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I’m not sure what happened, but I just got a message from my bank that the donation I sent back in September was credited back to my bank. It seems the mailing address is correct (hasn’t changed); I’m guessing the check wasn’t cashed? Just a heads up on that. Please feel free to FReepmail me if you’d like to investigate further.

I don’t see how anyone can read what Trump posted and not see it for what it is (a call for “termination of all rules, regulations and articles, even those found in the Constitution”). Even in the case of “fraud”, as noble an intent as that may be, if successfully prosecuted, what does that achieve? A country led by a person with no historical authority. A dictator. By definition. It’s the plan reading of what he said. In my opinion at least.

I’m not here to debate this or anything today though. So you and anyone can reply as you wish. I was struck though re-reading Article 2 section 1, this stands out even more now given this topic: Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:– I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

This is the duty of the president above all others. I think everyone seriously considering he “didn’t mean what it appears he said” rethink at least, that the very oath he took Jan 2017 would forbid what he’s suggesting. Even in the case of “fraud”, even if one argues the “fraud” nullified the Constitution already.

What does everyone on here stand for if not the inviolate nature of the Constitution? What does FR stand for if not that?

“Fraud”, even if it existed enough to have altered 2020, doesn’t nullify the Constitution. If it did, then any Democrat could claim there was fraud in a future election and etc. Does no one here find this slope just a bit slippery? Even if Trump is saying what so many seem to want to make him say (despite the plain reading of his words otherwise) then what’s the “game plan” here? Trump for President for life!?

When does this madness end? Sigh. Maranatha Lord, truly maybe it’ll come to that first before all this craziness from everyone stop.

Yes. IMO both “sides” are hyperventilating right now with little actual fact to go on, with this issue as with virtually all others in the past.

But facts be damned. “We” have a favorite guy to promote/protect. (Trump with die hard support from the “right” Biden with his die hards from the left).

I’m done with idolatry myself.

Indeed. It’s not as clear cut as many (including Patel) would have us believe.

There are some, like Patel, who believe that a President can declassify at will, and if every jot and tittle isn’t followed then “so what?”

Then there are others who say that the regulations for declassification also must even apply to the President because if not there’s no chain of custody and no way to know or control who has access to such documents.

Surprisingly NBC has a pretty balanced article on the matter here, that people would be remiss to ignore or brush off just because it’s NBC. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-allies-say-declassified-mar-lago-documents-experts-say-unclear-w-rcna42311

Once again, as is the norm in Trump world for all his supporters, it’s not clear cut that he’s done “nothing wrong”. Sure it can be hashed out in court and if it comes to it I’m sure he will bring it to court “because he’s a fighter”. Yeah.

Here’s the thing though, if he just hadn’t brought the documents with him, none of this would have happened. Or, bothered to at least declassify them properly (instead of just declaring them “declassified” and that’s it, which again according to some experts isn’t good enough). All of that would’ve been too simple I guess.

I’ve had enough of this kind of “winning” myself.

What's it matter? There's no way the Dem isn't going to win anyway. This IS Maryland after all; the only way Hogan won was because he was a CINO not "RINO" but CINO. A "conservative in name only". I despise the term "RINO", because the "Republican Party" has clearly never really stood for anything. So who's anyone to say this person is a "RINO". It's meaningless. No matter who levies the charge, including Trump.

You are correct though, it's pettiness. But this is the new norm in the GOP these days. Pettiness. From both the "establishment" and the "MAGA" crowd. Personally I've had enough. So I say let it all burn. (figuratively of course)

I say, I haven't left the GOP, in principle. It's left me. Really. At least in claiming they ever stood for any plank in their platform. A bunch of spineless goofballs pandering for votes. Again, from both "sides" mentioned above.

