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  • Carson says an apologetic Cruz asked for a meeting at debate (busTED)

    02/07/2016 9:58:42 AM PST · 227 of 386
    Kandy Atz to patq

    Carson’s behavior, playing the victim, has grown tiresome. If this is his plan to stay in the race, its pretty pathetic.

    For someone who continues to tell us how righteous he is, Carson sure has a hard time with forgiveness, especially when Cruz has apologized even when it was unnecessary.

  • Ted Cruz and the Body of Christ

    02/05/2016 7:59:14 AM PST · 25 of 39
    Kandy Atz to Kaslin
    "I don't know anyone who takes their religion seriously who would think that Jesus should rise from the grave and resurrect himself to serve Ted Cruz."

    Uh, He already did rise from the grave and made every Believer alive in Christ and gave us power to overcome the world in his name.

    Its comical listening to the religious, or the secular world trying to explain spiritual issues.

  • Team Carson furious with Cruz

    02/04/2016 12:19:25 PM PST · 310 of 353
    Kandy Atz to SeaHawkFan

    I agree.

  • Team Carson furious with Cruz

    02/04/2016 10:01:52 AM PST · 284 of 353
    Kandy Atz to xzins

    >>>Apparently, Carson himself disagrees with your take on it.<<<

    Yep, because he knows its ultimately HIS mistake. By digging in his heels and trying to make this into something way more than it is, he is trying to change the narrative, look tough, and cover for his campaign’s ineptitude. Because no matter what was or wasn’t said about his campaign - HE STARTED IT by sharing his inexplicable travel plans with the press. WHERE WAS THIS OUTRAGE when Trump was comparing him to a child molester, mocking his conversion story, and savagely ridiculing his character? THAT did far more damage to him as a candidate, both in Iowa and beyond, than anything that happened Monday night.

    His is not a winning strategy. The longer this stays out there, the more the truth will undermine him. And frankly, joining with Trump in this “dirty tricks in Iowa, we need a new caucus” shtick, will not broaden his base, and will likely alienate some of his supporters. He demanded an apology and received one. Its time to move on to New Hampshire.

  • Team Carson furious with Cruz

    02/04/2016 8:46:40 AM PST · 258 of 353
    Kandy Atz to xzins

    This is on Carson, the political novice. It was HIS campaign that made the decision to take a sabbatical in the middle of the first two primaries! AND THEN, reported it to the press, who rightly were flabbergasted that any serious candidate would take time off for “laundry day, nothing clean” and rightly inferred that he was done.

    I guarantee you when the whole truth comes out, every viable campaign in Iowa will be shown to have shared this information, because by the way it was reported on CNN, it certainly appeared that Carson had given up.

    However, IF I was a Carson supporter, there is no way I am changing my vote based on a 13th hour message shared by a competitor without verifying it first. Carson and Trump must think Iowans are too stupid to pull out their iphones and confirm this report! The technology is available there, and by all accounts they seem to be reasonably intelligent folks. My gosh this is Iowa, not NYC! The way they are being presented in this kerfuffle is insulting.

    Carson’s campaign made an epic mistake. He may have a very good reason for taking time off, but the optics are all wrong, and he mismanaged the media and his supporters. This is ALL on Carson, and his campaign. If this is the best message Trump and Carson have going forward, they are in YUUUUGE trouble.

    Cruz did not need to apologize. He did nothing wrong, nor did his staff. They simply shared what was being reported. But he is a gracious man, and did the right thing. Carson needs to man up to HIS mistake, apologize to his supporters, and move on. Maybe he can pray for a miracle at the prayer breakfast and salvage his campaign.

  • [From Sarah Palin] Dirty Politics: Witnessing Firsthand It's Always Heartbreaking, Never Surprising

    02/03/2016 10:26:31 AM PST · 113 of 311
    Kandy Atz to Charles Henrickson

    >>>>Would that be the same Dr. Carson that your guy, Trump, said was “pathological” like a “child molester”? <<<<<

    Trump also mocked Carson’s conversion story, and by extension most people of faith.

    “He goes into the bathroom for a couple of hours, and he comes out, and now he’s religious,” Trump said. “And the people of Iowa believe him. Give me a break. Give me a break. It doesn’t happen that way. It doesn’t happen that way. Don’t be fools, okay?”

    Trump claimed he knew more than the military.

    “I know more about ISIS than the generals do,” Trump said. “Believe me.”

    Called the people of Iowa stupid.

    Trump was flabbergasted: “How stupid are the people of Iowa? How stupid are the people of the country to believe this crap?”

    And he wonders why he tied with Amnesty Boy.

    If Sarah wants to get mad, why not take a closer look at who she supports. The selective outrage is quite revealing.

  • Carson claiming Cruz foul play - saying Cruz team told voters Carson was dropping out

    02/01/2016 11:07:35 PM PST · 65 of 121
    Kandy Atz to conservative98

    Wow, that is some dirty trick - reporting the news. Its amazing so many Carson supporters would suddenly change their minds over a CNN report announced by another campaign. I guess his supporters in Iowa were never that committed.

  • Trump Says He Will Debate Cruz Once Judge Deems Him Eligible to Run

    01/29/2016 3:44:28 PM PST · 177 of 187
    Kandy Atz to King of Florida

    It would seem that the legislature has clarified this issue a few times already, and we have precedent with English law that children of citizens born abroad are citizens at birth (Natural Born, God-made) as opposed to naturalized (by the state or man). If there is even a shred of evidence that Ted Cruz was ever naturalized, then you have something. Otherwise, its a bunch of election deception. His place of birth has never been hidden or in question.

    I think we put too much already in the hands of unelected judges, especially when it is WE THE PEOPLE through our representatives who make law. The judiciary has grown far more powerful than the Framers ever intended. I would rather not give them any chance to legislate/pontificate from the bench, or any more power than what the Constitution allows. Until some of the nutcases sitting on the bench now are retired, I would prefer to keep everything out of their hands.

    The Birther issue with Obama went way beyond the place of birth. His whole nativity story was an ever changing narrative designed to confuse the issue and discredit anyone searching for the truth. We may never know the real story.

  • Trump Says He Will Debate Cruz Once Judge Deems Him Eligible to Run

    01/29/2016 11:31:59 AM PST · 76 of 187
    Kandy Atz to Mechanicos

    And just like your typical progressive, Trump wants the courts to get involved and overrule the will of the people, and reimagine the law in his favor.

    Trump is no idiot, but he acts like one, especially on this birther issue. He knows Cruz is eligible, and his continued efforts to push this issue is going to hurt him more than it will hurt Ted Cruz.

  • Our Unity in the Spirit

    01/28/2016 12:32:11 PM PST · 6 of 6
    Kandy Atz to metmom


    If folks would set aside their religious beliefs and live this TRUTH, the Body would be healthy, united, and vibrant, and more effectively fulfill God’s perfect plan individually and corporately. 1 Corinthians 12 brings even more clarity - the Body is made up of many parts with different functions and Anointings. They are placed in the Body by God, not religion. - But in fact God has placed the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. (v 18 - NIV)

    We may never have perfect unity in doctrine before Jesus returns, but we can certainly have unity in the Spirit.

    From Romans 8 (NIV):

    5 Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires.

    14 For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.

  • Who Is The Real Ted Cruz?

    01/26/2016 3:25:00 PM PST · 21 of 53
    Kandy Atz to BlackFemaleArmyCaptain
    ...secured big sweetheart loans from...

    I once secured a loan from my 401k. Is that considered a "big sweetheart" loan?

  • Prof DEBUNKS study claiming right-wing extremists in U.S. more deadly than Islamic terrorists

    01/21/2016 2:43:38 PM PST · 12 of 16
    Kandy Atz to presidio9

    Conservatives are united by a belief in the rule of law and small government. Christians are governed by the Law of Love. In 50 years of interacting with both groups, I have never heard anyone advocate terrorism.

    There is no rightwing or leftwing. There are those who believe in Liberty, and those who believe in tyranny. The KKK was a democrat invention intent on subverting the law. Nazis and neo-Nazis are socialists, and therefore kissin’ cousins of the socialists in the DNC. Environmentalists, anarchists, black lies matter, weather underground and on and on are neither Christian or Conservative, and certainly don’t believe in Liberty.

    Finding that mythical Conservative Christian terrorist will prove to be quite difficult.

  • Playboy Mansion FOR SALE ($200 million asking price) But Hef Gets to Stay

    01/09/2016 3:37:09 PM PST · 27 of 76
    Kandy Atz to Zakeet

    Its been a few years since I was there for an event, but I thought the house looked pretty nice on the outside - guests were allowed everywhere except the main house. The grounds are gorgeous.

  • Megyn Kelly claims Trump tried to 'woo' her before he announced he was running for president

    01/04/2016 11:52:25 AM PST · 35 of 164
    Kandy Atz to CedarDave

    She asked some really stupid and inappropriate questions at the GOP debate. It was done to attack Trump, but also diminish all the candidates, and the debate itself.

    I would like to know why the GOP would ever again invite any of these media troglodytes to host their debate. Surely, we can do better.

  • Cruz urges armed protesters in Oregon to 'stand down'

    01/04/2016 10:56:58 AM PST · 45 of 363
    Kandy Atz to ObozoMustGo2012

    This administration is itching for a violent confrontation especially with “white extremists” and we should be careful not to hand it to them on a silver platter. All those government agencies bought tons of ammo for a reason. When the socialists are in power, they have shown an eagerness to turn their weapons on the people. I still have the image of Janet Reno/Clinton torching women and children with tanks in Waco seared into my mind. This administration is far more evil and highly motivated to prove they are tough on anyone except actual criminals and terrorists. And its the perfect “crisis” to push for more gun confiscation and regulations.

