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  • "Conscience Amendment" rule fails

    07/15/2016 11:08:31 PM PDT · 161 of 167
    greyfoxx39 to ObamahatesPACoal

    Great comment! And right on the money!

  • Mike Lee predicts backlash after RNC smothers delegate rebellion

    07/15/2016 11:26:49 AM PDT · 88 of 107
    greyfoxx39 to pleasenotcalifornia
    I always thought that Mormonism was more similar to Islam than Christianity.

    Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had humble beginnings. Neither had formal religious connections or upbringing, and both were relatively uneducated. Both founded new religions by creating their own scriptures. In fact, followers of both prophets claim these scriptures are miracles since their authors were the most simple and uneducated of men.[2]

    • Both prophets claim of having angel visitations, and of receiving divine revelation to restore pure religion to the earth again. Mohammed was told that both Jews and Christians had long since corrupted their scriptures and religion. In like manner, Joseph Smith was told that all of Christianity had become corrupt, and that consequently the Bible itself was no longer reliable. In both cases, this corruption required a complete restoration of both scripture and religion. Nothing which preceded either prophet could be relied upon any longer. Both prophets claim they were used of God to restore eternal truths which once existed on earth, but had been lost due to human corruption.

    • Both prophets created new scripture which borrowed heavily from the Bible, but with a substantially new “spin.” In his Koran, Mohammed appropriates a number of Biblical themes and characters—but he changes the complete sense of many passages, claiming to “correct” the Bible. In so doing he changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place. In like manner, Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, much of which is plagiarized directly from the King James Bible. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon claims that this same Bible has been substantially corrupted and is therefore unreliable. In addition, Joseph Smith went so far as to actually create his own version of the Bible itself, the “Inspired Version,” in which he both adds and deletes significant portions of text, claiming he is “correcting” it. In so doing he also changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place.

    • As a part of their new scriptural “spin,” both prophets saw themselves as prophesied in scripture, and both saw themselves as a continuation of a long line of Biblical prophets. Mohammed saw himself as a continuation of the ministry of Moses and Jesus. Joseph Smith saw himself as a successor to Enoch, Melchizedek, Joseph and Moses. Joseph Smith actually wrote himself into his own version of the Bible—by name.

    • Both prophets held up their own scripture as superior to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that the Koran was a perfect copy of the original which was in heaven. The Koran is therefore held to be absolutely perfect, far superior to the Bible and superceding it. In like manner, Joseph Smith also made the following claim. “I told the Brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book.”[3]

    • Despite their claim that the Bible was corrupt, both prophets admonished their followers to adhere to its teachings. An obvious contradiction, this led to selective acceptance of some portions and wholesale rejection of others. As a result, the Bible is accepted by both groups of followers only to the extent that it agrees with their prophet’s own superior revelation.

    • Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith taught that true salvation was to be found only in their respective religions. Those who would not accept their message were considered “infidels,” pagans or Gentiles. In so doing, both prophets became the enemy of genuine Christianity, and have led many people away from the Christ of the Bible.

    • Both prophets encountered fierce opposition to their new religions and had to flee from town to town because of threats on their lives. Both retaliated to this opposition by forming their own militias. Both ultimately set up their own towns as model societies.

    • Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith left unclear instructions about their successors. The majority of Mohammed’s followers, Sunni Muslims, believe they were to elect their new leader, whereas the minority, Shiite Muslims, believe Mohammed’s son was to be their next leader. Similarly, the majority of Joseph Smith’s followers, Mormons, believed their next prophet should have been the existing leader of their quorum of twelve apostles, whereas the minority, RLDS, believed Joseph Smith’s own son should have been their next prophet. Differences on this issue, and many others, have created substantial tension between these rival groups of each prophet.

    • Mohammed taught that Jesus was just another of a long line of human prophets, of which he was the last. He taught that he was superior to Christ and superceded Him. In comparison, Joseph Smith also made the following claim.

    “I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”[4] In light of these parallels, perhaps Joseph Smith’s claim to be a second Mohammed unwittingly became his most genuine prophecy of all.


