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Posts by DanielLongo

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  • U.S. Government Lends $105M to Brazil—to Build Aquarium

    12/07/2012 7:08:10 PM PST · 12 of 19
    DanielLongo to opentalk
    Hey...I want my Obama aquarium!
  • U.S. Government Lends $105M to Brazil—to Build Aquarium

    12/07/2012 7:08:01 PM PST · 11 of 19
    DanielLongo to opentalk
    Hey...I want my Obama aquarium!
  • US Closes 2010 With $14,025,215,218,708 And 52 Cents In Debt

    01/03/2011 8:05:38 PM PST · 18 of 22
    DanielLongo to tet68

    I think you meant $40,000 each. I guess I’ll have to kick in for my kids and my wife, so “our” bill is only $240,000. Not sure I can swing that one.

  • Caption Barry and Biden

    01/14/2010 8:58:57 AM PST · 27 of 42
    DanielLongo to Zuben Elgenubi

    That was the best.

  • Together Forever: Mormon LDS Beliefs Families Forever Ecumenical

    08/25/2008 8:57:18 PM PDT · 29 of 50
    DanielLongo to greyfoxx39
    And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment

    You call them wedding "witness". Most people and the Bible call them wedding "guest". They are synonymous.

    On to your question about exclusion: As the scripture points out there were some that were not "worthy". You say that family members are forbidden. That is not true. They must, however, conform to the wishes of the Lord as to worthiness. Certainly someone who is antagonistic toward His Church and His People would not be welcome in His House. He would rather have such a person "bound hand and foot" and cast out. The remedy for this, of course, as the Gospel outlines is for that person to repent and submit their will to the Lord. Instead of fashioning a god from their own understanding, they must do the will of the Father and the Son. In so doing they will be both worthy and welcome. The person who vaunts himself/herself before the Lord will never come into His presence- no matter what the circumstances. Not in this life or the next.

  • Together Forever: Mormon LDS Beliefs Families Forever Ecumenical

    08/25/2008 9:28:11 AM PDT · 25 of 50
    DanielLongo to greyfoxx39; Religion Moderator
    Do you believe that as long as the LDS refuse to allow immediate family members to attend the weddings of their parents, children, brothers, sisters, nieces, nephews, best friends unless those family members are considered "worthy" by adhering to this set of rules that allows a "temple recommend" or ticket of admittance, they are honoring families?:

    Here is what the scriptures have to say about that.

    Matthew 22

    8 Then saith he to his servants,

    The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.

    9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.

    10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.

    11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:

    12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.

    13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

  • Life On Gold Plates - (LDS) Open

    08/18/2008 7:09:36 AM PDT · 226 of 503
    DanielLongo to Colofornian
    The scriptures are plain and precious. Leave it to an Evangelical to take a whole page of philosophical wandering to explain one verse of the Bible. LOL. And still get it wrong! LOL LOL.
  • Life On Gold Plates - (LDS) Open

    08/18/2008 7:07:50 AM PDT · 225 of 503
    DanielLongo to Elsie
    When would be a good time for a couple of our highly trained young folk to stop by your home to help you understand the error of your ways?

    The sooner the better.

  • Life On Gold Plates - (LDS) Open

    08/18/2008 7:05:43 AM PDT · 224 of 503
    DanielLongo to ejonesie22
    First of all, the Church does not claim this culture as its culture. It is the culture and people of the Book of Mormon. However, I personally may claim it as part of my culture, since my great grandmother was of a HaplogroupX tribe.

    Your links go to prove my point further. To wit:

    Thus far, haplogroup X has not been detected in numerous Asian/ Siberian populations analyzed by high-resolution restriction analysis or CR sequencing (table 3). Three (2.9%) of 103 Mongolians harbored both the 16223T and 16278T mutations, but they also contained the 110394 DdeI and 110397 AluI markers (Kolman et al. 1996), placing them in Asian superhaplogroup M (Ballinger et al. 1992) and excluding them from haplogroup X.