    A peaceful settlement in favor of the Hammonds would be far preferable to an armed confrontation.

  • Ted Cruz is just like his clothes: carefully thought out, ill-fitting and unlikable (barf alert!)

    12/25/2015 8:39:04 AM PST · 65 of 110
    Kandy Atz to Isara

    “Cruz’s father, Rafael, has been brainwashing his son since he was about four years old to believe he’s “gifted above any man he knows” and “destined by God for greatness”, the kinds of delusions...”

    Because as we all know, its so much better telling kids they will never amount to anything, that racism abounds in America, an evil nation that causes suffering around the world, that the best you can hope for will only be what you can get get from government, if only the mean Conservatives don’t stop it first.

    I wish more parents would plant God’s Word into the hearts of their children, teach them to dream, work hard, because in a free country and with God’s Blessing, truly there is no limit. If more children were raised this way, we would have more lot more Ted Cruz and Ben Carson success stories, and not half the country dependent on their fellow taxpayers.

  • Ted Cruz Sees a Donald Trump Showdown Looming

    12/23/2015 8:49:53 PM PST · 50 of 62
    Kandy Atz to ripnbang

    ME - If you are still sitting on the fence after the last 8 years, unable to decide which is better Liberty or Tyranny, you probably should not vote.

    YOU - You’re making the assumption they know what the different is. There’s been many people raised/schooled in the past 25-30 years to believe that free stuff is best.

    Good point. This is where Reagan really shined. He believed in Conservatism and loved this country. He could make the complicated simple, and relate to the average voter. The GOP struggles because too many don’t believe in Liberty. Therefore, they cannot explain Conservatism, nor are they passionate about the Constitution, rule of law, or individual liberty. Instead, they chase these mythical moderate hordes by attempting to move to the left, and the Democrats always win that battle.

  • Ted Cruz Sees a Donald Trump Showdown Looming

    12/23/2015 6:40:46 PM PST · 28 of 62
    Kandy Atz to mrsmith

    I would really like to know how many true moderates exist in this country. And better still, how many of those actually vote.

    If you are still sitting on the fence after the last 8 years, unable to decide which is better Liberty or Tyranny, you probably should not vote.

  • Huckabee Slams Cruz For Telling Donor Fighting Gay Marriage isn't 'Top-Three Priority'

    12/23/2015 6:19:37 PM PST · 3 of 182
    Kandy Atz to Helicondelta

    Is Politico paying people to share this non-story? I have seen it posted everywhere today.

  • Why Christmas Is Celebrated at Night

    12/23/2015 12:36:12 PM PST · 34 of 178
    Kandy Atz to metmom

    The Jewish day is reckoned from sundown to sundown. Although I agree with everything else you wrote, I think we need to consider the differences in how a day is viewed in Israel.

    Born after sundown(?) the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles (Bullinger dates it Sept 29, 4 BC) and the angels make the announcement to the shepherds later that same night? — “The Circumcision of our Lord took place therefore on the eighth day, the last day of the Feast, the “Great Day of the Feast” of John 7.37.” From Bullinger below.

    Night would be from sunset to sunrise, and still the same day.

    Night was divided into watches - according to Bullinger Appendix 51
    New Testament.
    First Watch, 6 p.m. to 9 p.m.
    Second Watch, 9 p.m. to midnight.
    Third Watch, midnight to 3 a.m.
    Fourth Watch, 3 a.m. to 6 a.m.

    Interesting topic that I had not so carefully considered.

    Note in the link that Bullinger dates the “begetting” as 12/25 5 BC - Gives a true Biblical reason to celebrate the Word becoming flesh on December 25 and setting aside the pagan influences associated with this date.

    DATES OF “THE BEGETTING” AND THE NATIVITY - Bullinger Companion Bible Appendix 179



    12/22/2015 9:29:00 AM PST · 44 of 59
    Kandy Atz to knarf

    Better to show them the difference between God, who is Love, and the god of this world.

    John 10:10 NIV
    10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I (Jesus) have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.

    Matthew 7:17-20 NIV
    17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
    18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
    19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
    20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

    1 John 1:5-6 NIV
    5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.
    6 If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth.

    John 8:43-45 NIV
    43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say.
    44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
    45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me!

  • Donald Trump's Political Stroke of Genius : GOP Debate Apology to Ted Cruz and Scalia! (VANITY)

    12/15/2015 3:52:34 PM PST · 106 of 111
    Kandy Atz to higgmeister

    If THAT has your panties in wad, you need to take off your Trump flavored earphones and grow up. This is nothing but a ginned up controversy to bring strife between Trump and Cruz.

    Thank you for sharing the audio, as it more thoroughly proves my point.

  • Donald Trump's Political Stroke of Genius : GOP Debate Apology to Ted Cruz and Scalia! (VANITY)

    12/15/2015 2:58:48 PM PST · 104 of 111
    Kandy Atz to higgmeister

    I see no comparison between this situation and 1964. The world is a different place. The state run media no longer has a monopoly on information. They are now competing with hundreds of news sources, blogs, talk radio, and networks. And the people who do vote, are frankly far better informed today, than when ABC/CBS/NBC controlled the narrative. Hillary is going to have to run defensively. She has no accomplishments, and only scandals in her past. She cannot run as a woman of peace, or as someone strong enough to defeat ISIS. She cannot even run on diplomacy as her time as SOS was a major disaster. Her irrational outbursts are legendary, and so she can’t even campaign as the more reasonable choice. Splash a little water of truth on her and she will melt.

    What Cruz said, again in a PRIVATE fundraiser, is in no way an attack. Calling someone a maniac on a national tv interview is an attack. And the fact that he borrowed progressive talking points shows very poor judgment - as pointed out by Limbaugh, Levin and others. The left is going to be nasty no matter what. What both candidates must remember is that they stand no chance to win if they alienate the Conservative grassroots. If they don’t get them motivated, its over. Calling the biggest champion for Conservative principles in the Senate a maniac does not make Trump look more appealing. It reinforces an opinion that he is like many progressives, who will do and say whatever it takes to win.

    Suggesting you are more qualified to be POTUS than the competition is simply a contrast. I will stick to that assessment unless someone produces audio or video proof beyond what the article quotes. I have heard Cruz speak often, and noted that he has rarely attacked his competition, including Trump, even when it was the popular thing to do.

    We should not fear Hillary at all. You nominate any decent Conservative and she will lose in a landslide. She is not even liked in her own party, although the devout left would vote for Satan if he was on the ticket. Instead, they will have to settle for one of his minions.

    The only way the GOP loses is if Trump’s ego gets the best of him and he pulls a Perot, going 3rd party. I am personally eager to see the field dramatically shrink and see a substantive debate between Trump and Cruz. I think only good could come from that scenario.

  • Donald Trump's Political Stroke of Genius : GOP Debate Apology to Ted Cruz and Scalia! (VANITY)

    12/15/2015 12:09:18 PM PST · 88 of 111
    Kandy Atz to higgmeister

    That is the most benign “attack” in the history of American politics. He did not even mention Trump by name in the quotes supplied. I would expect every candidate believes they are more qualified than the others to be POTUS.

    Trump’s leftist-inspired tirade against Cruz was unwarranted. I understand why he did it - Iowa was slipping away. But it harms him far more than it helps. As I posted earlier, it was a tactical blunder in an otherwise strong campaign.

    There is a difference between asking who might be more qualified at a private fundraiser, and calling someone a maniac on national television.

    These two have had a cordial campaign thus far and both benefitted from this. At some point they will have to point out the differences between them to voters. This can be done tactfully, as there are plenty of people like myself who would prefer Cruz, but hold little animosity towards Trump at present, and appreciate his pushing the narrative in the right direction.

    In the end, there can be only one. For the good of the country, may it be the very best, and ideally the most Conservative of the bunch.

  • Ted Cruz's "Personality Problem"

    12/13/2015 10:30:11 PM PST · 71 of 88
    Kandy Atz to JSDude1

    Cruz has a “personality problem” because the media and pundits keep telling us about it. If you meet him in person, or hear him unedited and without the media spin, you see how ridiculous their narrative is.

    IMHO, Trump made a yuuuge tactical blunder attacking Cruz on this.

  • Trump: You Should Ban Islamists, Not Muslims

    12/13/2015 7:14:49 PM PST · 8 of 63
    Kandy Atz to Olog-hai

    Throw it back in their face. The left is pro-terrorist.

  • How do you square your Christian faith with hatred of Muslims? (VANITY)

    12/10/2015 8:42:55 AM PST · 143 of 207
    Kandy Atz to Drawsing

    I apologize for posting to you. Not sure how that happened. It was meant to go to all.

  • How do you square your Christian faith with hatred of Muslims? (VANITY)

    12/10/2015 8:36:48 AM PST · 142 of 207
    Kandy Atz to Drawsing

    Why do muslims hate Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists, Jews, Women, Children, Homosexuals, Western Civilization, Freedom, and even each other?

    Why does the “religion of peace” always get a pass no matter what horrific thing they do? Its not like 9/11 was an isolated event. For 1400 years, the followers of Mad Mo have been stealing, killing, raping, enslaving, and destroying nations all over the planet. At what point does the civilized world, no matter what belief system they call home, say enough?

