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Hey Swordmaker.

Can you verify that the current version of Clorox Germicidal Bleach has not been changed over the last year, and is safe at the dilution you previously recommended?

Hello again Swordmaker,
I have returned.

I am noticing I have had trouble convincing some people that the Dakin’s Solution is safe in the mouth, even at such a low concentration. I explain that Dakin’s Solution has been in use as an antiseptic for decades and is proven safe, but people question whether this can have an adverse effect on the tissue inside the mouth. In most cases they discount this practice entirely. I was wondering if you have any links to any scientific research that has been done on the safety of this solution, or if you have any links that may calm their fears on this.

Thanks for the response. I’m scheduled to get my cavity taken care of tomorrow morning. I won’t be having another cavity ever again because I am very serious about my dental health and will be for the rest of my life (: the bleach protocol has given me the tool to effectively take care of my mouth and feeling like I can accomplish this without breaking the bank.

I was amazed because when I first started your routine (which was o course when I first started flossing as well), my gums were bleeding like crazy everytime I flossed. They also really hurt to floss. I still have a bit of pain when I floss but I didn’t really notice that the bleeding stopped. So when the dentist remarked how healthy my gums were (and she said “wow, your gums aren’t bleeding at all, that’s very unusual for my patients!”) I remembered how bad it was a mere few weeks ago.

To follow up on the staining, after my cleaning (as expected) the brown staining is completely gone. My teeth look so refreshed - much whiter than they were before. Would you say it is okay to use any of the over the counter whitening products (such as 5 minute whitening system - https://www.walmart.com/ip/Plus-White-5-Minute-Premier-Speed-Teeth-Whitening-Gel-2-oz/23788101 or alternative)? Or should I be able to maintain perfectly white teeth with a cleaning every 6 months and my routine?

Also, I gotta ask, and I think I know what answer you’ll give me but... This guy at the gym was telling me Mercury fillings are problematic. He recommended Mercury free dentistry . Any validity to his concerns? Guy was, admittedly, a bit of a nut.

I just got out of my cleaning. They said my gums are very healthy! I only had one small cavity. They said there was hardly any plaque in my teeth and they were impressed. I haven’t been to have a cleaning in years but it seems like i never got compliments like this. I think the bleach and baking soda (and flossing) is doing its job. I think the cavity may have occurred before I got serious about my dental health. Is it possible that the bleach solution can actually heal a cavity that has formed, or can the bleach prevent me from getting new cavities in the future? I don’t plan on having any cavities ever again! (:

Thank you for all the help! Since I’ve started taking better care of my teeth, I have noticed they seem pretty clean and white, but one thing I noticed is that the bottom center teeth (which are very smal) have brown stains on the back (inside the mouth). I imagine the brown collection is not plaque or the bleach solution would dissolve it?

No matter what I do it seems like I cannot reach this and get the stains cleaned. It seems like when I try to brush this area, I am not able to get enough friction to really get the stain off. Would you have any advice on this? I know a dentist cleaning could probably fix it (so I have scheduled an appointment in the next week) but is there any way to keep this clean with home dental care? Is possible that an electric toothbrush would be better at hitting this area?

One final question...
As I stated previously I am now brushing in the morning with baking soda, then flossing all teeth, then once or twice a week using the bleach solution AND in the evening I brush with ordinary fluoride toothpaste and mouth rinse with warm salt water. Would it be better to be brushing with Sensodyne Pronamel in evenings or Sensodyne Extra Whitening (this is what I currently use)?

Any benefit to swapping the Flouride toothpaste to morning and baking soda, flossing, and bleach rinse (twice weekly) to the nighttime?

Got to thinking about it and I think I remember you saying bleach rinse would be effective before going to sleep? When exactly is bacteria worse in the mouth? Or does it matter much?

Also where might I add a waterpik into the routine?

So is there no benefit to the Listerine incorporate into my routine at all? Even for the purpose of the fluoride in the Listerine touching between my teeth?
Or would you say fluoride toothpaste daily plus municipal water is good enough?

Currently, my routine consists of: Morning:
1) Brushing with baking soda, getting between gums
2) Flossing gently
3) Bleach mouth rinse for 60 seconds
Night:
1) Brush with fluoride toothpaste.
2) Warm saltwater rinse

Sorry for all the questions. I am becoming very intrigued in improving my oral health since reading your threads. I have never had very good oral health and nobody ever taught me this growing up. I mean, I knew you were supposed to brush daily, but never really followed it much growing up. It was unfortunately a habit I didn’t develop young and I didn’t do much better as I became an adult.