I don’t think there’s any question Trump is going to run again. And DeSantis, I don’t know if he will especially if Trump does. This quote from the Examiner is key though, in my opinion:

“[Trump’s] continued fixation on relitigating the 2020 election leaves him vulnerable to a DeSantis brimming with critiques of the present and programs for the future. DeSantis, as Dexter Filkins’s perhaps unwillingly positive portrait in the New Yorker indicates, is smart, hard-working, disciplined, and eager to win fights, citing chapter and verse, over hostile media.”

This is applicable in the general election as well. If Trump is the nominee his opponent will excoriate him for his 2020 obsession.

It really doesn’t matter if one believes 2020 was stolen from Trump or not (obviously I don’t but again that doesn’t matter). The fact of the matter is, outside the friendly “conservative” safe spaces like FR, Telegram, Gabb, and Truth Social, the rest of the country (about 60%) are *tired* of what they, rightly or wrongly, perceive as whining from a man who lost an election almost 2 years ago.

One would know this, if one goes outside one’s comfort zone and actually *talks* to such people.

So the quote above is reality, and a serious hindrance to Trump if not in the primary in the general. It’s just the reality of the electorate. One can believe what one wants, but “Republican support” for Trump represents at most 40% of likely voters in this country. And you can’t win an election with only 40% voting for you.

That’s not a conspiracy, it’s just math.

Do either of them support receiving Communion in the hand? If so, then we really know we are in the End Times.

Seriously, no one takes Fr. Martin seriously. Not real Catholics who know their Church and the nut jobs in it. Cardinals included.

Speaking of aberrant behavior: did Fr. Pavone ever apologize for putting an aborted fetus on display on a church’s altar?

Certainly abortion itself is an abomination. But if *that* wasn’t sacrilege I don’t know what is.

Like I said, wacky crap in the Church. For centuries even. Yet She survives. Almost like the Church is divinely protected or something…

Yeah I was about to say the family has some other things to worry about than keeping a certificate current.

It’s happened before. No big whoop; if one already trusts FR what’s the big deal?

It’s still encrypted, it’s just the certificate isn’t current in all the check boxes.

Link to original report

So, anyone can read it for themselves. As everyone should, before forming an opinion about it. That's just how logic and reason work.

Or believe what you want. Maybe it's too late. Maybe, no one is left in society at large who cares to think independently, and everyone just regurgitates what they hear/read on their website/blog/podcast of choice. On the right and the left.

May God help us all if that's the case. If there's ever a sign we are indeed in the "end times" it's that: uncritical obedience to one's favorite, an obedience based on feelings not reason. It's how the Devil works. It's his favorite trick: "Nah, YOU aren't wrong, everyone else who disagrees with you is; no reason to even consider you could be wrong"....old as the Garden...

Exactly! We have now reached a point that any reasonable person with the capacity to think things through should be able to see the obvious: that either Trump himself was a victim of the "Deep State" that day or he's as just a much a jerk as the left says he is.

There is no escaping either of these alternatives.

I've said the same below your post.

I can only hope and pray the fog, the massive DELUSION, that seems to stem from Trump and flow from him like a black cloud of putrid smoke is finally lifting from the eyes of all who have a brain.

Did he do good for this country? Obviously so, if only for his SC picks. But of course more than that. I voted for him twice, in 2016 and 2020 for these reasons.

But does that mean he's some kind of demigod that some on the "right" would have us believe? Absolutely not.

It's time to wake up. And recognize Trump for what he is: a flawed man, like the rest of us. He needs to be left behind, before we, as a country, are dragged down with him into the bottomless pit of pride he's ensnared himself with in the "2020 stolen election" nonsense.

According to the article, “ The agency has said the agents involved would testify to that effect, though they have not yet gone back to the committee to testify.”

Is it a lie? Who knows. But it’s all we have.

Anyone who can prove it’s a lie (anyone who can prove that the agents really wanted to go back to the committee to testify, but weren’t allowed to do so by the committee) will be an internet star.

So have at it everybody. Otherwise, we must believe it’s the truth, and such a claim was false. (no agent was really willing to testify Hutchinson’s testimony was false). That’s how reality works.