    If you don't understand what this publication is saying, let me educate you in the most non-"erudite" manner I can.

    The markers of what appeared to be HaplogroupX found in Mongolia among the Altains were actually introduced into the genetic pool during the time of the Khan. The mitochondrial markers are from the Slavic and Eastern European Caucasus regions. They do not bear the markers of the HaplogroupX found in America and the Near East and certainly not at the same frequency. This non-matching HaplogroupX is found at a rate of about 3% among the Altains alone (no other Asian population has it), while the matching HaplogroupX with matching subset 2 (as it varies from the European HaplogroupX subset 1) is found at a frequency of 26% among the present-day inhabitants of the region encompassing Israel.

  • Life On Gold Plates - (LDS) Open

    08/18/2008 6:44:11 AM PDT · 222 of 503
    DanielLongo to Elsie
    We have been over this before. So here is your question (again):

    What of the multiple wives of Moses, Abraham, Jacob, Gideon and so forth?

  • Life On Gold Plates - (LDS) Open

    08/17/2008 5:57:24 PM PDT · 179 of 503
    DanielLongo to Colofornian
    If your assumption of which scripture he cited is correct and your assumption of what it means is also correct, then why would Jesus use that scripture to defend Himself? If it refers to “unjust gods”, then Jesus would be calling himself and unjust god. That makes no sense. I think your explanation is wrong.
  • Life On Gold Plates - (LDS) Open

    08/17/2008 4:37:25 PM PDT · 168 of 503
    DanielLongo to Colofornian
    Your question is best put to Christ. It is His quote, not mine. The meaning of His words is clear:

    If a man be called a god by God, what is your problem. We can become gods is exactly what the Psalmist is saying. We do not become God, unless you believe in the Trinity because it says:

    John 17 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

    Your teaching of the Trinity is that Jesus and Heavenly Father are the same being because the scriptures say Jesus is one with the Father. Following that line of thinking, then we are also to be part of the Trinity. By your own theology we are not just gods, but God. Of course, this can only be true if you believe the concept of the Trinity, which I might add is mentioned nowhere in the scriptures

  • Life On Gold Plates - (LDS) Open

    08/17/2008 4:27:21 PM PDT · 165 of 503
    DanielLongo to Osage Orange
    Jesus said he was the Light and Life of the world.

    They opposed Him then, too.

  • Life On Gold Plates - (LDS) Open

    08/17/2008 4:23:54 PM PDT · 164 of 503
    DanielLongo to ejonesie22
    So professor, explain HaplogroupX to us then. That is solid DNA evidence of a people, the Hopewell Indians, who covered North America from present-day New York in the East to the Great Plains in the West, the Upper Great Lakes region in the North, down to the panhandle of Florida in the South. This haplogroup is found in Europe, not Asia. The distinct subset of this particular founding haplogroup (meaning that it originated on the North American continent around 600 B.C.) can only be found in one other place in the world- the region encompassing present day Israel. Might I add, the archealogical evidence, such as the Hopewell temples, which have been found and surveyed by the Army Corps of Engineers, are constructed after the manner of the ancient tabernacle and the pattern of Solomon's temple, complete with the outer courtyards. These temples are described in the Book of Mormon and are exactly where the Prophet Joseph Smith said they would be.

    Moreover, if you know anything about the people in the Book of Mormon, the descendants of those inhabitants are referred to as the Lamanites. In the Doctrine and Covenants, Joseph Smith called several bretheren to take the Gospel to the Lamanites, as had been promised them in the scriptures. Every tribe he sent missionaries to is a member of HaplogroupX. That is not coincidence. You might also take note, based on your previous assumptions as to where the Church or the Prophet thought the Lamanites lived, that he never sent anyone to preach to the "Lamanites in Central America" He does not even mention Central and South America. For years anti Mormons have propped up academics who are also members of the Church and their belief that Central America was the setting for the Book of Mormon. The only fruit of their quest to make it so has been to divorce themselves from the Prophet Joseph.