    The fact that islam kills more muslims than any other group, reveals the necessity for it to be stopped by any means necessary for the sake of humanity. How many more muslim women will be stoned, or have acid thrown in their face? How many more girls will be mutilated, or be victims of “honor” killings? How many more boys will be molested? How many more wars will be fought between sunni and shia factions? How many more homosexuals will be tossed off of buildings? How many more children will grow up learning how to make an IED or use an AK-47 before they can write a sentence?

    When will islam answer these questions?

  • How do you square your Christian faith with hatred of Muslims? (VANITY)

    12/10/2015 8:01:51 AM PST · 139 of 207
    Kandy Atz to RavenATB
    I’m getting bored with people who equate opposition as “hatred.”

    AMEN! AMEN!! AMEN!!! Just made a similar rant last night on social media when people kept posting about Conservatives and their supposed hate. Its a typical progressive/socialist tactic to silence or shame the opposition, and it should be resisted vigorously while the 1st Amendment still exists.

  • Vanity:Sick of posts where EITHER Cruz or Trump is torn down (by extention Freepers insult others)

    12/09/2015 10:33:40 AM PST · 50 of 115
    Kandy Atz to JSDude1

    The media keeps referring to the “hate” of Trump’s rhetoric. Try reading some of the hate thrown around just on GOP or Conservative forums towards certain GOP candidates. Its ridiculous. We have a handful of good candidates, and plenty of time for the cream to rise. This election is too important to nominate another McRomDole. We need a Leader, someone who is a very clear contrast to the socialist we will face from the left.

    Let’s talk about the issues, compare and contrast candidate’s positions, but acting like the left is unacceptable. There is no reason to lie about a candidate, spread rumors, or ridicule. Conservatives are better than that. I have challenged people on other forums to stop that type of behavior, and often questioned their true intentions and loyalty.

    There are a few GOP candidates I would never support. But I do not “hate” them, and I bet there might be one or two issues where we could find common ground. I look forward to more debates and the primaries. And I hope by the time Texans vote, the nominee has not been picked for us by the GOPe or the media.

  • Regardless of Canadian birth, Ted Cruz survives ballot challenge in New Hampshire

    11/25/2015 10:09:03 AM PST · 3 of 75
    Kandy Atz to Isara

    If only the parties and media been so curious about the background of the current occupant of the White House.

  • Ok, I Admit It: I Was Wrong About Ted Cruz

    11/25/2015 8:35:32 AM PST · 14 of 68
    Kandy Atz to Isara

    Hillary is a loser and even the Democrats know it. Heck, she lost the crown to an unknown junior Senator from Chicago, who can’t even address a crowd without a teleprompter! Where has this myth of the mighty Hildabeast come from? She is a proven liar, surrounded by scandals, and a likely traitor to this nation. If the GOP can’t find a candidate to beat such a flawed person, it does not deserve any respect.

    Any true CONSERVATIVE candidate should win easily against Hillary. You run a moderate, or if Trump were to go third party, say hello to President Clinton.

  • Purgatory is Based on a Promise of Jesus

    11/13/2015 9:52:59 AM PST · 528 of 529
    Kandy Atz to af_vet_1981

    Instead of worrying about what church I attend, why not simply read Revelation for yourself, especially the first three chapters. Note the OT references, the Jewish idioms, the names used for Jesus that can’t be found in Paul’s prison epistles. So much has to do with the Earth, which prophetically belongs to Israel, while the Body of Christ is blessed with all SPIRITUAL Blessings in Heavenly places. Jesus is the Head of the Body or joint heir with Believers, in Revelation He is the Son of Man and King of the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth. In this dispensation we are not contending with Jews who are of the synagogue of Satan - that language has no place in the Body where there is neither Jew or Greek.

    It takes a whole lot of twisting and contorting to read the Body of Christ into Revelation, especially the assemblies being discussed in John’s vision of the DAY OF THE LORD.

    Look at the title - The Revelation of Jesus Christ - Which group(s) need Jesus revealed? Born Again, Spirit-filled Believers who are made alive in Christ and seated in Heavenly Places in Christ Jesus? The nations (Gentiles)? Or Israel? Its not a complicated question.

    I could keep going, but somehow I doubt it would make a difference. Your default position is that your religion’s opinion is always right. My default position is God’s Word is Truth. I believe I am on more solid ground, and would prefer to keep digging to know His Truth, even if it means setting aside religious traditions and sacred cows passed down through the ages. If it is not the inspired Word of God, it is suspect.

    As I said earlier, ALL the Bible is FOR the Body of Christ. Not all of it is written TO or ABOUT the Body of Christ. One of the problems with religion is they like to pick and choose what they believe, often selecting and incorrectly applying verses that belong exclusively to Israel, to the Body of Christ. If you know who you are IN CHRIST, you will immediately note some significant differences between that, and what Is described in Revelation. In fact, they will contradict each other. How do you reconcile these differences without violating God’s Word?

    Every jot and tittle is there for a reason. It is written to be revealed and understood, even by the simple. It is alive and powerful, just as much as when it was first inspired by God and written by His chosen instruments. The Word MUST be rightly divided. You will quickly end up in the religious ditch if you cannot recognize to WHOM a book is addressed.

    “It shall greatly help ye to understand Scripture if thou mark not only what is spoken or wrythen, but of whom and to whom, with what words, at what time, where, to what intent, with what circumstances, considering what goeth before and what followeth after.” ~ Miles Coverdale (1488-1569)

  • Purgatory is Based on a Promise of Jesus

    11/12/2015 11:06:58 PM PST · 521 of 529
    Kandy Atz to af_vet_1981

    Of all the things to question regarding my post... Yes, it was diabolic plan to see if you actually read the Bible. I should have followed your example, and posted verses in such a way to make it difficult for others to read them, or check the accuracy of what was posted, say like in an odd format, awkward color, or in an illegible font size. Dagnabbit, you caught me.

    2 To the angel (messenger) of the assembly (church) in Ephesus write: These are the words of Him Who holds the seven stars [which are the messengers of the seven churches] in His right hand, Who goes about among the seven golden lampstands [which are the seven churches]:

    2 I know your industry and activities, laborious toil and trouble, and your patient endurance, and how you cannot tolerate wicked [men] and have tested and critically appraised those who call [themselves] apostles (special messengers of Christ) and yet are not, and have found them to be impostors and liars.

    3 I know you are enduring patiently and are bearing up for My name’s sake, and you have not fainted or become exhausted or grown weary.

    4 But I have this [one charge to make] against you: that you have left (abandoned) the love that you had at first [you have deserted Me, your first love].

    5 Remember then from what heights you have fallen. Repent (change the inner man to meet God’s will) and do the works you did previously [when first you knew the Lord], or else I will visit you and remove your lampstand from its place, unless you change your mind and repent.

    6 Yet you have this [in your favor and to your credit]: you hate the works of the Nicolaitans [what they are doing as corrupters of the people], which I Myself also detest.

    7 He who is able to hear, let him listen to and give heed to what the Spirit says to the assemblies (churches). To him who overcomes (is victorious), I will grant to eat [of the fruit] of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.

    That is straight from Gateway which apparently has two AMP versions. I assume I have the older version on my laptop. Does not change a thing in my post either way. Scope of Revelation, context, and word use provides compelling evidence to the point.

    I am not trying to claim anything. I am letting the Word of God speak. Do you have ears to hear? The Word declares that John was called to minister to the Jews (or circumcision - see Galatians 2:9 - James, Cephas and John, those esteemed as pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me. They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, and they to the circumcised.) This being so, who is John likely addressing in Revelation when he is discussing the Day of the Lord, establishment of the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth, and the 2nd Advent, all prophetic events most directly concerning Israel? Add to that the other evidence I presented and the case is quite solid. Was John being instructed to write a letter to an ANGEL (a divine messenger), or a messenger (Shaliach Tzibbur, of the Synagogue)? Why would John need to write to an ANGELIC Being as your new AMP version suggests?

    They are not churches, but assemblies (ekklésia). The letters talk about works, which as shown in my earlier post, contradicts Paul’s letter to the Ephesians. SO, either this is addressed to another body, or another dispensation, or both. You decide. Or as Paul writes...

    1 Corinthians 2:12-13 (KJV)
    12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
    13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

    God’s Word is Truth. It is there to be revealed.

    2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV)
    15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    Or as the older AMP puts it...

    2 Timothy 2:15 (AMP)
    15 Study and be eager and do your utmost to present yourself to God approved (tested by trial), a workman who has no cause to be ashamed, correctly analyzing and accurately dividing [rightly handling and skillfully teaching] the Word of Truth.

  • Purgatory is Based on a Promise of Jesus

    11/12/2015 11:28:54 AM PST · 513 of 529
    Kandy Atz to af_vet_1981

    The “angel” or messenger is the Shaliach Tzibbur, of the Synagogue, or Jewish prayer leader. This title was understood by Jewish readers, but quite foreign to Gentile ears. And it has nothing to do with the Body of Christ.

    Even a cursory comparison of Paul’s letter to the Ephesians, to what is written here to the “angel” at Ephesus, should give anyone pause. Either Paul was contradicting Jesus, or Revelation is for a different audience and/or dispensation.

    The difference between Ephesians, and all of Paul’s later letters, to the letter to Ephesus (and Revelation in general) is profound. Its night and day, judgment versus Grace, and wrath instead of Love.