Here’s the thing though, regardless whether or not Trump tried to grab the steering wheel: (don’t know if anyone else has thought this through this way too but everyone should).

Either:

1. Trump, because he really DID want to go the Capitol that day, (at least, if not trying to grab the wheel) at least yelled at his driver(s), staff, etc, in the vehicle (whatever it was, doesn’t matter if it was the “beast” or not) to take him back to the Capitol, and no one listened to him despite yelling “I’m the ****ing President” at them, and thus practically kidnapped him all the way back to the White House. OR...

2. It’s all a lie, everything, he never complained at all about going directly back to the WH, and actually happily went back, because he never intended to go to the Capitol, despite his words to the contrary, leaving all those who supported him, who marched into the Capitol, and later got charged for “sedition” or whatever, hundreds of people (not to mention Babbitt who got shot and killed), he left all of them to whither on the vine, as he amused himself watching it all unfold for hours on television.

One can NOT escape either 1 or 2 above. It’s impossible for there to be a third possibility. It’s either 1 or 2, period. There’s no way there can be any other. So, either Trump is an ineffectual leader after all, unable to order even his own staff to take him where he wishes to go (#1), OR, he’s as egotistical and callous as CNN/the left claims.

The Jan 6 Committee is of course, a Democrat ploy to exploit Republican stupidity that day to maximal effect. Pure petty politics of course.

But that doesn’t mean it’s, again, impossible, to conclude either #1 or #2 above. And that fact alone, should tell everyone, anyone who still has any capacity to reason left (who’s not blinded by the con man Trump clearly is), all they need to know about the man.

Vote DeSantis in 2024, if he runs. Or anyone else but Trump. It’s our only hope. It’s the only hope for the country.

Your father is an honorable man. I’m humbled to be a part of his website to this day. I will keep him in prayer; he’s tough. I’m sure he will come through this as other challenges in the past. God bless you, Mr. Robinson, his brother, and your entire family.

You both may find these interesting: (and please, don’t give me “oh, you’re using Twitter as a source?”. Don’t be lazy like that. These are actual screenshots from the film, it doesn’t matter the user/source/whatever showing it. I’ve seen the film too, I know these are accurate and believe the same. This Twitter user is not me for the record too):

https://twitter.com/PokerPolitics/status/1527320940706603008?s=20&t=zqB2UUAgS5u6GdbKVQD6ww

https://twitter.com/PokerPolitics/status/1527320946285375489?s=20&t=zqB2UUAgS5u6GdbKVQD6ww

https://twitter.com/PokerPolitics/status/1527320959920721920?s=20&t=zqB2UUAgS5u6GdbKVQD6ww

Generally speaking, the “maps” shown in the video of dropoxes are made up. Total fabrications:

https://twitter.com/PokerPolitics/status/1527097679603548160?s=20&t=zqB2UUAgS5u6GdbKVQD6ww

Here’s proof that the radius TTV used to “link” cellphones to locations (dropboxes and NGO’s) was “100 feet” NOT, “3 meters” (~10 feet) as they claimed in the movie.

https://twitter.com/AngryFleas/status/1521862156161105920?s=20&t=zqB2UUAgS5u6GdbKVQD6ww

Now maybe they changed their methodology between 2021 and the movie, but they never said in the movie they changed anything in their methodology. They just said they used a “3 meter radius”. I know, because again, I watched the movie. Prove to me, with sources, that they changed their methodology, because again, they don’t say they did in the movie, so the movie isn’t itself proof they changed it. It’s only proof they are claiming a different resolution radius without explanation.

As TChad said, there is no video of the same person at multiple drop boxes in the film:

https://twitter.com/PamelaEdwards/status/1525485072136257538?s=20&t=zqB2UUAgS5u6GdbKVQD6ww

In fact, 3 of the “2000 Mules” have already been “exonerated”:

https://twitter.com/PamelaEdwards/status/1526659354237321216?s=20&t=zqB2UUAgS5u6GdbKVQD6ww

How many more need to be “investigated” to show the methodology in the film is faulty?

