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Wrong!!! Wagglebee - you are OUT OF YOUR MIND!!!

Osama (Oops! Sorry..) Obama is an America-hating fool and a pathetic socialist.

http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm

Lots of sub links in there and quotes where Hitler declaims his Christianity, attends Church, etc. As much as you folks want to obfuscate the truth (much like you do with Evolution and science in general) of this issue - Hitler thought himself a Christian and in his sick mind thought his actions were justified by God. I hate Hitler and I hate Nazi’s - but the truth is the truth. He thought he was a Christian. Here’s just one quote from the monster: “Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.”

There are lots more like that at the provided link.

Again I am NOT equating Christianity with Nazism. There is no comparison between the two at all, unless you want to contrast them as almost perfect opposites. The Nazis twisted Christianity completely outside its intended meaning.

You people are really something. You think just because someone doesn’t share your religious beliefs that this makes them automatically inferior, amoral and evil. Does that sound like anybody we’ve been discussing lately? Ring a bell at all?

“I’ll give you all the rest, but Hitler was a Christian. Didn’t ACT like one, but thought of himself as one.”

Sorry, I take it back. One last thing, then I’ll go. In your mindless knee-jerk reactionism to prove how evil I am - you didn’t bother to read the next part: “Didn’t ACT like one, but thought of himself as one.”

Did you read that? What defines a person as a Christian? Their actions? The fact that they are baptized? The fact that they go to a particular Church? The fact that they declare they are a Baptist, Protestant, Catholic, etc.? Did you consider any of these other things? No? It’s pretty easy to see why you would be so credulous as to believe most anything. You don’t exercise your brain much, do you?

Yes, because he considered himself to be one. As did most of his buddies. I am tired of your hate, wagglebee. You can rejoice, I am no longer a part of this conversation. Now you can crow victory over the evil atheist (even though I am not). Enjoy your delusions. Bye.

“Again, you seem like a decent enough person, I once again just invite you to explore your genuine search for answers with someone who has the time and patience to explain some of these things from a GENUINE Christian perspective.”

Thank you for a decent, polite, reasoned reponse. I really appreciate that. I HAVE studied the Bible, and Christianity, quite a lot, actually. I’ve taken passing looks at most other religions as well out of pure intellectual curiosity. The only one that I feel has any merit at all is Christianity. I also think one of the main reasons for the success of European (Western) civilization is the binding, stabilizing force of Christianity. However, I’ve never felt whatever it is that makes people believe so strongly in it. I just don’t see how it can be possible for so many rational, logical, and yes, scientific reasons. But I really appreciate at least one persion having the decency to treat me like a human being here, and not some kind of monster.

“Christian.com...evilbible.com...nazi-christian.com...calling Christianity a fairy tale...”

I did no such thing. There are no such web sites as you describe above with the exception of evilbible.com. I said to do searches using the other criteria you mentioned and find that the Nazis described (thought of) themselves as Christians. I was NOT equating Christianity with Nazism! Wagglebbe and 8mmmauser had knee-jerk reactions when I pointed out that ONE uncomfortable fact and blew an aneurysm over it - misinterpreting what I was trying to say. Read some of my other posts - I like Christians even though I don’t share their religious beleifs. I even said Chritianity was the best of all religions in my opinion.

“You’re truly all over the map on this...”

No, actually I am conistent - it is in reading what others have posted with their prejudice towards what I have been trying to say that is confusing things.

“My advice would be to locate someone that you can trust and believes in a Christian God to explain to you how God INDEED created a paradise, literally heaven on earth that was ruined by one of His angels, Satan.”

Why would an Omniscient God create Satan in the first place, knowing full well he would rebel and cause untold suffering in Heaven and on Earth?

“And Heaven is not something that will or can be ruined.”

Hmmm.. don’t see any wat prove this or disprove it - but it doesn’t seem too likely considering it would require a supernatural explanation.

“Our time here is fleeting. Eternity is not.”

On this we are in perfect agreement.

“Besides, your way gives us all that suffering with absolutely ZERO to look towards afterwards!”

I completely agree! I wish it WAS “your way”! I simply see no evidence that it possibly can be!

“If you think that Christianity is a sham, how do you think the Nazis disparaged it?”

I respect the morality that true Christians live by, but don’t believe in a divine basis for it, or anything else. The Nazi’s disparaged Chrisitianity by doing the exact opposite of what Christians of the same time period were preaching - brotherhood, tolerance, respect, etc. You are reading way too much of your own prejudices of what a non-religious conservative is like into what I am saying. You are twisting my words, and acting in an arrogant and hateful way.