    Revelation 2:1-7 (AMP)
    1 TO THE angel (messenger) of the assembly (church) in Ephesus write: These are the words of Him Who holds the seven stars [which are the messengers of the seven churches] in His right hand, Who goes about among the seven golden lampstands [which are the seven churches]:
    2 I know your industry and activities, laborious toil and trouble, and your patient endurance, and how you cannot tolerate wicked [men] and have tested and critically appraised those who call [themselves] apostles (special messengers of Christ) and yet are not, and have found them to be impostors and liars.
    3 I know you are enduring patiently and are bearing up for My name’s sake, and you have not fainted or become exhausted or grown weary.
    4 But I have this [one charge to make] against you: that you have left (abandoned) the love that you had at first [you have deserted Me, your first love].
    5 Remember then from what heights you have fallen. Repent (change the inner man to meet God’s will) and do the works you did previously [when first you knew the Lord], or else I will visit you and remove your lampstand from its place, unless you change your mind and repent.
    6 Yet you have this [in your favor and to your credit]: you hate the works of the Nicolaitans [what they are doing as corrupters of the people], which I Myself also detest.
    7 He who is able to hear, let him listen to and give heed to what the Spirit says to the assemblies (churches). To him who overcomes (is victorious), I will grant to eat [of the fruit] of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.

    Now compare THAT to Paul’s Revelation to the Body of Christ.

    Ephesians 2:4-10 (AMP)
    4 But God—so rich is He in His mercy! Because of and in order to satisfy the great and wonderful and intense love with which He loved us,
    5 Even when we were dead (slain) by [our own] shortcomings and trespasses, He made us alive together in fellowship and in union with Christ; [He gave us the very life of Christ Himself, the same new life with which He quickened Him, for] it is by grace (His favor and mercy which you did not deserve) that you are saved (delivered from judgment and made partakers of Christ’s salvation).
    6 And He raised us up together with Him and made us sit down together [giving us joint seating with Him] in the heavenly sphere [by virtue of our being] in Christ Jesus (the Messiah, the Anointed One).
    7 He did this that He might clearly demonstrate through the ages to come the immeasurable (limitless, surpassing) riches of His free grace (His unmerited favor) in [His] kindness and goodness of heart toward us in Christ Jesus.
    8 For it is by free grace (God’s unmerited favor) that you are saved (delivered from judgment and made partakers of Christ’s salvation) through [your] faith. And this [salvation] is not of yourselves [of your own doing, it came not through your own striving], but it is the gift of God;
    9 Not because of works [not the fulfillment of the Law’s demands], lest any man should boast. [It is not the result of what anyone can possibly do, so no one can pride himself in it or take glory to himself.]
    10 For we are God’s [own] handiwork (His workmanship), recreated in Christ Jesus, [born anew] that we may do those good works which God predestined (planned beforehand) for us [taking paths which He prepared ahead of time], that we should walk in them [living the good life which He prearranged and made ready for us to live].

    To further confirm this point, consider OT references in Revelation. Matthew and Hebrews represent two of the most “Jewish” books in the NT. There you find 92 and 102 references to the OT respectively. In Revelation, there are 285. Even though written in Greek, the Hebrew nature of Revelation, the imagery and expressions, cannot be denied. This connects the book back to the OT, and Israel. Revelation is FOR the Body of Christ, but not written TO or ABOUT us. Proceed with great caution attempting to apply what John writes in Revelation, to the Body of Christ as described by Paul.

    The very 1st chapter spells out to whom the book is written - servants, a name which peculiarly belongs to Israel. You will not find that name applied to the Body of Christ. In fact, you will note specific verses confirming this change, reaching its glorious conclusion in Paul’s prison letters.

    John 15:15 (AMP)
    15 I do not call you servants (slaves) any longer, for the servant does not know what his master is doing (working out). But I have called you My friends, because I have made known to you everything that I have heard from My Father. [I have revealed to you everything that I have learned from Him.]

    2 Corinthians 6:17-18 (AMP)
    17 So, come out from among [unbelievers], and separate (sever) yourselves from them, says the Lord, and touch not [any] unclean thing; then I will receive you kindly and treat you with favor,
    18 And I will be a Father to you, and you shall be My sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty.

    Galatians 4:7 (AMP)
    7 Therefore, you are no longer a slave (bond servant) but a son; and if a son, then [it follows that you are] an heir by the aid of God, through Christ.

    Romans 8:14-16 (AMP)
    14 For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
    15 For [the Spirit which] you have now received [is] not a spirit of slavery to put you once more in bondage to fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption [the Spirit producing sonship] in [the bliss of] which we cry, Abba (Father)! Father!
    16 The Spirit Himself [thus] testifies together with our own spirit, [assuring us] that we are children of God.

    Ephesians 1:5-6 (AMP)
    5 For He foreordained us (destined us, planned in love for us) to be adopted (revealed) as His own children through Jesus Christ, in accordance with the purpose of His will [because it pleased Him and was His kind intent]—
    6 [So that we might be] to the praise and the commendation of His glorious grace (favor and mercy), which He so freely bestowed on us in the Beloved.

    Not sure how anyone could read Ephesians, Philippians, or Colossians, three of the books written specifically to, about, AND for the Body of Christ, and think it necessary to suffer or work their way to righteousness, in this life, or the next. We are HIS workmanship, made alive and COMPLETE in Christ, seated in Heavenly places in Christ Jesus. Its a glorious Truth that should be celebrated, not debated and reasoned away, looking for ways to prove that God’s Grace is insufficient. That somehow, the work of Jesus was incomplete. What could a mere mortal do, in this life or the next, that would surpass what Jesus has already done? Believe God’s Word, plant it in your heart. Let it mature in you so His Truth will manifest inside. Then you can truly enjoy all that God HAS DONE for you.

  • 56 ‘faith-based’ groups, led by Catholics for Choice, urged Senate to fund Planned Parenthood

    11/12/2015 9:29:05 AM PST · 15 of 19
    Kandy Atz to markomalley

    Since I was raised in the Methodist Church I took a closer look at the Methodist group. From their website - “MFSA is accountable to its Board of Directors, and is supported entirely by annual memberships and contributions. MFSA is not an official United Methodist body.” As I suspected, its a handful of ne’er do wells with a fax machine misrepresenting themselves as the entire body. Typical deceptive socialist tactics.

    Again from their website - “By the numbers - 3532 Facebook followers, 1503 individual donors, 6 interns, 3.5(?) staff members, 18 congregations providing support.” And also “receives no apportionment funding from the United Methodist Church.”

    There are over 7 million Methodists in the United States, so this group is hardly representative of the entire body. I suspect many of the groups on this list are similar.

    Religion has enough problems already without endorsing sexual perversion, abortion, global warming, and socialism.

    There are over 150 million professing Christians in the United States. If those folks would allow the Holy Spirit to guide them in the voting booth, we would change the course of this nation in a couple of election cycles.

  • NCAA, UNC want lawsuit over fake classes dismissed

    11/11/2015 5:13:02 PM PST · 5 of 13
    Kandy Atz to The_Media_never_lie

    SURELY this case merits the most serious punishment possible - the NCAA death penalty.

  • God Wants His Children Healed

    11/06/2015 3:16:53 PM PST · 6 of 22
    Kandy Atz to Frank Broom

    I thank Him every day for all His promises. He has pulled my feet out of the fire so many times. His Word is Truth!!

    1 Praise the Lord, my soul; all my inmost being, praise his holy name. 2 Praise the Lord, my soul, and forget not all his benefits 3 who forgives all your sins and heals all your diseases, 4 who redeems your life from the pit and crowns you with love and compassion, 5 who satisfies your desires with good things so that your youth is renewed like the eagle’s. Psalm 103:1-5 NIV

  • Purgatory is Based on a Promise of Jesus

    11/04/2015 11:11:52 AM PST · 195 of 529
    Kandy Atz to Springfield Reformer
    If we abide in Him, we have that righteousness that exceeds that of the Pharisees. It is really ours. It is an utterly transcendent righteousness, because it is the righteousness of the Son of God, and you simply cannot do better than that.


    Romans 3:20-28 (AMP)

    20 For no person will be justified (made righteous, acquitted, and judged acceptable) in His sight by observing the works prescribed by the Law. For [the real function of] the Law is to make men recognize and be conscious of sin [not mere perception, but an acquaintance with sin which works toward repentance, faith, and holy character].

    21 But now the righteousness of God has been revealed independently and altogether apart from the Law, although actually it is attested by the Law and the Prophets,

    22 Namely, the righteousness of God which comes by believing with personal trust and confident reliance on Jesus Christ (the Messiah). [And it is meant] for all who believe. For there is no distinction,

    23 Since all have sinned and are falling short of the honor and glory which God bestows and receives.

    24 [All] are justified and made upright and in right standing with God, freely and gratuitously by His grace (His unmerited favor and mercy), through the redemption which is [provided] in Christ Jesus,

    25 Whom God put forward [before the eyes of all] as a mercy seat and propitiation by His blood [the cleansing and life-giving sacrifice of atonement and reconciliation, to be received] through faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in His divine forbearance He had passed over and ignored former sins without punishment.

    26 It was to demonstrate and prove at the present time (in the now season) that He Himself is righteous and that He justifies and accepts as righteous him who has [true] faith in Jesus.

    27 Then what becomes of [our] pride and [our] boasting? It is excluded (banished, ruled out entirely). On what principle? [On the principle] of doing good deeds? No, but on the principle of faith.

    28 For we hold that a man is justified and made upright by faith independent of and distinctly apart from good deeds (works of the Law). [The observance of the Law has nothing to do with justification.]