I could go on, but I’m tired, tired of always “doing my own research” only to find every time it’s based on evidence worthy only of leftists.

Here’s a list of all the numerous times Q has been wrong just for the heck of it, maybe it’ll knock some sense into someone on this site:

https://twitter.com/PokerPolitics/status/1135811817073270785?s=20&t=zqB2UUAgS5u6GdbKVQD6ww

I have no answer for you. But I share your frustration believe me. I can only speak for myself.

I continue to support FR financially for two reasons:

1. The left will not stop in their efforts to suppress the Truth. Parler is now effectively dead. Despite fantasies by some, Trump’s “Truth Social” will be crushed as well, that’s just a fact some can’t see for whatever reason. Telegram will probably survive, but just be another repository for insane nuttery as 4chan/8chan is now. So STILL, FR remains the best shot at reasonable discourse, in the foreseeable future.

2. With that said, I still have a conscience of course. This conscience has dictated to me the following facts:

a. I used FR as a source of info/insight for 10 years after 9/11 without paying a dime. I have since realized this was wrong of me, I was a taker, not a giver, in even the most basic definition of those two words.
b. Given “a” above, I have since decided to donate to FR for TWICE the time I have used it, taken from it, to “repay the debt” so to speak. Also, given Mr. Robinson’s personal health condition(s) and/or his family tragedies, coupled with “a” above, I cannot in good conscience stop my monthly contributions, even though, sadly, it (FR) seems to have become another repository, among countless repositories on the Internet, of tin-foil hat (and lazy, as described in my previous post defining “lazy”) nuttery. It’s sad really, because I’m “old enough to remember” when the nuttery was confined to those on the left (DU for example). But I digress....

So that’s where “we” (I) are. I am BOUND (by my own conscience) to continue my financial contributions, to be clear, as a personal debt I believe I owe Mr. Robinson. But make no mistake, past November 7, 2031, the payments will cease forever if, in the meantime, this garbage heap of lunacy is not corrected. Because then, my conscience will tell me “You’re only enabling the insane at this point”. (and by 2031, either the left will have completely won or not, so FR by itself isn’t going to matter as an institution by then either way IMO, if things don’t change here, and on the “right” in general).

That’s just me. Others may feel differently in their desire to support (or not). Not for me to judge.

FReegards,

Care about WHAT? That’s what others are asking you.

For the record, I think the large majority of what’s going around, fueling “vaccine hesitancy” on the “right”, is based on faulty understanding of the VAERS and/or simple ignorance of science.

BUT, if you agree, then you should out right say it. Quit playing coy with statements like “you don’t even care”.

As others have said, that’s what those on the left do, guilt/shame people into submission. I’ll say it if you don’t want to, or don’t even agree:

People need to QUIT believing everything they read on the Internet as if it’s some gnostic truth, waiting to be discovered, only “suppressed” by the “Mainstream Media/Global Elites/New World Order”. Get out of your shell, read and understand opposing viewpoints, and most importantly, make some friends with some who actually know about a topic you don’t, in this case, vaccines, virology, and basic science.

The problem not only with COVID but in the world of “social” media in general is a lack of trust among people. People want to believe what they want to believe, regardless of the actual truth, and increasingly look for “articles” or “data” to support their arguments, RATHER than look for things that could possibly prove the opposite of what they believe. This is the problem here, and with other topics. A lack of desire to investigate and then present opposing viewpoints and rebut them on their own merits.

I’m reminded here of the Angelic Doctor. (St. Thomas Aquinas). In his seminal work “Summa Theologica” he took GREAT pains to not only examine, but present opposing viewpoints to his own, presenting them in as thorough and complete a fashion as logic and reason could possibly demand. And then and ONLY then offering his rebuttals.

