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  • Senate passage of hate-crimes bill wins plaudits

    07/20/2009 10:24:17 AM PDT · 29 of 32
    rickgyt to 3catsanadog

    got an answer from C-Span’s Capitol Questions concerning this vote and House rules...

    My question:

    Two nights ago, the House voted in favor of suspending the rules and passing a bill. It was a voice vote, and there were only about 20 Congressmen present on the floor at the time. (The bill was H.R. 4210.) How can a bill be allowed to pass when so few Representatives are present? What are the rules concerning a quorum being required? If the motion to reconsider is immediately tabled, does that mean that the vote is final even though only 20 members were present?
    C-Span’s answer:

    Suspension of the rules takes a 2/3 vote to pass, whether it’s by roll-call [a certain discernible number] or by voice vote [judgment of the chair that 2/3 said “aye.”]
    Members may choose to pass anything by voice vote. They have several procedures to call upon if they wish to get a roll call vote.

    Only roll call votes prove the absence of a quorum. If the absence of a quorum [218 in the House; 51 in the Senate] is established, the vote would be invalid.

    Although the written rules of the House and the Senate both require that a quorum be present at all times for business to take place, the reality is that it rarely is except for roll-call votes.

    This practice is known as a “presumed quorum.” In other words, a quorum is presumed to be present unless it is pointed out that it is not. That would be done by either a point of order that no quorum is present or by the numerical evidence of a roll call vote not adding up to a quorum.

    Members can easily make a point of order — and do, often — that no quorum is present. Then business is suspended until a quorum materializes. But the quorum requirement must be enforced from the floor — individual Members must feel strongly enough about it to make the point of order. Otherwise the presumed quorum continues.

    As for the motion to reconsider, yes, if it is tabled the vote is final and cannot be reopened for lack of a quorum or for any other reason. See: http://www.c-span.org/questions/weekly85.htm

    Best Wishes, Ilona Nickels
    C-SPAN Resident Congressional Scholar

    So, a bill can be passed no matter how many (or how few) Representatives are present on the floor at the time. As long as nobody present objects to the lack of quorum, and as long as there’s no recorded vote proving the lack of a quorum, the vote is final.

  • Senate passage of hate-crimes bill wins plaudits

    07/20/2009 10:10:29 AM PDT · 27 of 32
    rickgyt to DustyMoment

    The U.N. Convention to Combat Desertification was ratified by the U.S. Senate on October 18, but few Senators yet know that it has been ratified. Senator Craig Thomas (R-WY) introduced a package of 34 treaties, all of which were ratified by a show of hands — no recorded vote.
    Initially, Senator Thomas’ office told callers that the Senator had nothing to do with the ratification. On December 8, his office called to explain that Senator Thomas just happened to be on the Senate Floor late in the afternoon of October 18 — and was asked by the leadership to handle procedurally, the package of treaties. Senator Thomas has asked the Foreign Relations Committee to explain how, and why, the Desertification Treaty was included in the package.

  • Senate passage of hate-crimes bill wins plaudits

    07/20/2009 10:05:32 AM PDT · 26 of 32
    rickgyt to DustyMoment

    The Human Rights Council now in every State http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/

  • Senate passage of hate-crimes bill wins plaudits

    07/20/2009 10:05:29 AM PDT · 25 of 32
    rickgyt to MBB1984

    good by state rights

  • Senate passage of hate-crimes bill wins plaudits

    07/20/2009 9:57:24 AM PDT · 24 of 32
    rickgyt to DustyMoment

    five Republicans help Democrats, with out them it would happen

  • Senate passage of hate-crimes bill wins plaudits

    07/20/2009 8:31:46 AM PDT · 1 of 32
    rickgyt
    vote attaching the hate-crimes bill to the defense authorization bill. then voice vote (no recorded vote) good by talk radio