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PARENTS, ASK YOU COLLEGE KIDS HOME FOR THE HOLIDAYS HOW MANY AMERICAN PROFESSORS THEY HAVE
My Neice and Nephew | 12-25-01 | SELF

Posted on 12/25/2001 3:41:22 AM PST by Yellow Rose of Texas

We celebrated Christmas early this year so I have had a lot of time to spend with a niece and nephew who attend College. My Niece attends Brown University in Rhode Island, a freshman this year and my nephew is a Junior at Colorado School of Mines.

The subject of the nationalities of their professors came up after my nephew mentioned that he had dropped several classes he needed for his degree as he could not understand the professor, as the professor was not American born or raised but Chinese, and still a Chinese citizen.

This came as a shock to my brother and his wife as they fork out mega bucks for these schools and the advanced education they offer. After my nephew mentioned this lack of American born professors in this subject my brother started asking how many non-English professors my nephew had as teachers in any classes. Now remember he is a second semester Junior. My nephew replied, none, not one American born professor to date.

My brother than asked my niece a second semester Freshman. Her reply was the same, not one American born professor had taught one class my niece had attended, nor was preregistered for this coming semester.

My reply was no wonder all the Foreigners get the good jobs in the Computer industry, engineering, and at our secret labs. Only the foreign students can understand the professors.

To all of you with your kids home from College right now, ask them how many American BORN Professors do they have in the sciences, mathematics, the advanced level classes and how much harder it is for them to understand what is being said in class than it is for the foreign students from China, India, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, Kuwait, etc.


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Please ask your college kids who their professors are, what nationality, not to be raciest, but to see why our better paying jobs are going to immigrants.
1 posted on 12/25/2001 3:41:22 AM PST by Yellow Rose of Texas
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To: Razorback-bert;amom;Chapita;frogmom;alamo-girl;68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Any one have any thoughts on this, am I imagining things or are our Universities being run by non-Americans?
2 posted on 12/25/2001 3:44:55 AM PST by Yellow Rose of Texas
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To: Yellow Rose of Texas
I graduated college in 95, I say it was about 50-50. I don't think it has anything to do with them choosing Americans over non-americans. Professors come from grad schools, and the simple fact is that in mathematics and engineering the ranks of the schools are filled with non-americans. Besides, I never really thought of professors as well paid. Perhaps they are when they are 65, but under 40 they live like students.
3 posted on 12/25/2001 3:45:02 AM PST by Rodney King
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To: Yellow Rose of Texas
Teaching positions at universities are not handed out like candy - like in any free-market economy they go to people who do their best to enhance the reputation and scholarship of the school. The reality is that many of those jobs go to foreigners because theren't aren't any native-born Americans who have requisite skill and scholastic credentials.

In physics for example, we simply aren't turning out a lot of native-born PhDs - native-born people, for the most part, don't go into physics here. It's these PhDs which become the next generation of university faculty.

4 posted on 12/25/2001 3:48:25 AM PST by garbanzo
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To: Yellow Rose of Texas
I graduated in 1983 with a degree in mechanical engineering and had a few foreign professors. Although, there were many Chinese students, all nice people and very studious. But, this brings back memories of my professor for Heat Transfer. He used to say "sh*t transfer". It always cracked me up. I had a very hard time understanding him.

Candi

5 posted on 12/25/2001 3:53:26 AM PST by cantfindagoodscreenname
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To: garbanzo
In physics for example, we simply aren't turning out a lot of native-born PhDs - native-born people, for the most part, don't go into physics here. It's these PhDs which become the next generation of university faculty.

Why not, is it that the American born can not understand the teachers and therefor find it to difficult and drop out?

6 posted on 12/25/2001 4:01:57 AM PST by Yellow Rose of Texas
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To: Yellow Rose of Texas
This came as a shock to my brother and his wife as they fork out mega bucks for these schools and the advanced education they offer. After my nephew mentioned this lack of American born professors in this subject my brother started asking how many non-English professors my nephew had as teachers in any classes. Now remember he is a second semester Junior. My nephew replied, none, not one American born professor to date.

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What a scam these .edu are running. Pay big bucks and your kid can't even understand his professor's English? AND NO ONE REALLY SQWAKS OUT LOUD BECASUE THIS WOULD NOT BE PC. WOULD NOT BE CULTURALLY SENSITIVE. These cheap jack colleges could easily run classes to help improve these foriegn "prof's" English communication skills.

Los Alamos looks the same with Chinese nationals and Pakistani nationals doing sensitive resaerch.

7 posted on 12/25/2001 4:02:12 AM PST by dennisw
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To: Yellow Rose of Texas
" but to see why our better paying jobs are going to immigrants."

Better paying jobs? Both my wife and I have one of these "better paying" jobs and I can only say "yeah, sure."

Some of the best teachers I've had have been foreign born. Same goes for physicians.

8 posted on 12/25/2001 4:03:14 AM PST by billorites
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To: Yellow Rose of Texas
My professors in the early 70's were a mixed bag but I wouldn't complain. They brought information into the classroom their snooty-tweedy WASP counterparts just didn't have.
9 posted on 12/25/2001 4:08:41 AM PST by Glenn
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To: Yellow Rose of Texas
Not really - not a lot even go into the field as undergrad because the industry jobs are scarce and the competition for the academic positions is keen and typically low-paying. Bright students typically go into bioscience or computer science or electrical engineering which is in high demand with good pay.
10 posted on 12/25/2001 4:09:46 AM PST by garbanzo
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To: Yellow Rose of Texas
Back in the mid 1980's I returned to Northeastern University night school to take graduate courses in civil engineering. A lot of students were Iranian. I had one Chinese professor who was very hard to understand. I also had one Isreali professor who was arrogant as Hell, the worst in my entire education. I dread to see the halls of the University today.