    [1] Joseph Smith made this statement at the conclusion of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. This particular quote is documented in Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230–231. Fawn Brodie’s footnote regarding this speech contains valuable information, and follows. “Except where noted, all the details of this chapter [16] are taken from the History of the [Mormon] Church. This speech, however, was not recorded there, and the report given here is based upon the accounts of seven men. See the affidavits of T.B. Marsh, Orson Hyde, George M. Hinkle, John Corrill, W.W. Phelps, Samson Avard, and Reed Peck in Correspondence, Orders, etc., pp. 57–9, 97–129. The Marsh and Hyde account, which was made on October 24, is particularly important. Part of it was reproduced in History of the [Mormon] Church, Vol. III, p. 167. See also the Peck manuscript, p. 80. Joseph himself barely mentioned the speech in his history; see Vol. III, p. 162.”

    [2] John Ankerberg & John Weldon, The Facts on Islam, (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1998), pp.8–9. Eric Johnson, Joseph Smith  & Muhammed, (El Cajon, CA: Mormonism Research Ministry, 1998), pp. 6–7.

    [3] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.4, pp.461.

    [4] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.6, pp.408–409./EM

  • Southwest at risk for Trump over divisive rhetoric, weak campaign start

    07/10/2016 11:36:36 AM PDT · 26 of 27
    greyfoxx39 to Rusty0604
    I read that Trump may have problems in Utah and Arizona because of all the Mormons and the only reason they don’t like Trump is because of Romney.

    Probably true...mormons are sheep, led by their "anointed" leaders...I'm not sure there are enough Arizona mormons to sway the vote, but Utah will likely vote the way the church instructs them to.

  • Trump lawyer accuses Clinton of murder in tweet

    06/28/2016 4:49:02 PM PDT · 62 of 74
    greyfoxx39 to DiogenesLamp
    Romney should have done this three years ago sack less wonder that he is. He was too worried about being called a racist for hitting Zippy too hard.

    Romney just thought he could coast to the presidency because he was "ordained" by his "mormon priesthood" and singled out for greatness by mormonism's White Horse Prophecy.

    The prophecy is known as the “White Horse Prophecy” or the prophecy of the “One mighty and strong.” Now, this is not public, formal LDS doctrine, but it was taught by many leaders of the Church and is still taught today. It is said by LDS leadership that when the Constitution is in dire peril, one will come who is mighty and strong. He will come riding (figuratively perhaps) on a white horse and will wield awesome political and spiritual power.

    "Mormonism is a uniquely American religion, embodying as it does many of the virtues of the frontier United States: self-reliance, individuality, and high expectations of morality. One of its more unique doctrines in this regard is their belief that the US Constitution is a divinely inspired document. They view it in virtually the same way they view the Bible or the Book of Mormon or other standard works of their church. Thus, the National Center for Constitutional Studies has – as its underpinning – the idea that the document they are studying is virtually holy writ.

    "Like his father, George Romney -- who ran unsuccessfully for president a generation ago (1968) -- Mitt is a high priest in the Church priesthood hierarchy."

    Mitt assumes he IS ordained to walk into the White House as President, and his bitterness at being thwarted is in my opinion, driving him to endeavor to claim his "rightful" place as "the one mighty and strong."

    I don't believe Mitt is working for any candidate...but only for HIMSELF!

  • Utah / Mormons run to Hillary en masse. What do they think Hillary gives them?

    06/26/2016 3:58:55 PM PDT · 69 of 144
    greyfoxx39 to RKBA Democrat
    The desire to convert heathens is a good reason to favor immigration. And I wish my church would take proselytizing as seriously as the LDS does.

    Consider the following regarding mormon "proselytizing"...

    The Law of Consecration....an oath taken by Romney numerous times in the mormon temple..."You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar, that you do accept the Law of Consecration as contained in the Doctrine and Covenants, in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the Kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion.

    Law of Consecration

    lds endowment

    Mormon’s covenant to put the church before ALL things.

  • Utah / Mormons run to Hillary en masse. What do they think Hillary gives them?

    06/26/2016 3:19:22 PM PDT · 53 of 144
    greyfoxx39 to RKBA Democrat; Colofornian; Elsie; svcw; Zakeet; Tennessee Nana; aMorePerfectUnion; Godzilla; ...
    Mormon theology. They want more immigrants on the belief that they can be converted to mormonism.

    That is the driving force behind mormonism....more converts being sucked in, more fools paying the requisite 10% tithing%, having more babies to grow up and pay THEIR 10% plus.

  • Former Romney Adviser on Trump Alternative: ‘Until Donald Trump Has the Nomination…All Things Are..