This dedication to rigor is what is lacking in today’s society as a whole, and in this topic in particular. To start, the author of the OP (not the poster, but the author of the linked source) doesn’t even address the limitations of the VAERS. Doesn’t even bother to address how the VAERS is NOT intended to be used in such a fashion as the author is trying to do. Thus, the conclusions made here are at best, incomplete if not faulty.

Start with something like that. I’m not interested anymore (myself) with such ignorance, which is why I rarely post here anymore. It’s just more of the same lazy pablum that has sadly infected FR.

BUT, with all that said, saying simply “you don’t even care” is even more lazy. At least the OP author did some semblance of work greater than a personally satisfying statement as “you don’t even care”.

I don’t know how healthy it is (no pun intended) to hope the unvaccinated die to show them a lesson or whatever. I mean they’ll be dead if that happens, I don’t think they’ll be admitting any mistakes then.

This story is sadly familiar. I honestly don’t know if it’s true. But if it is, it’s very very sad. To anyone who has a modicum of compassion for one’s fellow man.

It seems most here (on FR) are opposed to the vaccine and any mandates. Personally, I am vaccinated, however I certainly oppose any mandates. It’s simply anti-liberty to advocate otherwise (I don’t know if you or anyone reading this does advocate mandates or not).

With all that said though to any who aren’t vaccinated, I certainly support your right to choose that. And again, I don’t know if this article is true or not, because again I’ve seen this claim that the unvaccinated “beg for the vaccine on their deathbeds” before. If it’s true it’s again, exceedingly sad. And has made me sad a few months ago when I read it before, and now when I read it again.

Bottom line, I only hope that the unvaccinated, should they, GOD FORBID, develop such life-threatening complications from infection, remember reading articles such as this and realize that, if (again God forbid) they find themselves on a ventilator facing death, they not beg for the vaccine at that point (because it would indeed be too late), but that they spend such final moments making peace with God. He’s the only salvation anyway; don’t know why so many even on the “right’ seem to put their faith in other things these days (Trump, ‘news’ sites like Gateway Pundit or podcasts like ‘The War Room’, etc). It’s almost like faith for so many even on the right is reduced to an add on, something said or done to “fit in”, or feel comfortable socially.

It’s not. In fact, not only those sad souls dying of COVID should cry out to God, but everyone should every day. Depend on Him for everything, to get through every moment of every day that’s trying. If that’s not done as a regular practice, then no matter what reason one may find oneself with a tube jammed down one’s throat, be it COVID or a serious car accident, no matter how many times one went to church or read the Bible won’t make one whit of difference.

But I digress, I guess. Everyone should be more compassionate. Even those imagining “oh, that could never happen to me”.

That’s the main message here; everyone’s time is coming, and at a certain moment one will either cry out to God for solace or beg for some *thing* else for help. Get in the habit now of crying out to God for help with everything, or else when the “big one” comes, you won’t know what to cling to. Vaccinated or not.

Agreed. I voted for him twice too. But it’s time for him to be as you said an “elder statesman”.

DeSantis is the best shot at restoring this country the way I see it.

Couldn’t agree more thanks for posting.

In fact I came here (to FR) to see if anyone posted the news about Trump’s comments regarding Netanyahu. I haven’t seen any independent story about it here and only stumbled across it mentioned in this piece.

He (Trump) is constantly obsessing about that issue (the “stolen” election) its in virtually every interview he gives and obviously has poisoned how he views people not only in this country but around the world. I haven’t read the comments on this thread yet but I can’t possibly see how anyone can defend such behavior even if one does believe the election was stolen.

I mean telling a figure like Netanyahu “F—- him”? Really? This is someone worth a vote? I don’t know how much more evidence anyone could need to see he’s become just as addled as Biden but in a different more subtle way. His brain is still healthy but it’s become warped and demented by this obsession with conspiracy theories. So demented that now he’s telling a respected leader to go f himself. Sheesh.

