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I'm more likely to believe that there was NO certificate number to begin with for Obama (sloppy record keeping), and the state "created" one for him (by his request, or his mother/grandmother) to make everything official.

A question to ask then would be this: do you think the number they used on 0bamas certificate was reused (stolen) from another birth or was unused and available at right around the time 0bama 'needed to be born'. That just does not seem highly likely.

If there was a conspiracy it more likely was perpetrated by the mother or grandmother back in 1961 to confer US citizenship for reasons other than a possible run for the white house. This type of conspiracy would involve less participants and be a simpler solution to the question.

I'm more likely to believe that there was NO certificate number to begin with for Obama (sloppy record keeping), and the state "created" one for him (by his request, or his mother/grandmother) to make everything official.

A question to ask then would be this: do you think the number they used on 0bamas certificate was reused (stolen) from another birth or was unused and available at right around the time 0bama 'needed to be born'. That just does not seem highly likely.

If there was a conspiracy it more likely was perpetrated by the mother or grandmother back in 1961 to confer US citizenship for reasons other than a possible run for the white house. This type of conspiracy would involve less participants and be a simpler solution to the question.

It is a good thing to question everything. Including the certificate numbers. But is also a good thing to throw away questions and possible answers that do not make good sense or are unlikely.

Look at the newspaper announcements. The missing 'twins' announcement is assumed to be replaced on microfilm with 0bamas announcement. This is not likely. The 'twins' parents may have opted out of an announcement. The most simple explanation is usually the best. But if I were to see real evidence of tampered with microfilm then the simplest explanation would be some sort of fraud.

The fact that the the certificate shown for 0bama has a sequence number close to that of the twins tells me the paperwork was filed near his birth date. But that does not mean there was not fraud involved in the paperwork. Based on multiple types of filing in HI there is certainly room for deception to confer US citizenship on a child if a parent or guardian wanted to.

The certificate number is not likely to be a sequence of birth number. It is most likely a sequence of health department form processing. If the number was based on a birth sequence then the health department would have to hold up issuing other birth certificates while waiting for forms that they wouldn’t even know existed. That does not make any sense at all. The order that the forms were received at the health department would be the order of sequencing for the certificate numbers.

The sequential integrity issue may not be an issue. The birth certificate number may very well depend on when the form was completed and turned in. When my daughter was born it took us 2 days to decide on a name. So we may not have had our form turned in until 2 days after other parents whose children were born a day or two after our daughter.

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"It comes from the first instance in not making those tax cuts for rich people like us permanent."

So her answer for rebuilding New Orleans is: if enough of the "rich people like us" die and the gov't grabs half their money? OK, but only if she goes first!