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  • Does evolution contradict creationism?

    01/06/2005 2:11:55 PM PST · 1,046 of 1,048
    Jehu to shubi
    Yes to God can do it anyway He wants. Whether God was some harried busybody creating every detail of life I don't know. Probably not. Seems to me God makes living things, including other beings of a high order. Maybe they had something to do about the blueprints of life. Everything (biological) on this earth appears to have been designed, and that at certain distinct stages. Thus blue-green algae to condition a proper atmosphere. When that is ready then the introduction of most of the forms of life...all at once. Later we have mammals and the environment that they are best suited for. Almost as if the earth was being specially prepared for us.

    I have stated my theological opposition to ToE. Simply that it discounts and stands in opposition to the doctrine of original sin and redemption. That may not mean anything to you. But if I accept that premise, then eventually I have no need of a Redeemer. It is why much of Christianity is weak. Just like the early Church, once you dilute the truth with the surrounding pagan belief systems, you loose the power and miracles of the early Church. You get the Dark Ages. Same thing IMO. You accept false theories, the pagan theory of ToE, of our day (disguised in the Priestly robes of science) and you weaken and eventually destroy your faith. You go ahead and do that, I refuse.
  • Does evolution contradict creationism?

    01/05/2005 2:54:38 PM PST · 1,042 of 1,048
    Jehu to shubi
    ToE does not "pretend" to explain speciation. It explains speciation insofar as our knowledge goes at this time. ToE postulates that a single cell is the common ancestor of all life on Earth. This is a Theory incorporated in the ToE called the Theory of Common Descent.

    Your previous two posts were telling me that ToE does not incorporate the idea (theory) of where life came from, but right here you tell me it does...sigh!

    There is not as much evidence for this as there is for the fact of evolution. There are other explanations that could work,

    Name them!

    but so far all indications are that a single cell developed into all the life you see on Earth. God was pretty smart to be able to do this, wasn't he?

    NO! The indications are that single-celled life first existed in the early seas, reduced the early atmosphere to an oxygen bearing atmosphere, capable of supporting multicellular life. Then about half a billion years ago life exploded into existence on this earth in almost all its basic forms...NOT a slow progression of ever more complex life. That is the evidence. Yours is an interpretation of that evidence, through an already convinced mind that evolution is a "fact!" Maybe it did work that way, but the evidence is against ToE and for special creation. If God is the problem for science, then don't even mention Him, but at least interpret the data as it is, not as you want it to be...that is not science.
  • Does evolution contradict creationism?

    01/05/2005 7:19:34 AM PST · 1,037 of 1,048
    Jehu to shubi
    ToE infers life arose entirely by materialistic processes. It is still shown as such in primary school textbooks. The story of life crawling out of the slime is all from YOUR side of the isle. Sorry but you evolutionists tarred yourself with this brush, you will have to live with the results.

    If ToE pretends to explain speciation, then at what species does it start the story? Frogs? Lizards? Trilobites? Algae? Funny you guys massage this theory to AVOID and EVADE the evidence of the discoveries of science since Darwin.

    This theory was only credible for about 30 or 40 years. And it is YOU guys that have to invent incredible variations of this theory to account for the real evidience of the fossil record which (against all your protests) still indicates the sudden appearance (creation?) of species. And no transitory species that are not simply labeling games by the devout.
  • Does evolution contradict creationism?

    01/04/2005 6:33:58 AM PST · 1,031 of 1,048
    Jehu to Jehu
    "My concept of God is based on a study of the Bible and fact."

    The Pharisees could say the same. Great rock throwers at God also. Your intellect is darkened, you will never come to a knowledge of God though study. It is why you are enraptured by ToE. It massages a fallen intellect but does nothing for your faith. Ask Darwin's wife.
  • Does evolution contradict creationism?

    01/04/2005 6:28:59 AM PST · 1,030 of 1,048
    Jehu to shubi
    Your TOE is as divorced from reality as you are in your worship of a conveniently distant creator
  • Does evolution contradict creationism?

    01/04/2005 6:26:58 AM PST · 1,028 of 1,048
    Jehu to Thatcherite
    My humor and invective are BOTH better than your understanding of physical processes, or you science. Something like a human city has everything to do with biology, evolutionary or not. A city is built by us, (biological beings). A city is designed (although most very badly)

    A single cell within any of us is far more complex, purposeful, and DESIGNED than any human city. It does things beyond its own capabilities, or in organization with other cells beyond its own capacity to know what, or why, it would do such a thing.