A competent God would not have created a world in which the innocent suffer, wars kill millions of innocents, and abortions even need to be considered. Did God create Smallpox, diptheria and Bubonic Plague? If so, what could he have been thinking?

If you guys are Chrisitians, then I’d like to know when hate and intolerance became Christian virtues.

“So do plenty of liberals.”

WHAT!!??? WHO are these liberals???

“Got it, you think conservatives are “dumb” and believe in “fairy tales” like the Bible.”

NO! I think conservatives are SMART - orders of magnitude smarter than Democrats. I just don’t understand why they are so enamored of something that is obviously primitive superstition.

“So can most terrorists.”

No they can’t. Most terrorists are profoundly stupid. And I deeply resent the implication and the profound insult.

I see, trying to get me banned, eh?

Thanks for the Christian good will. Hypocrite.

“However, in all the time I’ve been on Free Republic, I’ve NEVER seen ANYONE try to disparage Christianity by associating it with Hitler and Nazis.”

On teh contrary, I think Hitler disparaged Christianity. He, and most of the Nazi leadership - considered themsleves to be Christian. Didn’t you read my post when I said they didn’t ACT like Christians? You guys are knee-jerk reactionaries.

“Its already been proven that the more religious people are the more the IQ of that society rises”

Cite, please?

I’m NOT a libertarian! An easy disproof of whether LIbertarianism can work is the parking lot at any Mall as Chrismas time. Everybody fights to get a parking space, and little politeness is evident.

I don’t like abortion either. Did you read my previous posts? No? Go back and read them. Your knee-jerk buddies are labeling me as a libertarian because they think I am evil or something.

You guys have a very narrow view of the world. I still vote the straight Republican ticket every time - even though pretty much all candidates are proc-choice and anti-euthanasia. If your omnipotent, omniscient God had created a better world, we wouldn’t have to worry about such things, would we? I hate to tell you, but not all conservatives are “pro-life” as you call it. Or dumb enough to be religious.

Hey 8mm - ask nme any question you like about guns - I’ll bet I can answer in real time. I’m a life-member in the NRA and an instructor.

There aer plenty of other refences - I just grabbed that one as it was the 1st that showed up on a yahoo search. Just do a search on “Nazi Christians” or “Hitler Christian” - there are plenty of other links.

You didn’t read my ealier post. I said he CONSIDERED himself a Christian but didn’t ACT like one. Go back and look.

OH, you want refernces on the Bible where God calls for people to be exterminated! Happy to oblige my friend:

http://www.evilbible.com

Here are a few excerpts:

Kill Followers of Other Religions

While the Israelites were camped at Acacia, some of the men defiled themselves by sleeping with the local Moabite women. These women invited them to attend sacrifices to their gods, and soon the Israelites were feasting with them and worshiping the gods of Moab. Before long Israel was joining in the worship of Baal of Peor, causing the LORD’s anger to blaze against his people. The LORD issued the following command to Moses: “Seize all the ringleaders and execute them before the LORD in broad daylight, so his fierce anger will turn away from the people of Israel.” So Moses ordered Israel’s judges to execute everyone who had joined in worshiping Baal of Peor. Just then one of the Israelite men brought a Midianite woman into the camp, right before the eyes of Moses and all the people, as they were weeping at the entrance of the Tabernacle. When Phinehas son of Eleazar and grandson of Aaron the priest saw this, he jumped up and left the assembly. Then he took a spear and rushed after the man into his tent. Phinehas thrust the spear all the way through the man’s body and into the woman’s stomach. So the plague against the Israelites was stopped, but not before 24,000 people had died. (Numbers 25:1-9 NLT)

Kill All of Babylon

“Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you,” says the LORD. “Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction”. (Jeremiah 50:21-22 NLT)

Micah Kills a Whole Town

Then, with Micah’s idols and his priest, the men of Dan came to the town of Laish, whose people were peaceful and secure. They attacked and killed all the people and burned the town to the ground. There was no one to rescue the residents of the town, for they lived a great distance from Sidon and had no allies nearby. This happened in the valley near Beth-rehob.Then the people of the tribe of Dan rebuilt the town and lived there. They renamed the town Dan after their ancestor, Israel’s son, but it had originally been called Laish. (Judges 18:27-29 NLT) (Note that God approves of this slaughter in verse 6.)

Kudos on one of the most utterly cogent posts I have read on FR!!!