    He never said anything about Central America, which has been more of Church culture, since no Prophet of the Restoration has said that is where it was. In fact, as late as 2 years ago, the late Gordon B. Hinckley (Prophet of the Lord's Church) said the evidence had not come forth yet. It was in a discussion with a German reporter who thought to score some points when, at that time, DNA evidence showed no link between the indigenous lines of Central and South America with the Near East. All of the Church critics were quick to seize on this as a "nail in the coffin" to Mormonism. Little did they know that just two years later a confirming witness would come forth, not just showing a "European" DNA haplogroup- in which researchers would include the Near East, but strikingly confirming its link to Israel specifically, which is where the Book of Mormon says they came from.

    I will continue when you have done more research. I won't spoon feed you the rest. Let me know if you have any questions on what you find.

  • Your Patriarchal Blessing (LDS - OPEN THREAD)

    08/17/2008 3:59:21 PM PDT · 16 of 16
    DanielLongo to nesnah

    No, it is usually where someone suggests remedial English classes.

  • Your Patriarchal Blessing (LDS - OPEN THREAD)

    08/17/2008 3:56:49 PM PDT · 15 of 16
    DanielLongo to greyfoxx39
    I believe it was given as:

    Be fruitful and multiply

    Eph. 5: 22, 24-25, 28

    22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

    • • • 24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

    • • • 28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

    Col. 3: 18-19

    18 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.

    19 Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them.

    1 Pet. 3: 1

    1 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;

    Does the Spirit strive long with those who mock the Lord?

  • Life On Gold Plates - (LDS) Open

    08/17/2008 3:42:32 PM PDT · 152 of 503
    DanielLongo to ejonesie22

    The Varsity team showed up? Sweet.

  • Life On Gold Plates - (LDS) Open

    08/17/2008 3:38:42 PM PDT · 150 of 503
    DanielLongo to greyfoxx39

    My point made perfectly. Thank you for supplying the link.

  • Life On Gold Plates - (LDS) Open

    08/17/2008 3:24:13 PM PDT · 145 of 503
    DanielLongo to svcw

    What are you talking about? Is this the part where you go incoherent?

  • Life On Gold Plates - (LDS) Open

    08/17/2008 3:22:29 PM PDT · 144 of 503
    DanielLongo to greyfoxx39
    Thoughtful opposition will always be met with civility and discourse. The brand of “liars and bigots” found on FR will also be dealt with accordingly.
  • Life On Gold Plates - (LDS) Open

    08/17/2008 3:19:43 PM PDT · 143 of 503
    DanielLongo to svcw
    John 10

    32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

    33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

    34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

    So, you can put down that stone. Unless you want more scriptures?

  • Life On Gold Plates - (LDS) Open

    08/17/2008 3:16:16 PM PDT · 141 of 503
    DanielLongo to Zakeet
    I'm happy to take these one at a time to show where you have misquoted and quoted correctly and gotten it completely wrong.

    First:

    And the angel of God said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth. And it came to pass that I looked and beheld the whore of all the earth, and she sat upon many waters; and she had dominion over all the earth, among all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people. – Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 14:10-11

    How is this an attack on Christianity? Do you confuse a particular church with "Christianity"? If so, what church do you believe is "Christianity"?

  • Life On Gold Plates - (LDS) Open

    08/17/2008 3:07:29 PM PDT · 138 of 503
    DanielLongo to greyfoxx39

    Yes, he is saying that those called to leadership positions in the Church and members at large should be ready to respond to the questions of apostates (as we would with a total stranger) rather than be insecure about doing so merely because they are “apostate”. I see nothing wrong with this thinking and I am sure the Church leadership would not either. I still fail to see whatever point it is you are trying to draw from this article. I think you are reaching for something that isn’t there. Typical.