    A single cell in the eye knows nothing of quantum waves, or photons, but in concert with various other cells, working synchronously at amazing speeds and with the human brain it assimilates billions of photons per second, adjusts for color, contrast, brightness, depth, flips the image 180 degrees and constructs them into a real-time video of the external world, and this without a conscious thought all day long.

    That anyone in this day and age could pretend that this SYSTEM is NOT designed is a fool. You can call that invective, but I think it is an OBVIOUS truth only lost on devotees to the temple of evolution.

    Why should I be easy on any of you? You have accepted a lie, (for you own reasons). Fine...but you proselyte others into your doctrines and do not allow the truth to be taught, and you pervert and limit the biological sciences. You are the false prophets of this age.
  • Does evolution contradict creationism?

    01/04/2005 6:10:12 AM PST · 1,026 of 1,048
    Jehu to shubi
    Read Romans...see what the Scripture says about those that WORSHIP the creature and creation rather than the creator. YOU are throwing rocks at God, even though subconsciously, or do you think sin is all a conscious act?

    My concept of God is based on Scripture, experiences, and observation of nature and life, and a knowledge of human history.

    If we are created in the image of God, then our emotions, feelings, desires, are some reflection of His, even though debased at this point. God does get mad...just like us (but in righteousness).

    And imagine this: You go to a lot of effort to build a beautiful house, invest a lot of time, money, resources, sweat and tears. You built this house specifically for somebody that you actually love...you did it as an act and showing of that love.

    They move in and not only do they trash your house, but they pretend that either the house always existed, or somebody else built it. They look right at you and while you show them the deed of ownership, and you pretend to not see or hear them. Maybe you are a far more elevated being, but if somebody did that to me, I would kick their ass, and kick them out of my house.
  • Does evolution contradict creationism?

    01/04/2005 5:57:22 AM PST · 1,025 of 1,048
    Jehu to shubi
    Yep we have...incredible isn't it? Tell me which came first the cell nucleus with its controlled water environment, controlled temperature range all built out of proteins, or the DNA, which specifies the proteins? And remember DNA is a very delicate substance, it has to have this controlled environment to function. Not to mention transcription processes and little factories to build the proteins...a process far more complex than any human factory...evolution has some splaing to due!
  • Does evolution contradict creationism?

    01/04/2005 5:51:57 AM PST · 1,024 of 1,048
    Jehu to shubi

    zip it!

  • Does evolution contradict creationism?

    01/04/2005 5:51:14 AM PST · 1,023 of 1,048
    Jehu to shubi
    And besides ENTIRELY missing my point...you point is?

    Like I was saying...cells within human organs produce proteins that are used by other cells they know nothing about, unless you want to speculate that cells have an extensive memory and actually know (are conscious) of what they are doing?

    Either way you have the problem in the evolutionary paradigm. If cells are conscious of what they are doing, and why they are doing it, and where to send the manufactured proteins, then where does that intelligence reside? From where did that come? It only speaks of purposeful design. If cells do not know why they are manufacturing proteins for other cells, then why (according to evolution) would they be doing something they have no way of knowing how, or if it benefits them?

    Either way you have intelligence on a cellular level that is beyond incredible, not to mention a communication and feedback system that would be more mysterious than God.

    Or you have a designed system that was fit together by a master designer for a purpose that it accomplishes far better than my example of Manhattan, which does know why it exists, what it manufactures, and where it sends the products. (Which was my orginal point...get it?) And that ONLY because it is inhabited and built and designed by intelligent beings...excepting the liberals and lawyers who basically fulfill the role of parasites.
  • Does evolution contradict creationism?

    01/03/2005 2:46:16 PM PST · 1,017 of 1,048
    Jehu to Thatcherite
    Yep! Went to NYC. I was contemplating the Island of Manhattan, which took human beings with all their industry and intelligencer and the resources of a great nation about 200 years to build. I had to keep jumping out of the way as new (little buildings) spontaneously erupted out of the sidewalk.

    And consider that Manhattan is FAR LESS COMPLEX than a single living cell, cannot self-replicate, nor repair itself. And does not produce products for distant cities it knows nothing about.
  • Does evolution contradict creationism?