    06/24/2016 8:52:01 AM PDT · 22 of 39
    greyfoxx39 to mkjessup
    Well Stuart Stevens me lad, you can take your puny genitalia, insert it into your rectal orifice, and commence to commit fornication with yourself, and tell Bishop Romney that his golden underwear is full of fecal matter just like he is.

    Well said!

    Mitt Romney on Donald Trump ALL the way back in February 2012

    "Trump endorses Romney and he repays him by backstabbing......And this trash tried to make a run for the Oval office....Good thing nobody wanted irrelevant Romney!!"

  • Republicans Consider ‘Conscientious Objector’ Rule for Convention Delegates

    06/18/2016 9:41:55 PM PDT · 85 of 92
    greyfoxx39 to deport

    Enid Mickelson is, as is Romney, mormon.

    One wonders if the order came down from mormon headquarters to stop Donald Trump..

  • Powerful video released from the NRA (Must See!)

    06/18/2016 11:57:08 AM PDT · 7 of 36
    greyfoxx39 to Red in Blue PA

    Posted to my FB page...hope it stays up! Also emailed to my contacts.

  • SiriusXM Proves to be Run by Cowards (by Glenn Beck)

    06/01/2016 2:45:47 PM PDT · 39 of 50
    greyfoxx39 to humblegunner

    Well said Gunner! Love the image you paint!

  • What now, Ted Cruz?

    05/20/2016 10:11:43 PM PDT · 65 of 97
    greyfoxx39 to Diana in Wisconsin

    Excellent post Diana!

  • Illegal Immigration and the Fulfillment of Book of Mormon Prophecy (Why Mormons Oppose Trump)

    05/15/2016 5:06:05 PM PDT · 50 of 57
    greyfoxx39 to IWONDR
    how do mormon baptisms for the dead steal anyone souls?

    What is it that mormons see of benefit to mormonism by performing these baptisms, without the permission of descendants of dead Jews?

    Mormon baptisms of deceased Jews

  • Mitt Romney is trying to remain relevant in American politics

    05/11/2016 4:58:45 PM PDT · 32 of 58
    greyfoxx39 to A CA Guy; Colofornian; Elsie; svcw; Zakeet; Tennessee Nana; aMorePerfectUnion; Godzilla; ...
    He’s giving Mormons a bad reputation lately.

    Mitt is just living up to mormon belief, expecting to be a "savior" of the country...and world!

    I don't know how Cruz was fooled into the "Mormon Plan" by Glenn Beck.

    Republican Mitt Romney and the "Mormon Plan for America"

    Mitt the Mormon!

    the temple oaths and obligations Romney has taken make his first allegiance to the LDS “Kingdom of God.” In the part of the temple rite called the “Law of Consecration,” he swore as follows: (13)

    "You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar, that you do accept the Law of Consecration as contained in the Doctrine and Covenants, in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the Kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion."

    Thus, he MUST do everything he can to bring about the Kingdom of God on earth and the “establishment of Zion” - which is the political form of the Kingdom. You must also realize that Mormons have been positioning themselves in government for decades. A disproportionate number of FBI agents, CIA agents, State Department people and other government officials are loyal LDS. At one time, three of the Joint Chiefs of Staff were loyal Mormons.

    Whether or not any of this actually happens in this way is obviously up to the LORD, and to his prophecies concerning Anti-Christ.. But well-trained temple Mormons believe it is literally their manifest destiny to rescue the United States and bring about the Kingdom of God on earth, with their prophet as its head.

  • Ted Cruz Backers Seek to Control Convention Platform

    05/09/2016 1:09:05 PM PDT · 7 of 181
    greyfoxx39 to Innovative; Jim Robinson
    Looks like Cruz may try to pull something at the convention to try to get the nomination away from Trump.

    Cruz is a dirty SOB!

  • Donald Trump Is The Nominee But Every State Needs To Keep Voting… [Must read article]

    05/06/2016 11:22:55 AM PDT · 21 of 85
    greyfoxx39 to Jim Robinson; Diana in Wisconsin; Kakaze; Tammy8; metmom; Cap Huff; svcw; leapfrog0202; Concho; ...
    "FR is going all in for Trump over the godless America-hating treasonous bitch, Hillary Clinton.

    If you can't live with that, you can't live with FR.

    Enough is enough!!