  • Life On Gold Plates - (LDS) Open

    08/17/2008 3:02:41 PM PDT · 135 of 503
    DanielLongo to svcw

    Then you are not a Christian after all? What is your particular belief?

  • Life On Gold Plates - (LDS) Open

    08/17/2008 3:01:35 PM PDT · 134 of 503
    DanielLongo to svcw
    We may have common ground here. I have always supported the Gospel of Christianity. I have also aggressively defended it against professed Christians. I think this is what you are saying.
  • Life On Gold Plates - (LDS) Open

    08/17/2008 2:58:42 PM PDT · 133 of 503
    DanielLongo to Zakeet
    How do either of those comments constitute expressing glee?

    I supposed I lumped you in with the rest of the familiar anti Mormon crowd posting on this thread. If I have done so in error, then that comment was certainly misdirected.

  • Life On Gold Plates - (LDS) Open

    08/17/2008 2:57:15 PM PDT · 130 of 503
    DanielLongo to Zakeet
    ... and Dr. Bushman's opinions carry a lot of weight!

    If you are an academic, I suppose it does. I am not an academic, and although I have found many of his speeches and writings insightful, they do not shape my relationship with Jesus Christ or my testimony of the prophetic mission of Joseph Smith. This excerpt has been forwarded as something of Church authority. He is NO Church authority and to his credit does not claim to be. He is a man with an opinion. You guys have determined it carries a lot of weight with you. If so, you should give heed to the rest of his testimony.

  • Life On Gold Plates - (LDS) Open

    08/17/2008 2:51:33 PM PDT · 128 of 503
    DanielLongo to greyfoxx39

    ...because you bring up the same unfounded, lame comments again and again.

  • Life On Gold Plates - (LDS) Open

    08/17/2008 2:50:14 PM PDT · 126 of 503
    DanielLongo to greyfoxx39

    What are you talking about? You are making no sense.

  • Life On Gold Plates - (LDS) Open

    08/17/2008 2:48:03 PM PDT · 122 of 503
    DanielLongo to svcw
    No, like HaplogroupX and the Hopewell Indians. Are you on a respirator?
  • Life On Gold Plates - (LDS) Open

    08/17/2008 2:45:38 PM PDT · 119 of 503
    DanielLongo to svcw
    Ldsers have never bashed Christians - oh way funny

    Those of us from Missouri like to say, "show me".

    Show me.

  • Life On Gold Plates - (LDS) Open

    08/17/2008 2:42:32 PM PDT · 116 of 503
    DanielLongo to greyfoxx39
    This is actually a really good hymn to cite relative to the article this post is base on. It was written by WW Phelps who had become disaffected from the Prophet and the Church later to return. His sentiments, shared by many, are the result of his abiding love for the man and his testimony of the truthfulness of the work the Lord did through him.

    A tender story from Church history illustrates the power of a forgiving heart. William W. Phelps joined the Church during the Kirtland era and became a devoted follower of the Prophet Joseph Smith. He was called to be a member of the stake presidency in Jackson County, Missouri. Later, as a result of some financial improprieties and an unrepentant heart, Brother Phelps left the Church. He became bitter and declared himself an enemy to the Prophet. His defection occurred during a time of intense persecution when the Prophet, along with many of the leading brethren, had been arrested and placed under military guard following the “extermination order” of Governor Lilburn W. Boggs of Missouri.

    The Prophet’s life hung literally in the balance. In the midst of such turmoil, William W. Phelps came forth to serve as a state witness against the Prophet. Compounding his betrayal, Phelps also signed a certificate defending the actions of one of the Saints’ worst enemies.

    As a result of such testimony from Phelps and others like him, the Prophet and several of the brethren were incarcerated in a series of Missouri prisons, including Liberty Jail, until April 1839, when they escaped and fled to Illinois. We can perhaps imagine the bitter disappointment the Prophet endured during the months of his imprisonment as he contemplated the betrayal of brethren he had loved and trusted.