To be perfectly honest I did not know flossing daily was important for gums and oral health in general. If embarrasses me to say but my parents did not floss daily and I thought flossing was merely a process of removing food that you can feel stuck in your teeth.

Your input is very valuable to me - it’s nice to get advice from somebody genuinely offering their help, and not just trying to sell a product. Much appreciated.

PS: Squirt bottle is working fantastically for the bleach. Would recommend you try it as well, if only to avoid juggle a large bottle of bleach more than you have to.

Swordmaker,

Is it necessary to use other mouth rinse (for example Listerine) once you are on a regimen with the bleach/water blend? I imagine the bleach blend kills everything Listerine would? Or would you still recommend using a mouthwash and what brand and type? (Some use alcohol, some alcohol free, some use artificial sweeteners, others not).

So are you suggesting placing feet in a tub surrounded by baking soda (powder)? Or rather mixing baking soda with water and putting feet in a tub of this solution? If so please tell me the ratio and the amount of time required!

Hey Swordmaker, me again.

I believe I may not have explained my proposal adequately. My intention is to store the Germicidal Bleach in this squirt bottle (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B017DCDYAA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) and test to see how much a squirt from this bottle will yield. In this method, I will be able to squirt a measured amount of bleach into a container daily, and fill water to a line that marks the relevant amount of water required for the solution.

I have ordered the bottles I linked from Amazon, and after extensive testing, I have determined that each full squirt from this bottle yields approximately 1/3 tsp of Bleach. In line with the recipe, I would need to measure 8 tsp or 1.33 fl oz of water with one squirt of bleach.

I recognize that this may be hard to measure accurately, and I would like to normalize against variations in my recipe. One potential solution would be to squirt three squirts of Germicidal Bleach (approx. 1 tsp) on top of 4 fl oz (1/4 cup) of water.

I would hate to waste product by producing a solution of 1 tsp to 4 fl oz daily, only to use approx 15 mL and dispose of the rest. You previously said that a solution between 10 to 1 and 50 to 1 is safe. If I, for example, attempted to measure 1 fl oz of water and squirt 1 pump (1/3 tsp) of Germicidal Bleach, it would result in a ratio of approx 18-to-1. This would result in a slightly stronger solution, and would guard against variation in the amount of product that is squirted out.

In other words, this would allow for a buffer so that even if the squirt bottle decides to produce a smaller-than-normal squirt, I would still get the benefits of this rinse.

Do you have any input on my ideas? Do you see any flaws in my reasoning?

This sounds like a strange question, but can you tell me the process for making a new batch every time that you do? For example, are you literally juggling a huge bottle of bleach every morning and measuring out 1 tsp of bleach and then filling the glass rest of the way with water? It seems like there has to be a better way. Please share any tips at efficiency you can provide, as I know that convenience is the only way I am going to hold myself accountable to this routine.

Would it be possible to store the Germicidal bleach in a bottle such as this:
https://www.amazon.com/Amber-Boston-Round-Thick-Bottle/dp/B00OQQRW9G/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1473077150&sr=8-3&keywords=thick+pump+bottle
That is, a tightly sealed bottle with pump that will remain the purity of the bleach, and I can easily pump a bit out into a glass every day without having to juggle a large bottle of bleach.

OR, does the bleach need to stay in the provided manufacturer’s bottle? I am just trying to learn and make sure I do this the right way. I have spent the last month sporadically cleaning with Dakin’s solution (using adulterated Clorox with laundry additives - still very frustrated that Clorox decided to add crap into their product without making it clear) and now that I have a chance to talk to an expert, I want to make sure I am doing EVERYTHING right :)

It should be criminal what large companies and the media can get away with. They never have our best interest at heart, when more money is to be made.

Thanks

I want to start using Dakin’s rinse so I am going to buy the new Clorox “Germicidal” blend mentioned previously. What is the best way to mix this solution? Is is not feasible to mix a large batch of this liquid (in a properly sealed tight container) so that I may not have to create new batches frequently? If it is necessary to create new batches, how often should I make a new batch and what type of container should I keep it in to keep it sealed tightest?

I wanted to create this solution and fill a listerine bottle with a pump attachment, to make it easy and encourage me to use the solution. Would a pump attachment I described be okay or would this bottle cause the solution to lose potency?

Why is the connection between oral spirochetes/AD/other modern diseases not more widely publicized? Why hasn’t there been any large-scale studies if it is as easy as using this mouthwash to prevent so many diseases? Genuinely curious! Thanks for all the help.