contained unused ballots, but they were not immediately opened.

Superior Court Judge Judith Chirlin had ordered earlier this month that all ballots be handed over.

Davis told the court the boxes had been overlooked beneath stacks of other boxes from the April primary.


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1 posted on 11/17/2001 12:10:52 PM PST by Jean S
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To: JeanS
Democrat no doubt ?
2 posted on 11/17/2001 12:13:12 PM PST by mgc1122
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To: JeanS
Is Bradley a Republican?
3 posted on 11/17/2001 12:21:18 PM PST by WIMom
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To: WIMom
I wonder what "unused" ballots means.......does that mean "unused" as in "We didn't have to use these to win the election, but had them just in case we did?"
4 posted on 11/17/2001 12:23:53 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin
Unused as "The liberals didn't get a chance to 'review' the unused ballots prior to tabulation"?

The amount of voter fraud in this country is staggering. In Wisconsin there is a piece of good news. First, if there wasn't voter fraud, Bush would have won this state. Second, it looks as if we will have required voter ID's soon, just waiting on the senate vote. This better pass.

5 posted on 11/17/2001 12:29:11 PM PST by WIMom
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To: JeanS
How does one judge voter intent on an unused ballot.
6 posted on 11/17/2001 12:37:30 PM PST by aomagrat
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To: JeanS
COMPTON, Calif. -- A city clerk accused of helping rig the mayoral race brought 27 ballot boxes from June's hotly contested election to court, saying he had simply overlooked them earlier.

Perrodin's lawyer has argued there was no evidence of misconduct and that, even if there were, it wouldn't have changed the outcome.

The evidence of misconduct is the 27 missing ballot boxes. They really do think the people are dumb!

7 posted on 11/17/2001 12:38:54 PM PST by pray4liberty
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To: WIMom
Is Bradley a Republican?

I doubt that there is a Republican in Compton. Most mayoral races are officially non-partisan, and I'm sure neither of these men are Bush supporters.

To say that Compton is a rough part of Los Angeles would be an understatement.

8 posted on 11/17/2001 12:39:26 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: aomagrat
How does one judge voter intent on an unused ballot.

Good Point!
9 posted on 11/17/2001 12:40:09 PM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: JeanS
From an Illinois political observer:

Please do not make the naive mistake of assuming that these 27 ballot boxes have valid uncounted ballots in them!

Couldn't 1 person have "manufactured" these votes in their basement in their spare time?

10 posted on 11/17/2001 12:42:21 PM PST by Tom Pain
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To: aomagrat
How does one judge voter intent on an unused ballot.

Ask the Florida Supreme Court. I'm sure they have some guidelines. Something along the lines of "If it's unused, it's a vote for the Democrat candidate."

11 posted on 11/17/2001 12:43:11 PM PST by Allegra
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To: Allegra
I think the Florida Supremes standard is any ballot, used, unused, or marked for any party other than a democrat, is a vote for a democrat. They will just claim the voter didn't understand the ballot procedure and infer the intent was a vote for democrats. Here's a quote from a post regarding the re-re-re-re-count:

Asked directly if the newspapers kept track of how many chads flew off the ballots during their recount, Keating said, "No. That was not something that there was any effort to try to—because if there’s a chad falling, lying on the floor, you don’t know if it came out of the presidential race, or another race, I mean you can’t, you don’t know. You don’t know if it came out today or last week. You don’t know if it came out of a ballot we’re looking at, or a ballot we’re not looking at."

12 posted on 11/17/2001 12:53:55 PM PST by WIMom
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To: JeanS
As bad as this story is, in 10 years everything will be electronic. How is fraud going to be uncoverd then? At least here we have some paper ballots to look at.
13 posted on 11/17/2001 1:21:32 PM PST by Balding_Eagle
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To: WIMom
Since it's not mentioned in the article you can bet the bad guy in this is a democrat.
14 posted on 11/17/2001 1:24:49 PM PST by AD from SpringBay
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To: Balding_Eagle
Actually, electronic voting is far less susceptible to fraud as long as a few key safety features are followed. I used to work for the company that coded the electronic tabulation system used by the California Secretary of States office. I wasn't personally involved with the development, but I jokingly suggested to a couple of my more conservative friends who were members of the dev team that we could turn California into the most conservative state in the union with a few keystrokes, but they solidly set me straight. No less than FOUR seperate teams of coders from four seperate agencies (two government, two private) went over EVERY line of our company code before anything went live, just to verify that nothing "funny" was going on. This type of independent multiple redundancy not only ensured that there was no fraud involved with the software, but it also caught a couple of honest errors and typos in the code that could have potentially caused problems anyway. The only remaining potential point of fraud comes from the individual counties themselves, because the state has to trust them to deliver accurate counts of the local precincts. Once we get an electronic ballot system in place that can directly transmit the votes to the state system, even that point of fraud will be wiped out.
15 posted on 11/17/2001 1:44:02 PM PST by Arthalion
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To: Arthalion
"No less than FOUR seperate teams of coders from four seperate agencies (two government, two private) went over EVERY line of our company code before anything went live, just to verify that nothing "funny" was going on. "

Is that all?

And just what was the political persuasion of each group of checkers?

So they verified that there were no bad jokes or puns in the code. Did they check that it calculated correctly? In these days of 'clintonian word parsing' the above denial may be literally true and yet a total lie.

And then just how do we know for sure that the the man moving the ball beneath the three shells didn't palm this wonderfully accurate code and submit the corrupted code in its place.

16 posted on 11/17/2001 1:59:00 PM PST by nm_james
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To: AD from SpringBay
In California, local elections, city and county, are non-partisan. Omar Bradley is a Democrat. Compton was a white working class city just south of LA that turned black, and in recent years is turning Hispanic. The blacks were in control for years, and Bradley was the major. The guy is a real trouble maker who loves to play the race card. Kind of had a bit of a dictatorship in Compton until this guy came along and beat him. I believe his claims of voter fraud are pure BS.
17 posted on 11/17/2001 2:25:49 PM PST by CdMGuy
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To: nm_james
Part of the process of programming is verifying the code and the calculations are correct. I do it all the time with my code. In most cases of programming the two are interlinked, the calculations have to be written correctly because those calculations are used within the code itself. In other words, if the calculations are wrong, the code will have bugs in it.
18 posted on 11/17/2001 2:48:53 PM PST by WIMom
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To: Arthalion
Once we get an electronic ballot system in place that can directly transmit the votes to the state system, even that point of fraud will be wiped out.

Don't underestimate the Democrats. They'll find a way.

19 posted on 11/17/2001 3:33:13 PM PST by lowbridge
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To: JeanS
This city has been corrupt since just about it's founding and was populated at that time by a lot of people from the dust bowl. Originally this was a farming community and if I remember correctly in the early days it was the mayor who ran off with the city treasury.

The schools were taken over by the state for a long time. The New Times LA (Jill Stewart) did a fantastic story on the schools and the corruption related to them. Also Larry Elder had one of the members of the school board on his show who got to the point. He named names and gave lots of detailed information. Larry made a big stink about it but the powers that be wanted the problem to just go away so it did. Not the problems you understand just the coverage by the lamestream media.

20 posted on 11/17/2001 5:06:00 PM PST by airedale
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