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"The Catholic church does not teach this so therefor the Roman Catholic that follows the teaching of pre Vatican 11 or post Vatican 11 teaching do not have salvation."

Not at all! Catholics are still considered within "the body of Christ." Most Protestants accept this even. They just don't believe that you need the chain of command to God, i.e. priest...bishop...Pope. Other minimal differences as well, but the "body" is anyone who believes Jesus as savior and follows His example. This includes Catholosism.

These Links should clear things up for you:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1076275/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1076137/posts

Rabbi Shmuley Boteach can eat his words when the film breaks every box office record! Wishing ill-will on one man's dreams and faithful endeavor is only an iota from hypocrisy.

Scorsese's "Kundun"... critically acclaimed!

Brooks'S "Maja Barata"... critically acclaimed

I'm sure if there was a major Hollywood production about Islam and Mohammad... that would be greatly praised, because it gives attention to something "desperately" needed in American society....

yet,

Make a movie portraying the accurate & truthful crucifixion of Jesus,.... and get critically bombast-ed and called a monster!!! .....

I don't get it???

I really can't believe I came across this post! I was searching for info on Mr. Gibson's new film, and finding much material here, also found this. I was given Oswald Chamber's "Utmost.." about 5 years ago. Never cracked it open really. This year I made a resolution to read it daily, considering recent, personal experiences. Luckily, I've held to that resolution (only a few days behind, I promise to catch up). Jan 9th was particularly moving, Chamber's interpretation of the 139th Psalm brought me to my knees (figuratively). Since the new year, great things have been happening personally, dispite mundane setbacks. How could I have been so misguided, I ask...but haven't we all. As someone without a foundation in Christian experience, this book is a Godsend. Wondering if this post can be something of a conversation topic on "Utmost.."
I'll start by asking this; Chamber's refers much to being "separated" (Jan- Feb);...does this mean spiritual separation? separated from the world? Not quite sure? Any post much appreciated.

"Uh, OP, Justin makes clear remission of sins comes in the waters of baptism. He also makes clear his belief we are regenerated in baptism. Now, you can say Justin got it wrong. You can say that by 150 AD doctrine was corrupted. But I don't see how you can really claim Justin Martyr for Calvinistic regeneration."

Wha-the-???

Nowhere do I read into what you posted "makes clear". And OP didn't claim anything... just posted an article on the subject, by someone using J. Martyr's claims in support of their thesis. Looks like the only person your trying to convince is yourself. Job well done!

"Dispense with the pleasantries..." & the sarcasm!

As someone brought up Protestant myslef, I defenitely think Mr. Gibson has a right to his belief, and when you consider what that is, it does have a logical, reasonable arguement. DallasMike -- I've seen alot of interviews of him for his movies and he would be a BLAST! to talk to or hang out with. As far as his realationship to his wife, that's between themselve's and God. The fact that he is still with her suggests that he is not so close-minded, able to marry outside his faith, unlike other dogmatic, intramerital, religious doctrines. His comment about her being a saint, " better than him " credits his sentiment to his beliefs and that her not believing his beliefs troubles him and is probably perpetually on his mind. Yet they work it out. How much more opened-mindedness could you ask for?

Post 57 & 58 are a good start. Aestus Veritatis has good references and DallasMike has some good links. Obviously, the two doctrines conflict. Whoa....I just realized today's date...good luck if your still around here...