    1 posted on Friday, May 06, 2016 11:05:40 AM by Jim Robinson

    Well said, Jim...

  • LIVE: Donald Trump Post Indiana Primary Press Conference(5-3-16) 9pm EDT Trump Tower

    05/03/2016 2:04:12 PM PDT · 467 of 2,544
    greyfoxx39 to PJBankard

    Please ping me when you begin posting results. Thanks!

  • Cruz Cult Exposed – “Religion” of 7 Mountain Strategy A Cult Of Heidi’s NWO

    05/03/2016 12:58:24 PM PDT · 78 of 228
    greyfoxx39 to CatoRenasci; colorcountry; Pan_Yans Wife; MHGinTN; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; Osage Orange; ...
    even if Ted himself isn't actually a believer in 7 Mountain Dominionism, there are many people around him, including his father, who are. These are views that are at least as lunatic as those of Obama's Rev. Wright, and will turn the American people - even most evangelicals - off faster than you can say "rapture".

    Well said...and worth repeating!

  • Glenn Beck: God Prolonged GOP Primary So Every State Could Choose Between "Good Or Evil"

    05/02/2016 4:44:43 PM PDT · 58 of 144
    greyfoxx39 to SaveFerris
    When Glenn Beck figures out that Joseph Smith was a two-bit con man, and that God doesn’t live on a planet near the Kolob star, then I’ll start to believe he’s partially out of his delusion.

    Glenn and Ted Cruz's daddy are both delusional...and Ted is hand in glove with them both.

    “I implore every member of the Body of Christ to vote according to the word of God. And vote for the candidate that stands for the word of God and the Constitution of the United States of America… The alternative could be the destruction of America.” Rafael Cruz

  • Rafael Cruz: “I Implore Every Member of the Body of Christ to Vote According to the Word of God”

    05/02/2016 2:09:47 PM PDT · 85 of 97
    greyfoxx39 to C19fan; Diana in Wisconsin; Kakaze; Tammy8; metmom; Cap Huff; svcw; leapfrog0202; Concho; ...
    We are electing a politician not a messiah.

    The following article, Does Ted Cruz Think He’s the Messiah? is an in-depth description of the beliefs of Rafael Cruz, father of Ted Cruz, and IMO descriptive of the beliefs of Ted Cruz.

    "Rafael Cruz has been the senator’s primary surrogate on the campaign trail, particularly with the evangelical voters who are now Ted Cruz’s base. The two have frequently spoken together, prayed together, campaigned together—even shot highly awkward “slice of life” videos together"....so IMO it follows that the son is a follower of the father.

    Rafael Cruz’s views of his son’s role in all of this are literally messianic. When Ted was 4 years old, Rafael says that he told him “You know, Ted, you have been gifted above any man that I know and God has destined you for greatness.”

    Now, everything I’ve (author Jay Michaelson) said so far is about Rafael Cruz, not Ted Cruz. We don’t really know how much of this Ted believes. But it is interesting that even anodyne statements by Ted Cruz can be read in multiple ways, the classic indicator of dogwhistling. For example, Sen. Cruz wrote an epilogue to Rafael Cruz’s book, in which he said, “If our nation’s leaders are elected by unbelievers, is it any wonder that they do not reflect our values? … If the body of Christ arises, if Christians simply show up and vote biblical values, we can restore our nation.”

    Read one way, this is just a Christian version of “make America great again.” Read another way, “restoring our nation” has a very specific dominionist meaning of one believes that America was once a Christian quasi-theocracy. And not many candidates describe their campaign as trying to get the body of Christ to arise.

    Rafael Cruz has said that at a prayer session in 2013 or 2014, “It was as if there was a presence of the Holy Spirit in the room and we all were at awe… And Ted, all that came out of his mouth, he said, ‘Here am I Lord, use me. Here am I Lord, I surrender to whatever Your will for my life is.’ And it was at that time that he felt a peace about running for president of the United States.”

    Whatever Ted Cruz’s religious views, however, those of his father are relevant in their own right. He stumps for his son all the time, Barton has his hands on some of the largest purse strings in Republican politics, and many of Ted Cruz’s supporters are animated by a theological vision of America that will restore “kings” to power at the End of Days, of whom Cruz is apparently one.

    The word “dominionism” may not roll of the tongue of political pundits, but given its shocking ambitions, maybe that’s part of the point.