  • Purgatory is Based on a Promise of Jesus

    11/02/2015 3:59:33 PM PST · 105 of 529
    Kandy Atz to Salvation

    Either you are COMPLETE IN CHRIST, or not. There is no other choice. Either you are a child of God, or a child of disobedience, again there is no other choice. Either you are made alive in Christ and seated in Heavenly places in Christ Jesus, or you are spiritually dead. You WERE in darkness, but now you are children of the Light! (Romans 8, Ephesians 1-5, Colossians 1-3)

    How many more ways does Paul have to explain and contrast the before, and the after, for a Believer? Jesus has done everything that ever needs to be done to secure your place in God’s family. No amount of suffering, in this life or the next, will surpass what Jesus has already endured and accomplished for mankind. It truly is FINISHED for those who believe His Word.

  • Julianne Moore launches Hollywood gun safety campaign (stars to use their creativity & visibility)

    10/14/2015 4:13:30 PM PDT · 12 of 64
    Kandy Atz to Libloather
    "I said to my husband, 'I've got to do something.'"

    No, no you don't have to do anything, but pretend to be someone else. The Founders have said everything that needs to be said about this issue.

  • Under Fire From Democrats, Dallas Lawmaker Stands by Tweet With Nazi Meme

    10/14/2015 4:06:18 PM PDT · 16 of 17
    Kandy Atz to nickcarraway

    Read the comments at the blog link. The mentally challenged folks attempting to explain the difference between National Socialism and Democratic Socialism is a hoot.

    No matter what word you place in front of it, socialism is NOT freedom. Its tyranny. Whether its the slow rot found in Western European countries, or the more violent and oppressive kind observed in China, Nazi Germany, and the Soviet Union, its still not anything Americans should ever desire.

  • Vanity: Freeper Advice: Thoughts on 2nd Baptism

    10/10/2015 6:52:48 PM PDT · 305 of 336
    Kandy Atz to one Lord one faith one baptism
    No the Scriptures are clear there is only one baptism, it is the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit and has been going on in obedience to Jesus’s command for almost 2,000 years now.

    And yet it was NEVER administered in the three names anywhere in Scripture, even though Jesus specifically commanded this in Matthew 28. Read Acts for yourself carefully. I did last night and again today to confirm what I remembered. Either the disciples disobeyed Jesus, or that command belongs to a different dispensation, a coming time of judgment.

    The Bible doesn’t say it will take 2,000 years for someone to figure out how to “ rightly divide the Word”, but it does say in the latter days many false prophets will arise. Hmm....

    And as I wrote before, this was ALREADY happening while Paul was writing his letters. He complains that all in Asia had rejected his Revelation. Why do you suppose there was such an uproar in organized religion when people began suggesting God's Word said you could be justified by faith through Grace? Or when Believers started teaching about the Body of Christ, the Mystery, or anything else Paul taught in his prison epistles? Everything Paul wrote has been in his prison epistles for almost 2,000 years! His Revelation was just waiting for folks to discover it and walk in its Truth. Why was it ignored, dismissed, misunderstood, or not taught? I simply believe the Word became less important as Christianity was overwhelmed by Judaizers, pagan converts and their ideas, and religious tradition. Its simply the nature of a large bureaucracy that always leads to corruption. The average convert sitting in the pew didn't know any better and dared not challenge religious authority.

    I do agree no one baptized using three names. Go read Matthew 28:19 again carefully, you will notice the word name is singular not plural.

    Yea! We have found common ground! Nobody used the three names in baptism. As far as singular versus plural - that's worthy of some careful thought. The Bible is quite specific and does not throw words around. There is a reason the Holy Spirit inspired Matthew, who was an eyewitness presumably, to record the three separate names. The more important point to consider is, nobody in Scripture followed this direct command Jesus laid out in Matthew 28. It is incumbent on the child of God to study the Word and let it reveal the reason this might be.

    You do mention there were some faithful Christians “tortured and put to death” after the first century........I hear that a lot but they never have any names. Can you name some faithful Christians in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th centuries that rightly divided the word and were tortured and killed? Not asking for 1,000, just one would do. Any???

    Do you really want me to discover an individual's name in the 5th century who was burned as a heretic? That seems like a very big waste of time and not productive to this discussion. There is a vibrant historical record of religious persecution, violence, and genocide by many religious groups for centuries in Europe. IF EVEN ONE person was murdered by a group who claims to follow Christ, something is amiss. The fact that there were millions, if you include all the wars, pogroms, witch hunts, starvation, and ethnic cleansing done at the behest or encouragement of religion, there is something terribly, terribly, wrong. Note, that I never identified any specific religious group. I do believe there were plenty of sincere Christians of all backgrounds who were doing their best with what revelation they had to live Godly lives. Its the leadership that has generally failed folks. Another factor was the darkness that prevailed before the Word was widely distributed and readily available. That is one reason why I think we live in a golden age for Believers. I can access hundreds of books, study aids, translations, just on my laptop alone. I can search and cross reference until my fingers go numb. The Internet expands that infinitely. There is no excuse for not knowing God's Word intimately.

    Finally, is there some teacher that has written a book in the last 50 years that you could recommend to,me to learn more about why the three names weren’t used in baptism and what the third commission is? I am fascinated by this rightly dividing the word.

    Its older than 50 years - 1916 to be exact and available online for free. The author is E W Bullinger who was a remarkable theologian. I am not of fan of most theologians, but he is brilliant. His work on Figures of Speech in the Bible, The Witness of the Stars, and his Commentary on Revelation are all outstanding. If you want to understand the nuts and bolts of the Bible get his Companion Bible - also available for free and loaded with notes and appendices. I have a big print hard copy and an electronic version on my laptop that I use often as a reference. As with any MAN, read his work and compare it to the Word. Like any man, he can and will make mistakes. In ANY question, God's Word is your final answer.

    For this specific topic I will refer you to his wonderful work - How To Enjoy The Bible. Its probably my second favorite book after God's Word - and that's high praise because I have a lucrative Christian library spanning three generations of ministers and teachers. I'll post the link below. Its a PDF, so the relevant pages are 123-132. For an intellectual in the late 19th/early 20th century, he writes at level that is easily understood no matter where you are in your faith journey. Some of his points can be tough to chew at first, but open the Bible and look up the reference verses for yourself.

    How To Enjoy The Bible

    Here is the appendix on the Three Commissions - #167 From The Companion Bible. This is very brief, but hopefully gets you started. The link at the bottom will take you to many other articles and books by the same author, as well as other Christian writers. All of it is free to read or download.

    Three Commissions

    And since this thread is on baptism, here is an appendix on the word use. Note how it disappears in the prison epistles. Appendix 167 can be found also at the site below if its easier to navigate.

    Baptize Baptism

  • Vanity: Freeper Advice: Thoughts on 2nd Baptism

    10/10/2015 6:48:58 PM PDT · 304 of 336
    Kandy Atz to imardmd1

    Liberty in Christ is simply freedom from religious bondage. Its not, as the religious like to claim, a license to sin. Its loving folks because Jesus first loved us. Its forgiving, because He forgave us. Its obedience out of Love, not because of the Law or religious legalism. Satan beat me up with condemnation over baptism, telling me I didn’t believe, or it wasn’t done right, or a hundred other lies from the pit of hell. That is why I am passionate about this topic. Those ordinances become barriers. They become opportunities for the devil to sow doubt, unbelief, and condemnation. They restrict the freedom God gave us. That is why Paul attacks the rudiments of the world, the works of the flesh, and ceremonialism so hard in his letters. In the Age of Grace, Believers are made alive in Christ, Blessed with every Spiritual Blessing in Heavenly Places, and most importantly, Believers are HIS WORKMANSHIP and Complete In Christ. You may have to spiritually mature to fully believe and enjoy this, but it is the Truth. There is freedom knowing that you could NEVER earn His Grace. You serve out of Love, because God IS Love, not out of compulsion.

    I honestly take little issue with anything you wrote. As long as God’s Word is the foundation, and the means of spiritual growth, all is well. The challenge is, much of what historically has been called Christianity is nothing more than religion, as proven by their fruit, and as compared to God’s Word when it is rightly divided. People may disagree and that’s fine. We are called to have Spiritual unity, not necessarily doctrinal unity.

    I grew up in a religious denomination that in the time of my grandfather was very Bible-based, and Spirit-filled. Even in my youth, I remember Anointed men of God often in the pulpit. But over the years, that changed. I visited a service at a large church of this denomination just a few years back and they were using Disney movies to illustrate how we should treat each other instead of God’s Word! That MIGHT be appropriate for kids (not what I would recommend), but its hardly the meat of the Word, or even milk! That’s anecdotal, but I have visited several churches of various flavors and had similar experiences. Boldly preaching the Word as Paul instructed sometimes seems to be the exception. I trust in my heart that there are far more Believers preaching the Word than my experiences have shown, and no doubt God is moving in those congregations and transforming lives. And I have met Bible-centered Believers from every faith background at various events, so I know they are out there.

    When I got really serious about the Word, there was a lot of religious tradition that I had to set aside because I found it contrary to God’s Word. And I had tons of religious training and plenty of exposure to the Word from birth through Bible classes in college. Even taught adult Sunday School for a time. I did everything a religious person was supposed to do - tithe, give to the poor, coach church youth, volunteer, I even would bring a covered dish at the proper times. It was mostly work, and not LIFE, and with little Joy.