    Two years later, after great anguish and bitter remorse for his actions, Brother Phelps sent the Prophet a heartfelt letter that began:

    “Brother Joseph, … I am as the prodigal son. … I have seen the folly of my way, and I tremble at the gulf I have passed.” He begged the forgiveness of the brethren and asked that even with severe chastisement he might return to them. 4

    The Prophet’s almost immediate reply stands today as a worthy example of the power of forgiveness and of the great heart of the man Joseph Smith:

    “Dear Brother Phelps: …

    “You may in some measure realize what my feelings, as well as Elder Rigdon’s and Brother Hyrum’s were, when we read your letter—truly our hearts were melted into tenderness and compassion when we ascertained your resolves. …

    “It is true, that we have suffered much in consequence of your behavior—the cup of gall, already full enough for mortals to drink, was indeed filled to overflowing when you turned against us. …

    “However, the cup has been drunk, the will of our Father has been done, and we are yet alive, for which we thank the Lord. And having been delivered from the hands of wicked men by the mercy of our God, we say it is your privilege to be delivered from the powers of the adversary, be brought into the liberty of God’s dear children, and again take your stand among the Saints of the Most High, and by diligence, humility, and love unfeigned, commend yourself to our God, and your God, and to the Church of Jesus Christ.

    “Believing your confession to be real, and your repentance genuine, I shall be happy once again to give you the right hand of fellowship, and rejoice over the returning prodigal. …

    ‘Come on, dear brother, since the war is past,

    ‘For friends at first, are friends again at last.’

    “Yours as ever,

    “Joseph Smith, Jun.” 5

  • Life On Gold Plates - (LDS) Open

    08/17/2008 2:34:26 PM PDT · 111 of 503
    DanielLongo to greyfoxx39
    Ok (sigh) what problem do you have with this hymn specifically. I already know how you feel about it. Anything scripturally in error to your eyes?
  • Life On Gold Plates - (LDS) Open

    08/17/2008 2:32:37 PM PDT · 109 of 503
    DanielLongo to ejonesie22

    I assume you have some evidence to refute this research?

  • Life On Gold Plates - (LDS) Open

    08/17/2008 2:30:38 PM PDT · 107 of 503
    DanielLongo to Elsie
    Are you saying you belong to the church of the devil? That could explain alot.
  • Life On Gold Plates - (LDS) Open

    08/17/2008 2:29:26 PM PDT · 106 of 503
    DanielLongo to svcw

    My Savior and Redeemer. The very Son of the Living God.

  • Life On Gold Plates - (LDS) Open

    08/17/2008 2:28:22 PM PDT · 105 of 503
    DanielLongo to svcw

    I just cited two Evangelical pamphlets targeting “Mormonism”. It’s now your turn to produce materials from the Church that target your church or any other church.
    The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is the standard of Christianity. It has never spoken against Christianity. How absurd.

  • Life On Gold Plates - (LDS) Open

    08/17/2008 2:25:34 PM PDT · 102 of 503
    DanielLongo to Elsie
    I said "accusation". Who was "accused"? What was "accused"?

    Did you have lunch yet?

  • Life On Gold Plates - (LDS) Open

    08/17/2008 2:23:11 PM PDT · 100 of 503
    DanielLongo to Elsie
    To those who have been paid for it! You do nothing more than regurgitate the half truths and outright lies of all the pamphlets you receive. There is nothing insightful to any of your posts.
  • Life On Gold Plates - (LDS) Open

    08/17/2008 2:20:46 PM PDT · 99 of 503
    DanielLongo to ejonesie22
    I just did. Look it up. There is DNA evidence as well as archaeological evidence, respectively. I'm not going to fill a blog with research papers. If you are too lazy to look it up yourself, I can't help you. There is too much material for three line snipes. You asked. I have told you. The rest is up to you. Now, after having explored it (or while exploring it) ask any question you like. I can't have a conversation with someone who knows nothing of the topics.
  • Life On Gold Plates - (LDS) Open

    08/17/2008 2:14:11 PM PDT · 94 of 503
    DanielLongo to greyfoxx39
    For someone to preach for money is called priestcraft by the Gospel writers. Funny you didn't address that point.