    Link to article

    In my opinion, the melding of the "dominionist" beliefs of the Cruz pair, with the mormon beliefs of Glenn Beck are far and away NOT the mainstream Christianity that is a bulwark of the conservative/Christian ideal of most American believers in Christ! I see the Cruz/Beck partnership as a danger to the coming election, and pray that it will be thwarted!

  • Glenn Beck in Hoosierland: With Vice President Fiorina ‘You Wouldn’t Need Mitch McConnell Anymore’

    05/01/2016 5:21:34 PM PDT · 56 of 71
    greyfoxx39 to Jim Robinson
    Just a suggestion....shouldn't FR be designated a "Glenn Beck Free Zone" in the interests of no more wasting of bandwidth and causing projectile vomiting among the FR membership?
  • Congratulations to our presumptive nominee, Donald Trump!

    04/20/2016 12:03:18 PM PDT · 23 of 1,440
    greyfoxx39 to Jim Robinson

    “Great job in New York and throughout this campaign. Cruz and Kasich are now mathematically eliminated and just like all the others who were mathematically eliminated should concede and drop out so we can all unite behind our nominee and prepare to defeat the godless America-hating traitor Hillary Clinton in November.”

    Here’s hoping all FReepers heed your suggestion “all the others who were mathematically eliminated should concede and drop out so we can all unite behind our nominee.”

    Maybe the posts filled with vitriol will be weeded out and we can all enjoy the forum again!

  • LIVE:Donald J. Trump New York Election Night Event @ Trump Towers @ 9pm EDT.

    04/19/2016 5:27:04 PM PDT · 1,043 of 2,506
    greyfoxx39 to Pravious
    He was nasty, arrogant, dishonest and delusional and clearly plans to try and steal the nomination all-the-while preaching how he’s winning by a landslide.

    I forced myself to listen to the whole interview...His arrogance was stunning.

  • Pay Attention! While Primaries Distract, Obama Shreds Constitutional Governance

    04/19/2016 12:44:43 PM PDT · 5 of 21
    greyfoxx39 to Diana in Wisconsin; Kakaze; Tammy8; metmom; Cap Huff; svcw; leapfrog0202; Concho; delacoert; ...

    Political ping

  • Pay Attention! While Primaries Distract, Obama Shreds Constitutional Governance

    04/19/2016 12:41:08 PM PDT · 1 of 21
    greyfoxx39
    Thus, Obama is claiming what is really dictatorial power masquerading as preemption law. Laid bare, he asserts the unilateral power to forbid states from enforcing immigration laws duly enacted by Congress -- laws that are essential to the security and stability, and thus to the very sovereignty, of the states.

    This must be stopped!

  • WOW! Glenn Beck: Nobody Can Understand the Moses-Like Burden Ted Cruz Carries

    04/14/2016 9:18:58 AM PDT · 184 of 208
    greyfoxx39 to The Citizen Soldier
    Glen Beck is all the reason I need to never vote for Cruz!

    Right on!

  • WOW! Glenn Beck: Nobody Can Understand the Moses-Like Burden Ted Cruz Carries

    04/13/2016 2:57:15 PM PDT · 105 of 208
    greyfoxx39 to dragonblustar

    Beck of Nazareth...Very good!

  • WOW! Glenn Beck: Nobody Can Understand the Moses-Like Burden Ted Cruz Carries

    04/13/2016 2:40:10 PM PDT · 95 of 208
    greyfoxx39 to Revelation 911
    That said, Beck seems to have this whole White Horse Mor-mon prophecy thing goin on.

    Glenn Beck Promotes a False Jesuson

    In at least one segment on his Fox News show, Beck attempted to prove the Book of Mormon true through scientific evidence.6 And in the lead-up to the 2012 presidential election, he spent an episode on his online video show dispelling common Mormon myths and attempting to show that his faith–and that of Republican nominee and Mormon Mitt Romney–was just as normal and mainstream as any other common sect of Christianity.7

    See mormon beliefs vs Christian beliefs...Some Mormon beliefs from "Christianity, Cults and Religions" (Rose Publishing, 2005):

    1) God has a physical body and so does his wife.

    2) No Trinity. Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are three separate gods. People can become gods.

    3) Jesus was created by sexual union between God and Mary.

    4) Jesus was married.

    5) Jesus' death does not atone for all sin.

    6) Baptism for the dead.

    7) African descendants were not granted Mormon privileges until 1978.