    Then came a serious crisis in my life. Religion patted me on the head and sent me away. When you are at the end of your rope, you better know WHO you believe in. I’m still alive because of the faith and prayers of friends and family, and a hunger and tenacity for His Truth. God moved in a very simple, but wonderful way to change the direction of my life. He has done many miraculous things in my life that I still can’t fully describe or even explain. Many of those were the result of Spirit-filled parents standing on God’s Word for my protection in my youth when I had strayed away from Him. Once they went home, it was my turn to use my faith. And as I found the hard way, that only comes from hearing God’s Word, and spiritual maturity, not religious activities.

    Certainly, nobody should go it alone - although God will pour water on thirsty ground if that is what it takes to get you nourished. I sought out ministries, theologians, laypeople, family, and friends who are Spirit-filled and knew the Word. During my darkest months, I must have consumed hundreds of Christian books, teaching tapes, ministry CDs & DVDs, and many Bible translations because I needed to know THE Truth, not religious opinions. And God is so gracious, revealing answers to questions in the most wonderful way. He even answered my silly childhood questions that no minister could rightly answer, and I had forgotten, leading me to the answers in His Word. The Bible is not just a book, but alive with Truth, ready to provide teaching, reproof, correction, so every Believer can be spiritually mature and prepared to fulfill God’s plan for their life.

    I am as hungry now as ever before, and always desiring more. Because of God’s infinite Wisdom, you will never learn everything. But I intend to discover something new every day until I am with Him.

    I challenge myself on forums like this to dig deeper in the Word, listen to the Spirit, and seek the Truth. There is a wealth of Wisdom and knowledge on these threads, especially if you are willing to consider something that may contradict your religious training.

  • Vanity: Freeper Advice: Thoughts on 2nd Baptism

    10/09/2015 5:55:09 PM PDT · 278 of 336
    Kandy Atz to one Lord one faith one baptism
    There is only one baptism.

    What does Paul mean by this verse?

    1 Corinthians 12:13 (KJV)

    13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

    To ask such a question reflects a total lack of understanding concerning baptism...

    I may lack understanding, but I do have Wisdom. The former comes from the reasoning of men and the religious, the latter comes from God via His Word.

    Christian Faith is still insulting the Christian Faith.

    If your "Christian faith" contradicts with God's Truth, it is religion. I will never cease from studying God's Word, BECAUSE most of what is popularly called Christianity is nothing more than religious tradition. I would encourage everyone not to rely on theologians and the reasoning of men. There is no excuse for not knowing God's Truth. You can take people out of religion, but its much harder to get the religion out of the people. Thank God there is an antidote which you kindly mentioned - Ephesians 5:26. Thanks for the segue.

    Ephesians 5:25-27 (KJV)

    25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

    Believers are sanctified, or set apart, by the washing of the WORD. Not religion, not ceremonies, not rituals, but by God's Word. Literal water cleans the flesh, but never touches the spirit. How do we KNOW that the water refers to the Word - Water = Word - see (John 3:5, 15:3; Ephesians 5:26, James 1:18, 1 Peter 1:23, and also John 4, 7:37-39, 17:17-19)

    Matthew 28 doesn’t apply to Christians is just bizarre.

    Its only "bizarre" to those who do not know God's Word, or fail to rightly divide it. I gave a very brief explanation which obviously you ignored. The Apostles NEVER baptized using the three names commanded in the third commission recorded in Matthew 28 in Acts. Centuries later, the religious started doing it. Did the Apostles disobey Jesus? Once you answer that question, you are on your way to understanding why they did not use the three names, and what was the purpose of the 3rd commission.

    Once one abandons historical orthodox Christian beliefs, all kind of weird and bizarre interpretations can be invented.

    When people fail to rightly divide the Word they get weird and bizarre ideas like replacement theology, that has led to the persecution, torture, and genocide of millions of Jews. Yep, those "historical orthodox Christian beliefs" are something special.

    You place more faith in "historical orthodox Christian beliefs" than you do God's Word! The devolution of Christianity was well underway while Paul was still writing his letters. Paul told Timothy to preach the Word, and warned of the coming time when - For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. (2 Timothy 4:3-4) This was happening in both their lifetimes. (2 Timothy 1:15, 4:10) By the end of the 1st century, Paul's revelation of the Mystery was largely abandoned and forgotten. Revelation was replaced by the reasoning of men. Preaching became a profession, instead of answering the Call of God and teaching under His Anointing. Christianity became religion, with all of its associated challenges, traditions, and failures. God's Word became secondary to the reasoning of theologians, who often failed to rightly divide the Word, allowing the enemy to sow confusion, strife, and division into the Body.

    What emerged in subsequent centuries was something very different than what the Holy Spirit teaches in Paul's letters to the Body of Christ. Carefully compare even the Didache, Clement, Shepherd of Hermas, Ignatious - to Ephesians, Philippians, and Colossians and its night and day. They teach Salvation by works, failing to understand Paul's Revelation and God's Wonderful Grace! It should be no surprise that after putting tradition ahead of God's Word for so long, that Believers who finally received Paul's Revelation and attempted to share the Good news with others, were tortured and murdered by the religious leadership who claimed THEY were the ones who followed Christ! If "historical orthodox Christian beliefs" breeds heresy hunting, simony, torture, genocide, and murder, you can have it. You'll know them by their fruit, right? I'll stick with God's Word and dump every shred of religious nonsense I can. I would advise you to do the same.

    You speak of a vibrant overcoming Body of Christ. Yet if one took your beliefs and tried to find anyone in history that would have agreed with you, it would be the same number as references to water baptism in the Bible. ZERO. So much for vibrant overcoming Body of Christ. But hey, it’s so much more fun to make of Christianity than it is to actually believe and practice it, right?

    Romans 3:3-4 (KJV)

    3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? 4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

    If it weren't for God's Word and a handful of Believers who kept the Light on through the centuries, some paying the ultimate price for their desire to know the Truth, there would be no Christianity. It would have been long ago dumped on the scrapheap of history the way most pagan religions have been abandoned. The last 2,000 years of Christendom, sure does not in anyway resemble the Body of Christ as Paul taught now does it? Even a casual scanning of history shows something went really catawampus after Jesus was replaced as the Head of the Body by religious monarchs in smart outfits.

    Jesus made it so easy for people to be set free, to give spiritual life to folks and place them in the family of God. And then there is the religious among us, who continue to set up barriers, rituals, ceremonies, denominations, doubt, unbelief, and religious bondage to make it harder for someone to enjoy this freedom in Christ. Do you think your "historical orthodox Christian beliefs" make it easier to know Christ, or harder? And, do they ALL agree with His Word when it is rightly divided?

  • Vanity: Freeper Advice: Thoughts on 2nd Baptism

    10/08/2015 4:49:55 PM PDT · 267 of 336
    Kandy Atz to one Lord one faith one baptism; aMorePerfectUnion
    Great answer, it is always great to see the Christian doctrine and command of Jesus to baptize to be held up to scorn and derision by referring to it as “ water activities”. The Muslims must be laughing their butts off, good job.

    The mock outrage is cute, but not warranted. Did you actually read what I wrote, or just scan it to find something that offends? 80% of what I wrote was straight from God's Word. But since that did not take root in the spirit, let's try another approach.

    Your own screen name says - ONE BAPTISM. If there is only ONE BAPTISM, according to Paul in Ephesians 4, there can only be ONE BAPTISM. So which is it my friend - water or spiritual? Here's a fun exercise, see if you can find ANYTHING about the necessity for WATER baptism in that same letter - Ephesians.

    Still unsure? That's why God gave us His Word. There is no shortage of Revelation in God's Living Word.

    Matthew 3:11 (KJV)

    11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

    John the Baptist was the last Old Testament prophet. He baptized people with physical water, preaching the Kingdom of Heaven and repentance to Israel. He recognized that water baptism was just a shadow of what was to come. Note what will be different when the Messiah comes - he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire. So we see a change is coming on the nature of baptism.(Matthew 3:11, Mark 1:7-8, Luke 3:16)

    John 4:1-2 (KJV)

    1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John, 2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)

    Simply note this verse for now, Jesus was not baptizing anyone with water.

    Acts 1:4-5 (KJV)

    4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. 5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

    In his post resurrection meeting with the disciples, Jesus again refers to a coming change - a spiritual baptism rather than water. Peter quotes this very verse in Acts 11 when, after sharing the Gospel with Cornelius' household, Gentiles, they are all baptized in the Spirit. It should be noted that in Acts 10 Peter did call for them to be baptized in water AFTER they were Baptized by the Spirit. Was that really necessary? I'll save that for another day.

    Moving on...

    Matthew 28:19 (KJV)

    19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

    In Matthew 28:18-20, Jesus lays out a future formula - teach the nations (Israel was not reckoned among the nations - Numbers 23:9), baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you. A careful reading of those passages shows that neither baptism (John's, or the one in Matthew 28) applies to the Body of Christ, who are children of God, and neither Jew or Gentile, nor are they accounted among the nations. (1 Corinthians 10:32)

    Note that in every example in Acts, nobody uses the three names instructed in Matthew 28:

    Acts 2:38 (KJV)

    38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

    Acts 8:16 (KJV)

    16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

    Acts 10:48 (KJV)

    48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

    Three examples should suffice. Did they disobey Jesus, or rightly understand that Matthew 28 applied to a future time of judgment, where Jesus would exercise full authority on the Earth. (Hebrews 2:5-9, esp v 8) This was a slight digression to show that the purpose and type of baptisms can change depending on the age and audience. And we must be careful attempting to apply what belongs to Israel, to the Church, and what belongs to a future dispensation, to the current one. Everything must fall in its proper place and time.