I hope and pray conservatives wake up to this madness soon. He may run in 2024 but he’s it going to win. And not because of some Chinese/Italian hack or whatever. But because most of the country doesn’t like him (and sees him as crazy)

Thank you. I agree completely with your reply. “Just because it was ‘legal’ doesn’t make it a crime”.

You’re entirely correct, in my opinion, and exactly why I posted what I did. To make it Crystal clear: I do NOT believe everything “legal” isn’t criminal. This is a prime case right here (not to mention the “legality” of abortion).

Abortion is a crime against humanity. And so is this. It’s obvious to anyone with a brain that these “helpers” did more than “help” someone fill out a ballot. They obviously “helped” such people who rarely if ever voted complete their ballot “correctly” (ie for Biden). But good luck proving that in court.

That’s why I’ve said that the GOP/Trump needs to focus on this real problem, rather than some crazed conspiracy theory(theories) like Powell and others promote. Really how IS her deposition going with Dominion? I kinda think it’s not going so well (because she’s fallen off the reality train into God knows what). I mean the woman doesn’t even know basic facts about her own claims. See here: https://www.mediaite.com/tv/were-done-sidney-powell-flees-interview-after-being-grilled-on-false-election-claims/

Screw Mediaite who cares about their leftist bent (which is well documented of course) it’s a VIDEO of Powell herself caught in her own ignorance. Watch yourself (any reading this) if you don’t believe me.

But I’ve digressed long enough into the lunacy of these tin foil hat nutters.

The point is, the GOP/Trump was outsmarted by the Dems in 2020 who (the Dems) used the Covid hysteria then to their advantage to let all kinds of craziness WRT mail in voting transpire. And all “legally”. So again, either get with that program and do the same kind of vote “helping” or change the laws back to where they were before Covid.

Either way though, it’s pure insanity to focus on this “stolen election” nonsense. The election was only “stolen” in the sense that Trump let the Dems outsmart him in 2020; and the Dems used their “helpers” in an amoral way (because they have no morals because they are from Satan).

Remember when Trump HIMSELF said that there were “no problems” with Mail in votes, the system in place months before the election? ( https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/politics/2020-08-05/trump-praises-mail-in-voting-in-florida-as-safe-and-secure ) He was duped. Just like everyone in the GOP. It’s time to admit that defeat, change our battle tactics or suffer the consequences in perpetuity.

There were no “hacks from China” or “bamboo ballots” or whatever TF else some nut job/scam artist on the Internet says. By clinging to THAT fantasy, it makes real voter reform exceedingly difficult if not impossible because we become the party of “faked moon landings” and “Roswell aliens”. Never to be taken seriously, even if what we want to do is what’s RIGHT.

A pretty good editorial, but BOR gets one thing wrong. Barr did not state "that election fraud was committed". Quite the opposite really

Note, even Gateway Pundit has reported on this problem. The real steal

This is the real problem FRiends, in all battleground states not just PA, not some vote hack from China or whatever TF. There was no "steal" in the sense that illegal measures (like tampering with ballots or machines) was done. The real "steal" was in that the Democrats/leftists were simply better organized and funded where it counted in 2020. And also that because of the pandemic, usual regulations restricting widespread mail-in voting were lifted. That's where the GOP/Trump failed in 2020, by not lifting a finger (until it was too late) to change such "temporary" allowances.

Note, this also quite well explains how "Sleepy" Joe was able to garner more votes than Trump, despite the obvious enthusiasm differences in their rallies etc. Also how so many "bellwether" predictors were broken in favor of Biden. It's the pandemic stupid, simple as that. And leftists using it to their advantage, all in a legal (not moral, but legal) way.

But now the leftists want to make such changes permanent. If the GOP/Trump doesn't start focusing on this, instead of wild-eyed conspiracy theories out of Venezuela or wherever, then it's over for good. Either get the laws changed, back to where they were pre-pandemic, or do as they did in 2020. Get out the vote, reach the homebound, "bundle" as many mail ins as they did.

Or else suffer the consequences in perpetuity.