The Iranian students were an odd lot. They did not mingle with others. They studied in one block as a unit, I saw no individual effort on their part. They cheated their way through exams. I latter worked for a firm who hired an Iranian. He was sociable but usless as an engineer.

11 posted on 12/25/2001 4:11:12 AM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: Yellow Rose of Texas
I attended college in Mississippi some ten years ago. I had two courses in algebra. My first algebra teacher was African. She could barely be understood, and finally just started writing her answers to questions on the board.

My second algebra teacher was from China. We had much the same problem with her.

12 posted on 12/25/2001 4:21:20 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: Yellow Rose of Texas
Her reply was the same, not one American born professor had taught one class my niece had attended, nor was preregistered for this coming semester

The reason is that US citizens can get good jobs in the private sector that pay much, much more money.

I know a PhD from India whose specialty Electrical and Nuclear engineering. In India he would be working on the bomb, but here he's teaching electrical engineering at a small college. Why? they sponsored him for a green card.

Similarly, many foreign docs in the US specialize for years (as long as they train, they keep a student card). Then they practice in areas without a lot of doctors. That's how my husband got his green card, and many of my friends.

As for "American professors": Remember, many of them DO become citizens. But when they study, they have a student visa. After they graduate, they get a green card, and then they have to wait years to become a citizen. (It used to be eight years, but I don't know the law how).

13 posted on 12/25/2001 4:21:33 AM PST by LadyDoc
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To: Yellow Rose of Texas
As a returning college student I'll answer your question: because they work harder and appreciate the opportunity that they are afforded here. America was built on the strength and vitality of immigrants. This country wouldn't be where it is today without the tired, huddled masses who yearned for a better life, struggled to make it to our shores and suceeded as a result of their tireless efforts.

My only foreign instructor, my calculus professor, this past semester was a native of India and in addition to teaching three sections he worked part time at the cafeteria to make ends meet. How many sons and daughters of America - those born and raised in affluence and in many cases effluvia - would be willing to do that?

14 posted on 12/25/2001 4:22:34 AM PST by SBeck
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To: Yellow Rose of Texas
Why don't American kids go for physics and math? You don't just jump into rigorous college subjects like these, out of high school diversity training and History of the Tutu's and Women's Struggle for the Franchise in the US. And other PC crap. Our next generation is being pitched onto the scrap heap of history by PC and the teacher's unions. Like Pat says, Western Civilization is being phased out. With it, I'm afraid, will go the freedoms and toleration of the culture that led to it all. Talk about killing the goose...
15 posted on 12/25/2001 4:25:19 AM PST by zebra 2
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To: Yellow Rose of Texas
"Why not, is it that the American born can not understand the teachers and therefor find it to difficult and drop out?

All American raised people who can do well in physics usually choose to become lawyers, investment bankers and doctors. You know, physcs is a very demanding field with a very low rewards.

16 posted on 12/25/2001 4:26:02 AM PST by alex
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To: Yellow Rose of Texas
I had a Chinese Trig. instructor I could not understand in the 70s. But the Scottish Statistics professor was superb.
17 posted on 12/25/2001 4:29:16 AM PST by wattsmag2
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To: Yellow Rose of Texas
I graduated in '98 with an electrical engineering degree. I had a few foreign profs that were hard to understand--one right off the boat from China and one from Poland.

The 'problem' with foreigners taking high tech jobs is that native-born kids don't migrate into the sciences. Many are called by the lure of stable, high-paying jobs, but few make it through, and there are numerous reasons for it. One of the biggest ones is that they weren't properly prepared in high school. Science isn't one of those disciplines where '2 + 2 = 5 if you feel good about it' is going to cut it. My Physics I class was held in an auditorium classroom, whereas Physics III was held in a normal sized classroom (an "intimate" setting compared to Physics I).

Another reason, IMO, is that native born kids don't have the persistence it takes to work through a difficult college program. I saw a lot of kids drop out of science programs because they 'didn't have time' to pursue such a difficult subject (translation: college is supposed to be fun and I'm not having any). Meanwhile, I was working full-time to support myself while I went through school.

18 posted on 12/25/2001 4:30:16 AM PST by randog
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To: Yellow Rose of Texas
"lease ask your college kids who their professors are, what nationality, not to be raciest, but to see why our better paying jobs are going to immigrants."

Did you see many American born people picking tomatos in say California ? I doubt that there are any. Class room teaching is somewhat similar to picking tomatos: pay is low, work is bitch and requirements are high. No doubt that it is filled with the most disadvantaged of the most disadvantaged of our educated elite and hence there is no surprise that it is 100% filled with immigrants (in most cases who even do no have greencards yet) - everybody else can find a better job.

So, you can sleep well for a while: these jobs are extremely low paying ones and our universities are in a firm grip of rich white liberals, all of whom speak perfect English and they simply use educational coolies, because as true liberals they do not like to do anything which even remotely looks like a work.

It may change someday, however, it there is looooong loooon way there.

19 posted on 12/25/2001 4:38:09 AM PST by alex
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To: Yellow Rose of Texas
Let's see, one semester at Indiana University I had Jwadeh (a refugee Christian from Iraq), Benes (a refugee anti-communist from Czechoslovakia), and another gentleman, now at American University (Ilya Harik), from Lebanon, a "democrat" whose views weren't particularly welcome "back home".

Altogether I only had 4 professors that semester and one of them was a wardhealer for the Democrats. That meant I had three Jeffersonians and 1 totalitarian.

Not bad as professors go.

The point is that many of the foreign professors have always had motives other than their field of study to be here. Your typical American professor these days is more like that wardhealer I had so many years ago.

20 posted on 12/25/2001 4:41:59 AM PST by muawiyah
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