    8) Jesus and Satan were spirit brothers.

  • We lost our son today (vanity - prayer request)

    04/12/2016 11:43:15 AM PDT · 215 of 440
    greyfoxx39 to Marie; colorcountry; Pan_Yans Wife; MHGinTN; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; Osage Orange; svcw; ...
    So sorry Marie...praying for you and your family.

    Pinging for additional prayers.

  • "Kosher" Trump Vodka Lands In Hot Water

    04/09/2016 12:58:04 PM PDT · 68 of 82
    greyfoxx39 to aMorePerfectUnion
    As the saying goes...

    Never trust Lyin' Ted - or a Steelfish Thread!

    AMEN!

    OR a thread that has altura spreading venom!

  • Help! Muslim Friend on the Verge of Converting to Christianity Intercepted by Mormons (Vanity)

    04/06/2016 11:59:52 AM PDT · 51 of 144
    greyfoxx39 to MHGinTN
    m’Lady, a copy of that video you sent to me so many years ago might be an excellent tool for the learning curve, so he can better discuss Mormonism with his friend.

    I'm not sure which video you refer to...FReepmail me more info, please.

  • Help! Muslim Friend on the Verge of Converting to Christianity Intercepted by Mormons (Vanity)

    04/06/2016 11:37:22 AM PDT · 46 of 144
    greyfoxx39 to greyfoxx39; Colofornian; Elsie; svcw; Zakeet; Tennessee Nana; aMorePerfectUnion; Godzilla; ...
  • Help! Muslim Friend on the Verge of Converting to Christianity Intercepted by Mormons (Vanity)

    04/06/2016 11:28:53 AM PDT · 44 of 144
    greyfoxx39 to TexasRepublic
    Joseph Smith patterned himself after Mohammed and never hid the fact.

    In the heat of the Missouri “Mormon War” of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim - and threat,

    “I will be a second Mohammed to this generation…whose motto, in treating for peace, was 'the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword,' so shall it be eventually with us, 'Joseph Smith or the Sword.’ ”[1]

    It is most interesting that a self-proclaimed Christian prophet would liken himself to Mohammed, the founder of Islam. His own comparison invites us to take a closer look as well. And when we do, we find some striking—and troubling—parallels. Consider the following.

    Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had humble beginnings. Neither had formal religious connections or upbringing, and both were relatively uneducated. Both founded new religions by creating their own scriptures. In fact, followers of both prophets claim these scriptures are miracles since their authors were the most simple and uneducated of men.[2]

    Both prophets claim of having angel visitations, and of receiving divine revelation to restore pure religion to the earth again. Mohammed was told that both Jews and Christians had long since corrupted their scriptures and religion. In like manner, Joseph Smith was told that all of Christianity had become corrupt, and that consequently the Bible itself was no longer reliable. In both cases, this corruption required a complete restoration of both scripture and religion. Nothing which preceded either prophet could be relied upon any longer. Both prophets claim they were used of God to restore eternal truths which once existed on earth, but had been lost due to human corruption.

    Both prophets created new scripture which borrowed heavily from the Bible, but with a substantially new “spin.” In his Koran, Mohammed appropriates a number of Biblical themes and characters—but he changes the complete sense of many passages, claiming to “correct” the Bible. In so doing he changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place. In like manner, Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, much of which is plagiarized directly from the King James Bible. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon claims that this same Bible has been substantially corrupted and is therefore unreliable. In addition, Joseph Smith went so far as to actually create his own version of the Bible itself, the “Inspired Version,” in which he both adds and deletes significant portions of text, claiming he is “correcting” it. In so doing he also changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place.

    As a part of their new scriptural “spin,” both prophets saw themselves as prophesied in scripture, and both saw themselves as a continuation of a long line of Biblical prophets. Mohammed saw himself as a continuation of the ministry of Moses and Jesus. Joseph Smith saw himself as a successor to Enoch, Melchizedek, Joseph and Moses. Joseph Smith actually wrote himself into his own version of the Bible—by name.

    Both prophets held up their own scripture as superior to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that the Koran was a perfect copy of the original which was in heaven. The Koran is therefore held to be absolutely perfect, far superior to the Bible and superceding it. In like manner, Joseph Smith also made the following claim. “I told the Brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book.”[3]

    Despite their claim that the Bible was corrupt, both prophets admonished their followers to adhere to its teachings. An obvious contradiction, this led to selective acceptance of some portions and wholesale rejection of others. As a result, the Bible is accepted by both groups of followers only to the extent that it agrees with their prophet’s own superior revelation.

    Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith taught that true salvation was to be found only in their respective religions. Those who would not accept their message were considered “infidels,” pagans or Gentiles. In so doing, both prophets became the enemy of genuine Christianity, and have led many people away from the Christ of the Bible.

    Both prophets encountered fierce opposition to their new religions and had to flee from town to town because of threats on their lives. Both retaliated to this opposition by forming their own militias. Both ultimately set up their own towns as model societies.

    Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith left unclear instructions about their successors. The majority of Mohammed’s followers, Sunni Muslims, believe they were to elect their new leader, whereas the minority, Shiite Muslims, believe Mohammed’s son was to be their next leader. Similarly, the majority of Joseph Smith’s followers, Mormons, believed their next prophet should have been the existing leader of their quorum of twelve apostles, whereas the minority, RLDS, believed Joseph Smith’s own son should have been their next prophet. Differences on this issue, and many others, have created substantial tension between these rival groups of each prophet.

    Mohammed taught that Jesus was just another of a long line of human prophets, of which he was the last. He taught that he was superior to Christ and superceded Him. In comparison, Joseph Smith also made the following claim.

    “I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”[4]

    In light of these parallels, perhaps Joseph Smith’s claim to be a second Mohammed unwittingly became his most genuine prophecy of all.

  • We're baaaaack!!

    04/05/2016 5:43:08 PM PDT · 85 of 192
    greyfoxx39 to EDINVA

    I had to login again in order to post this reply...it’s been a frustrating day!

  • Mormon entrepreneur plans to build multi-million dollar 'city of the future' in Vermont...

    04/03/2016 10:52:55 AM PDT · 76 of 90
    greyfoxx39 to aMorePerfectUnion

    LOL!

  • Free Republic Caucus 2016 04/03

    04/02/2016 11:46:28 PM PDT · 94 of 194
    greyfoxx39 to DoughtyOne

    Vote Trump!

  • Mormon entrepreneur plans to build multi-million dollar 'city of the future' in Vermont...

    04/02/2016 5:03:40 PM PDT · 12 of 90
    greyfoxx39 to manc
    SO much for diversity and tolerance.

    Do you mean like the "diversity and tolerance" found in Utah?? LMBO!

  • Free Republic Caucus 2016 04/01

    04/01/2016 9:33:40 AM PDT · 175 of 205
    greyfoxx39 to DoughtyOne

    Vote Trump.

  • Almost 30 mins of Trump trashing

    03/31/2016 6:41:17 PM PDT · 31 of 103
    greyfoxx39 to Jim Robinson

    HEH! Good one Jim!

  • Free Republic Caucus 2016 03/27

    03/26/2016 9:34:14 PM PDT · 65 of 196
    greyfoxx39 to DoughtyOne

    Vote Trump.

  • Alternatives to "CRUZ"Republic? (Opus by one of the pillars of Free Republic...NOT!)

    03/25/2016 9:56:47 AM PDT · 102 of 241
    greyfoxx39 to Sidebar Moderator
    Messages 5 articles, 35 replies

    ROTFL...funniest opus I can remember! Why bother?

  • Free Republic Caucus 2016 03/21

    03/21/2016 3:24:25 PM PDT · 183 of 207
    greyfoxx39 to DoughtyOne

    Vote Trump.

  • Cruz Flies to Romney's Defense in Spat With Trump Over Mormonism

    03/20/2016 11:55:38 AM PDT · 215 of 396
    greyfoxx39 to Utah Binger; Suz in AZ
    I grew up in the church in a very rural Utah town. How about you? Anyway there were always people standing up in testimony meetings proclaiming the prophecy of “hanging by a thread” over and over.

    I had the same experience....BTW, suz in az, how about posting something that illustrates your claim?

  • Cruz Flies to Romney's Defense in Spat With Trump Over Mormonism

    03/20/2016 11:08:09 AM PDT · 189 of 396
    greyfoxx39 to euram; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; svcw; Zakeet; SkyPilot; rightazrain; Tennessee Nana; ...
    I would think that Mormons would find Glenn Beck’s pronouncement that Cruz is the “fulfillment of Mormon prophecy” to be offensive.