    What about the time of Acts? The Kingdom is still being preached to Israel, expecting the immediate return of Jesus. During the 40 years after the resurrection (number of probation), upon Israel's national repentance, Jesus was prepared to return. The Apostles were called to preach to Israel. They kept the Law, went to Temple to worship, and only with divine intervention (Cornelius/Peter) did they preach to Gentiles. They even tried to force the Law on Gentiles. Even Paul, though called to the Gentiles, kept the feasts and went to the Temple throughout the time of Acts. In Acts 28 there is a final declaration against Israel to the Jews in Rome - Acts 28:28 (KJV) 28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it. Not too long after this, Rome would destroy Jerusalem and the Temple. The Promised Kingdom would be delayed for a time, although every prophecy to Israel WILL be fulfilled. God had another plan, it was Hidden until revealed to Paul after Israel rejected Jesus. It was a spiritual body with Jesus as the Head. The religious divisions (Jew and Gentile) have no place. You can see this unveiled in the letters written after Acts 28, especially Ephesians and Colossians. The Mystery Paul revealed has nothing to do with religion.

    You will find little mention of water baptism in Paul's latter letters. If you look at the letters written during the Acts time, Romans, Galatians, Corinthians, Thessalonians and others, you will see a gradual decline in references to this practice. Why? Because its not needed when you can be spiritually reborn. God cares about your heart. Look at it from God's POV, if the goal is to take spiritually dead people, and make them spiritually alive in Christ, physical water is useless. Our Heavenly Father is lifting Believers up, getting their focus on Spiritual things, not earthly things. You could take the meanest SOB down to the creek and dunk him a hundred times and not change him spiritually one bit. But if you preach God's Word to him, that seed will transform him from the inside out! BUT, this transformation is not done by human hands. We are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus.

    I am not holding anything in God's Word up to "scorn and derision". Quite the contrary, I am rightly dividing God's Word, recognizing that not everything is written TO or ABOUT me in God's Word, but everything is FOR me. You can't just pick and choose what you are going to follow - that's religion. If you think water baptism is so critical since the apostles practiced, why don't you keep the Law, or go to Temple? They did. Why don't you minister to the circumcision only? They did the majority of the time. Its this kind of backwards thinking that gave us religion, and not the vibrant, overcoming Body of Christ.

  • Vanity: Freeper Advice: Thoughts on 2nd Baptism

    10/07/2015 1:03:52 PM PDT · 220 of 336
    Kandy Atz to envisio

    If you have been made spiritually alive in Christ, transformed from death to Life, and are complete in Christ, what more could mere water on the flesh do for you? Seek those things which are above!

    The religious wrongly divide the Word, attempting to apply ceremonies and introduce traditions that have no place in the Body of Christ. Rightly divide God’s Word, and stick to His Truth. There is only One Baptism - a spiritual one in this Age. It is done exclusively by God and not by man. Being dunked or sprinkled will not make you any more righteous, and in fact, may introduce doubt into your life, and that is the real danger. I suffered from uncertainty for years over this before I found Peace and Truth in God’s Word. It is our FAITH that pleases God, not water activities. And faith comes from hearing His Word. (Romans 10:17, Hebrews 11:1 & 6)

    Believers are COMPLETE IN CHRIST. They are the Temple of the Holy Spirit. A Believer is part of the Body of Christ, with Jesus as the ONLY Head. A Believer is a child of God, joint heir with Jesus, and Blessed with all Spiritual Blessings. Rejoice in this reality and let nobody, religious or otherwise, steal your confidence in Christ or your Joy. We have reached the point where what Jesus promised the woman at the well is fully realized. - John 4:23-24 (AMP) - 23 A time will come, however, indeed it is already here, when the true (genuine) worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth (reality); for the Father is seeking just such people as these as His worshipers.
    24 God is a Spirit (a spiritual Being) and those who worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth (reality).

    We have God’s Truth and the Holy Spirit inside. We are made in His image and can fellowship with Him as reborn, spiritually alive children.

    Note Paul’s clear Revelation as to what you were before, what you are NOW, and who is responsible for this transformation and why it was done. Note also what part you played. It amazes me religious folks miss this.

    Ephesians 2:4-10 (AMP)
    4 But God—so rich is He in His mercy! Because of and in order to satisfy the great and wonderful and intense love with which He loved us,
    5 Even when we were dead (slain) by [our own] shortcomings and trespasses, He made us alive together in fellowship and in union with Christ; [He gave us the very life of Christ Himself, the same new life with which He quickened Him, for] it is by grace (His favor and mercy which you did not deserve) that you are saved (delivered from judgment and made partakers of Christ’s salvation).
    6 And He raised us up together with Him and made us sit down together [giving us joint seating with Him] in the heavenly sphere [by virtue of our being] in Christ Jesus (the Messiah, the Anointed One).
    7 He did this that He might clearly demonstrate through the ages to come the immeasurable (limitless, surpassing) riches of His free grace (His unmerited favor) in [His] kindness and goodness of heart toward us in Christ Jesus.
    8 For it is by free grace (God’s unmerited favor) that you are saved (delivered from judgment and made partakers of Christ’s salvation) through [your] faith. And this [salvation] is not of yourselves [of your own doing, it came not through your own striving], but it is the gift of God;
    9 Not because of works [not the fulfillment of the Law’s demands], lest any man should boast. [It is not the result of what anyone can possibly do, so no one can pride himself in it or take glory to himself.]
    10 For we are God’s [own] handiwork (His workmanship), recreated in Christ Jesus, [born anew] that we may do those good works which God predestined (planned beforehand) for us [taking paths which He prepared ahead of time], that we should walk in them [living the good life which He prearranged and made ready for us to live].

    In Colossians 2, Paul puts the hammer down. Believers are COMPLETE IN CHRIST. He writes of a spiritual circumcision, a Spiritual baptism through faith, in contrast with all the rudiments of the world - all the religious rituals and ordinances that lead to bondage. These were a “shadow of things to come.” Believers died with Christ from ceremonialism - whether Jewish in origin, or simply paganized Christianity, it matters not. There is no glory in the flesh, only in the Lord. All the ceremonies and rituals do in this age is divide the Body. Note the silly squabbles over infant baptism, immersion versus sprinkling, etc. A proper understanding of the spiritual new birth ends ALL works of the flesh, and all religious bondage. You could perform religious ceremonies all day and every day, and still be a spiritual baby. You need continual fellowship with the Holy Spirit and a steady diet of God’s Word, storing it in your heart, while renewing your mind with His Truth.

    This is strong meat, but it will transform your life. We are identified with Christ in death. And raised with Him to new life. THIS Baptism is NOT MADE WITH HANDS.

    Colossians 2:10-14 (AMP)
    10 And you are in Him, made full and having come to fullness of life [in Christ you too are filled with the Godhead—Father, Son and Holy Spirit—and reach full spiritual stature]. And He is the Head of all rule and authority [of every angelic principality and power].
    11 In Him also you were circumcised with a circumcision not made with hands, but in a [spiritual] circumcision [performed by] Christ by stripping off the body of the flesh (the whole corrupt, carnal nature with its passions and lusts).
    12 [Thus you were circumcised when] you were buried with Him in [your] baptism, in which you were also raised with Him [to a new life] through [your] faith in the working of God [as displayed] when He raised Him up from the dead.
    13 And you who were dead in trespasses and in the uncircumcision of your flesh (your sensuality, your sinful carnal nature), [God] brought to life together with [Christ], having [freely] forgiven us all our transgressions,
    14 Having cancelled and blotted out and wiped away the handwriting of the note (bond) with its legal decrees and demands which was in force and stood against us (hostile to us). This [note with its regulations, decrees, and demands] He set aside and cleared completely out of our way by nailing it to [His] cross.

    Can you see it! Hallelujah!! How could any religious ceremony top that?

    And then Paul makes it even more clear. Believers are done with the outward show, the religious trappings that have a form of godliness but deny the power. (2 Timothy 3:5) Prayerfully read this last passage with regard to the topic at hand.

    Colossians 2:16-23 (AMP)
    16 Therefore let no one sit in judgment on you in matters of food and drink, or with regard to a feast day or a New Moon or a Sabbath.
    17 Such [things] are only the shadow of things that are to come, and they have only a symbolic value. But the reality (the substance, the solid fact of what is foreshadowed, the body of it) belongs to Christ.
    18 Let no one defraud you by acting as an umpire and declaring you unworthy and disqualifying you for the prize, insisting on self-abasement and worship of angels, taking his stand on visions [he claims] he has seen, vainly puffed up by his sensuous notions and inflated by his unspiritual thoughts and fleshly conceit,
    19 And not holding fast to the Head, from Whom the entire body, supplied and knit together by means of its joints and ligaments, grows with a growth that is from God.
    20 If then you have died with Christ to material ways of looking at things and have escaped from the world’s crude and elemental notions and teachings of externalism, why do you live as if you still belong to the world? [Why do you submit to rules and regulations?—such as]
    21 Do not handle [this], Do not taste [that], Do not even touch [them],
    22 Referring to things all of which perish with being used. To do this is to follow human precepts and doctrines.
    23 Such [practices] have indeed the outward appearance [that popularly passes] for wisdom, in promoting self-imposed rigor of devotion and delight in self-humiliation and severity of discipline of the body, but they are of no value in checking the indulgence of the flesh (the lower nature). [Instead, they do not honor God but serve only to indulge the flesh.]