    Ever read the pamphlet intitled "The Menace of Mormonism"? On the back it said "Printed by the Sunday School Board of the Southern Baptist Convention". It was distributed by preachers of Baptist churches that were affiliated with the Southern Baptist Convention.

    Then another one I remembers was called "The Mormon Puzzle" that was distributed by the Southern Baptist Convention when they held their meeting in Salt Lake City a few years ago. It too was full of much "misinformation".

    Those are two witnesses. Enough for the Gospel standard. Enough for you? And yet you can find NONE from the Church attacking another faith.

    They preach the truth of the Restored Gospel. They do not preach against any other faith. They don't have to.

    Well, at least we agree on something.

  • Life On Gold Plates - (LDS) Open

    08/17/2008 2:00:44 PM PDT · 91 of 503
    DanielLongo to ejonesie22

    Have you ever heard of HaplogroupX and the Hopewell indians?

  • Life On Gold Plates - (LDS) Open

    08/17/2008 1:59:04 PM PDT · 90 of 503
    DanielLongo to restornu; Elsie; colorcountry; greyfoxx39
    I believe restornu sees much of the same futility that the Lord did in speaking to the chief priests and scribes who had their "Bible" when he said in Luke 22:

    67 Art thou the Christ? tell us. And he said unto them, If I tell you, ye will not believe:

  • Life On Gold Plates - (LDS) Open

    08/17/2008 1:51:54 PM PDT · 83 of 503
    DanielLongo to Elsie

    Ask me anything you like.

  • Life On Gold Plates - (LDS) Open

    08/17/2008 1:50:09 PM PDT · 81 of 503
    DanielLongo to SENTINEL

    issues

  • Life On Gold Plates - (LDS) Open

    08/17/2008 1:47:21 PM PDT · 78 of 503
    DanielLongo to DeLaVerdad
    Everyone keeps saying "my friend", "I have this friend".

    You all sound like Richard Gephardt, Al Gore, and Senator Byrd. If you are going to tell stories, work on making them sound more believable first. I do like the "blood atonement rituals" line. That was pretty good. LOL.

  • Life On Gold Plates - (LDS) Open

    08/17/2008 1:44:56 PM PDT · 76 of 503
    DanielLongo to greyfoxx39

    Which point should be addressed? He is giving his opinion as to why and how some people feel disaffected from the Church. Obviously, you are reading something into this that the rest of us are not.

  • Life On Gold Plates - (LDS) Open

    08/17/2008 1:34:13 PM PDT · 72 of 503
    DanielLongo to greyfoxx39
  • Life On Gold Plates - (LDS) Open

    08/17/2008 1:32:19 PM PDT · 71 of 503
    DanielLongo to greyfoxx39
    Satan was cast out of heaven for rebellion. Your point?

    Moreover, there have always been standards of worthiness and laws of purification in proscribed temple work since Moses outlined them. Your point?

    Joseph Smith did live up to those standards. If you would like to produce a substantiated claim (ie. not your own wild imaginings) then let us take them one at a time. If you are only interested in making attacks, then others here will see the shallowness for your arguments and the vapidity of thought behind them.

  • Life On Gold Plates - (LDS) Open

    08/17/2008 1:26:55 PM PDT · 68 of 503
    DanielLongo to Zakeet
    Again, accusations without proof. The truth is that many of Bushman's articles, particularly as he addressed the Smithsonian last year, have been published on the Church's own website and have been encouraged reading from the pulpit at General Conference (a two-day world wide address). Whether you can imagine it happening or not is irrelevant. That it does or does not happen is the reality you should determine before making such ridiculous assertions.