    Glenn Beck Brings Fasting Child on Stage at Cruz Rally, Yells: “This is the Priesthood Rising!”

    Things that you can trust more than Beck's version of what's best for America:

    • Mexican tap water

    • A wolverine with a 'pet me' sign

    • A mixed drink made by Bill Cosby

    • A straight edge shave from Jodi Arias

    • A "Coin Toss" at a local Iowa Caucus

    • An elevator ride with Ray Rice

    • A night out with Aaron Hernandez

    • Brian Williams memory

    • A cigar offered to me by Bill Clinton

    • Pete Carroll coaching decisions

    • Loch Ness monster sightings

    • OJ Simpson showing me his knife collection

    • Pinocchio

    • A North Korea "Satellite" launch

    • Hilary Clinton's investigation into Bengazi

    • Prayers for peace from Al Sharpton

    • MSNBC's news reports

    • Gas station Sushi

    • A Jimmy Carter economic plan

    • Bill Clinton's claim he never had inappropriate relationships

    • An Obama Nuclear deal with Iran

    • Michael Jackson's Doctor

    • MeCHA, La Raza, and LULAC's claim they're not racists

    • A Jeffery Dahmer dinner invitation

    • Obama's investigation into the IRS Targeting Scandal

    • The Boy that cried Wolf

    • Harry Reid's exercise equipment

    • Tying Anthony Weiner's shoes

    • The direct number to the State Department in case of a riot

    • A factory packed parachute

    • A kiss from Judas

    • An Afghan wearing a backpack

    • A Supreme Court decision

    • Keeping my healthcare plan

    • A North Korea trial by jury

    • A BIC pen that doesn't leak

    • Flint Michigan water supply

    • a chinese newspaper

    • Electronic Voting Machines

    • A business proposition from the Nigerian Minister of Finance

    • A week old tuna fish sandwich found on a filthy city bus

  • Free Republic Caucus 2016 03/19

    03/18/2016 9:54:45 PM PDT · 70 of 232
    greyfoxx39 to DoughtyOne

    Vote Trump.

  • BREAKING: Mitt Romney endorses Ted Cruz for President in all remaining primaries

    03/18/2016 4:15:14 PM PDT · 347 of 448
    greyfoxx39 to grey_whiskers
    "Friends, Mormons, Countrymen, I come to bury Cruz, not to praise him."

    LOL

  • BREAKING: Mitt Romney endorses Ted Cruz for President in all remaining primaries

    03/18/2016 1:05:57 PM PDT · 91 of 448
    greyfoxx39 to springwater13; Jim Robinson; Tennessee Nana; LS
    Romney's nastiness knows no bounds...and his "gratitude" for Trump as noted in this article,

    Here’s What Mitt Romney Said About Donald Trump in 2012 shows what a jerk he really is.

    "Some of the themes from Trump’s sober and concise endorsement of the candidate will ring true to those following the current presidential race, but on Thursday it’s perhaps more interesting to look at Romney’s response to the endorsement. The former Massachusetts governor began with a statement that could be read very differently in retrospect (“There are some things you just can’t imagine happening in your life. This is one of them.”), but his praise for Trump was generally effusive.

    “Donald Trump has shown an extraordinary ability to understand how our economy works,” Romney said, citing Trump’s record as a job creator. And, he concluded, “it means a great deal to me to have the endorsement of Mr. Trump.”

    Backbiter!

  • Free Republic Caucus 2016 03/17

    03/16/2016 9:15:03 PM PDT · 32 of 211
    greyfoxx39 to DoughtyOne

    Vote Trump.

  • Free Republic Caucus 2016 03/14

    03/14/2016 10:05:05 AM PDT · 185 of 273
    greyfoxx39 to DoughtyOne

    Vote Trump

  • LIVE THREAD:Press Conf @ 9am EST and rallies in St. Louis, MO @ 12:00pm CST and Chicago @ 6:00pm CST

    03/11/2016 4:39:27 PM PST · 625 of 1,476
    greyfoxx39 to nikos1121

    I am praying, and I, too am worried about something happening to Trump.

  • Confusion follows Trump flip-flop on key immigration issue

    03/10/2016 10:02:06 AM PST · 31 of 147
    greyfoxx39 to Mechanicos; Jim Robinson
    Another Anti-Trump Hit piece.

    ...from another National Review Online mouthpiece....