    Believers are spiritually minded, they have the mind of Christ.

    Colossians 3:1-4 (AMP)
    1 IF THEN you have been raised with Christ [to a new life, thus sharing His resurrection from the dead], aim at and seek the [rich, eternal treasures] that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.
    2 And set your minds and keep them set on what is above (the higher things), not on the things that are on the earth.
    3 For [as far as this world is concerned] you have died, and your [new, real] life is hidden with Christ in God.
    4 When Christ, Who is our life, appears, then you also will appear with Him in [the splendor of His] glory.

    Final thought - Paul states that there is ONE Body, ONE Spirit, and ONE Baptism. If there is only ONE Baptism, there cannot be two. You must either agree with God’s Word, or with religion. Oh, and there is only ONE HEAD of the Body, religion has messed that up as well.

    Ephesians 4:4-6 (AMP)
    4 [There is] one body and one Spirit—just as there is also one hope [that belongs] to the calling you received—
    5 [There is] one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
    6 One God and Father of [us] all, Who is above all [Sovereign over all], pervading all and [living] in [us] all.

  • Is it right to hold Oregon shooter's mother responsible? &#61758;Updated 11:05 AM ET,

    10/07/2015 10:30:57 AM PDT · 19 of 38
    Kandy Atz to Presbyterian Reporter

    Keep your eyes out for the media attempting to link Trump to the shooter. Note that Trump’s picture is next to this article with a “related story” tag. Last night I saw a similar Daily Mail article that stated she read her son Art of the Deal - it was even in the freakin’ headline!

    ‘He’s no babbling idiot nor is his life worthless’: Mother of Oregon college shooter defended him to fellow gun enthusiasts and told how she read to him from Donald Trump’s Art of The Deal

  • The Rapture, the Antichrist, and the Second Coming of Christ Pt. 1

    10/03/2015 10:33:19 PM PDT · 30 of 32
    Kandy Atz to Lil Flower
    And who decides who’s “rightly dividing the word?” Everyone divides it differently. I know, I used to be a Protestant.

    Are you a Christian? Who cares what denomination or religious flavor you call home now or in the past. That's irrelevant. The Holy Spirit reveals the Truth to your heart. If you are a Believer, you have the Holy Spirit dwelling in you. You have the written Word that is alive and filled with God's Wisdom, and the Holy Spirit to guide you. Don't let any man, religious or otherwise, tell you what is Truth. That Revelation needs to come straight from the source to your spirit, and then let it renew your mind. The natural man will NEVER receive the things of God because they are spiritually discerned. (1 Corinthians 2:6-16, see also John 14 & Romans 8)

    Have you ever read a passage or verse and it just explodes in your spirit? Suddenly the Truth of it is revealed? Or if you heard something preached that was contrary to God's Word, you sensed an unease in your spirit? Jesus tells us - the Holy Spirit will guide you into all Truth (John 16:13). And remember the disciples on the road to Emmaus - “Did not our hearts burn within us while he talked to us on the road, while he opened to us the Scriptures?” (Luke 24:32) Jesus is the Living Word, and the entrance of the Word gives light - even to the simple. (Psalm 119:130) Are you going to trust men, or the Author Himself who dwells in you? The religious will put you in the ditch. Stick with the Lord.

    Rightly dividing the Word is such a simple concept it takes a theologian to screw it up. Here is my simple definition for your edification - What is written to the Body of Christ is to, for, and about Believers. What is written to Israel is FOR Believers, but not written TO them or necessarily ABOUT them. Failure to discern this simple formula has led to some grievous errors like replacement theology, and works-based religion.

    The main problem I have with Dispensational theology is the arrogance of it. America isn’t really mentioned in the Bible because most of us will be “raptured” out of here. As if we are such better Christians than the rest of the world.

    Do you take an unblemished lamb to church to sacrifice? Do you stone people caught in adultery? If you answered no to those questions, congratulations you are a dispensationalist. Welcome to the club. There is no arrogance about it. Its simply recognizing the Truth that God has dealt differently with people from different ages throughout time. At present, we are in the Age of Grace. This time was a Mystery, hidden in God until revealed through Paul in his latter letters. A simple comparison of Paul's teaching on the Body of Christ and the Mystery, to what was taught in other dispensations will show many differences. This often creates contradictions, unless you understand dispensationalism which negates many of those contradictions and brings clarity to God's Word.

    What does America, a nation, have to do with Spiritual Truth? The BODY OF CHRIST, is made up of BELIEVERS. It is neither Jew or Gentile, male or female, but ONE BODY with Jesus as the Head, and only HEAD of the Body. Nationality, or even religious affiliation, is irrelevant. The ONLY judge that matters is our Father. If He has judged us righteous by faith, made alive in Christ and seated in Heavenly Places in Christ Jesus, who are you to question? You are either spiritually alive, or spiritually dead. There is nothing in-between. The "better than us" kind of thinking comes from people who believe in works-based religion. Its all about God's Grace in this dispensation. Love Himself chose to GIVE me life, and I received it with THANKSGIVING and JOY! Believers are HIS workmanship, so there is no merit, no reason for boasting or comparing. Here it is straight from the heart of God:

    Ephesians 2:4-10 (KJV)

    4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) 6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

    Not only have we killed millions of babies...

    We? I certainly did not. The world is an ugly place full of darkness and spiritually dead people. Believers are in the world, but not of the world. If Believers were doing their job, exercising their faith, sharing God's Word, believing and praying, we could get people saved, filled with the Holy Spirit and transform this nation, and the world. Fighting a spiritual battle with worldly weapons is a recipe for failure. God knows the problems. He needs folks to exercise their faith and authority to turn the ship around.

    I got news for you. Iraq, Syria, Nigeria,etc., they’re experiencing Tribulation now.

    Yes, Believers as long as they are in the world will experience persecution. However, it is not THE Tribulation, BIG difference. Man is still judging on Earth. The time is coming for God's judgment, where man will literally say to the rocks - "Fall on us and hide us from the presence of Him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb; for the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?" That time has not yet come. And just to be clear, Believers will have no part in that time. God will turn His attention back to Israel and will work through them to preach to the nations.

    Maybe you prefer God's judgment. For me, I will stick with His Grace, knowing there is nothing I can do to earn Life that would ever come close to what Jesus has ALREADY DONE. Its far better being COMPLETE in Christ.

    Colossians 2:8-10 (KJV)

    8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

  • The Rapture, the Antichrist, and the Second Coming of Christ Pt. 1

    10/03/2015 5:52:02 PM PDT · 27 of 32
    Kandy Atz to GonzoII
    Dispensationalist theology is dangerous for many reasons...

    Poppycock. Dispensationalist theology is NOT dangerous. You will NEVER understand God's Word properly UNLESS you rightly divide it. When you don't, you get theological contradictions and division. Or, you try and appropriate a promise or prophecy meant for Israel and apply it to the Body of Christ. You know what theology is VERY dangerous AND deadly - replacement theology. When, where, and how did that manifest?

    Dispensationalist theology” made famous by Hal Lindsey’s “The Late Great Planet Earth,” and Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkin’s famous “Left Behind” ...

    I would place none of those gentlemen in the category of dispensational theologians. Not even sure what point the author is trying to make with that paragraph.

    But understand that after the Rapture, those “left behind” will have to face the Antichrist, a massive world war that will see the slaughter of billions, as well as executions of a relatively few who will turn to the Lord for salvation during this terrible time of persecution.

    If you are starting with a premise of rejecting dispensational teaching, not rightly dividing the Word or understanding the difference between the Body of Christ and Israel, you will never understand end time events. Its called a time of JACOB's trouble for a good reason.

    Before Christ’s second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers.

    This is the danger of a works based theology. Believers are COMPLETE in Christ. The Body of Christ, those made alive in Christ and seated in Heavenly places in Christ Jesus, do not need to experience God's judgment. This is really elementary stuff if you know who you are in Christ.

    The spirit of antichrist is the spirit that says I’ll do it “my way.”

    And what has Rome been doing for almost 2,000 years? Is Rome not made up of people? They have elevated a man and placed him as the Head of the Body instead of Jesus. Religious reasoning often trumps God's Word. Theological opinion is prized above the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Rome is Earthly, worldly, and religious. However, the Body of Christ is in this world, but not of this world. Believers are seated in Heavenly places in Christ Jesus. I can't say it much better than Paul, who is writing to individual Believers, not a religion or denomination. This is not theological opinion that needs interpretation. This is God's Truth, and the Believers' reality. Note the conditional statement that starts the passage. The religious among us might not believe they are risen with Christ. Therefore, they will see themselves with the rest of the world in the time of wrath, and not appearing with Christ in Glory.

    Colossians 3:1-4 (KJV)

    1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. 2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. 3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. 4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

    This “Rapture” mentality has led to many failed predictions ...

    I 100% agree that setting dates is dangerous. Believers should be aware of the seasons and signs. National Israel returning to their land should be enough to wake some folks up to how close we are to the end. I do suspect Spirit-filled Believers may have some advance notice. I base that on Elijah and the prophets all knowing the exact day when Elijah would be translated. I will not fall on a religious sword over it, its just a hunch.

    The problem with many of these Rapture rants is that if you do not know WHO you are in Christ, and WHERE you are presently in Christ, how can you possibly understand what the Father has planned? You can certainly find flakes and nuts in every theological camp, but that is why Believers have God's Word and the Holy Spirit. You don't have to rely on theologians, a denomination, Christian fiction writers, or even Tim, to know God's Truth.