    01/03/2005 9:25:30 AM PST · 1,015 of 1,048
    Jehu to Thatcherite
    If you guys can believe a blind stupid "force" allowed US to come about with our several trillion cells working in complete sychronicity, producing millions of proteins, duplicating themselves with an error rate of 1 gene error in 10 million copies. That "evolution developed the human brain, the five senses.

    That evolution dictated we loose our fur (to what evolutionary advantage?). And that we became upright with the loss of land speed due to the loss of two legs for locomotion. That all the specifics of every organ is contained within the genetic code in each and every cell...except the sex cells which only have half the genes of the individual. And that all the specific cells for every organ KNOW where to go to form the human body while still in the womb. That the human brain has more connections than all the telephone systems in the world put together, and those connections pre-wired in the genetic code.

    Well I guess I can EASILY believe the pre-flood earth existed in different physical circumstances than today, including an atmosphere that contained no dust or salt crystals so that moisture could precipitate as rain...never before seen until some change in the atmosphere, including the possible introduction of inter-stellar masses of water, earthquakes (look what one did under the Indian Ocean!) Water is still not drained from the land that was flooded!

    Also the Bible does not indicate if the flood was local or global, arguments are made for both viewpoints. The best arguments are for a flood, ONLY where man existed, since it was his sin that was being judged.

    Now you guys postulate a mechanism for all of speciation that nobody has ever observed, the fossil evidence is in direct contradiction to this theory...and yet you still believe in THIS theory, contrary to all the evidence, modern science, information theory, irreducible complexity, and just plain common sense that no natural processes can produce something as incredible as consciousness, or self-awareness. A quality that is obviously transcendental to sheer matter.

    And you base this belief, starting from a mediocre scientist from the 19th century who knew hardly anything about cells, nothing about DNA, who's own words about the fossil record have been falsified, and who believed in Lamarckian inheritance. Hardly a credible source to invest so much time and effort to prop up this rickety and moth-eaten theory. It's days are numbered, so is the hiding place for your unbelief. Agnostics and atheists will have to find a new way to throw rocks at God. Meanwhile many of us will give honor to God for the wonders of HIS creation. And we will marvel at the stupidity that unbelief can generate.
  • The Religious Cult of Evolution Fights Back

    12/23/2004 9:02:41 AM PST · 484 of 1,419
    Jehu to Admin Moderator

    They can dish it out.

  • The Religious Cult of Evolution Fights Back

    12/23/2004 9:01:36 AM PST · 483 of 1,419
    Jehu to js1138

    4 or five billion, probably. Try again.

  • The Religious Cult of Evolution Fights Back

    12/23/2004 8:57:54 AM PST · 479 of 1,419
    Jehu to js1138

    Baloney and Salami! Evolution DOES tread the ground theological, by denying teleology to explain impossibilities! That is why your's is the ONLY "so called" scientific discipline that has this fight with believers. Nobody has a problem with physics, or chemistry (actual real science). Science was birthed from Christianity, it belongs to believers, we are just taking it back now.

    Sorry we were asleep for 150 years and gave you the false impression that atheists could hijack what belongs to us. Without faith science is blind. It becomes nothing more than a holding pen for those that are enthralled by the lust of debate over process and tedium.

  • The Religious Cult of Evolution Fights Back

    12/23/2004 8:50:10 AM PST · 473 of 1,419
    Jehu to VadeRetro
    Can't you do your OWN research? I was just linking intellectual perversion with sexual perversion, in case you didn't get the point. I love aggravating you guys, you seem to love getting aggravated. All pompous in your faux outrage.
  • The Religious Cult of Evolution Fights Back

    12/23/2004 8:46:47 AM PST · 472 of 1,419
    Jehu to Shryke

    You guys throw rocks at MY God with every breathe and you're complaining about my Christianity? Come teach me something else that you know nothing about.

  • The Religious Cult of Evolution Fights Back

    12/23/2004 8:44:58 AM PST · 469 of 1,419
    Jehu to Shryke
    Problem is that if life is created evolution may be unnecessary and evolutionary biologists would have to work at Burger King.
  • The Religious Cult of Evolution Fights Back

    12/23/2004 8:42:06 AM PST · 467 of 1,419
    Jehu to Ichneumon

    Your point is....?

  • The Religious Cult of Evolution Fights Back

    12/23/2004 8:41:36 AM PST · 466 of 1,419
    Jehu to Ichneumon
    Nice word game, you ever try Scrabble?