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Muslim leaders want a separate Islamic court in Australia to deal with Islamic divorces

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/005631.php

Gee, that guy "impresses" me.. :-p

"Jennifer, have you considered the possibility that your decision to run away reflected the pervading hopelessness in the country as a result of the disastrous policies of the Bush administration?"
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He He He.. you sure made MY morning..!

"Why only non-residential??
They should go for the whole enchilada!"
Someone answered your question, but I being "wordy" would love to add to it. Our state was sued by a tribe of N.E. Oklahoma Indians that had used this area for hunting. When they sued they sued fifteen landowners including the University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana to the tune of 260 MILLION acres. By suing individuals and for the U of I it made their suit REAL unpopular right from the start. For some reason they didnt understand that it would do that. (?) It looks like the tribes have learned. All in all I don't think their suit will work as moneyed people can be pretty powerful, strong natured and iconoclastic and this will be right in their own backyard... Liberal or not they are property holders and they don't want to get to say "well, there goes the neighbourhood"...!

VinnyC, since when are you not peoples of the earth? As such its your duty to share the earth as it doesn't really belong to anybody but who God created. Your people came over the Aleutians and across the seas like our people did.
Currently this country needs to be for all Americans, but hanging on to what traditions you can. Go "lightly my friend" as the past is a hard master to be at peace with. It may ask more of you than you can actually assimilate into the reality of today. God speed my friend...

This is clearly about Reservation SHOPPING and land grabs and not wanting your neighbourhood spoiled by casinos.

Hi Virgil thanks for posting. I would like to report that so far we have fought off the attempts of a shakedown by the Miami Indians. We did not want a casino at our backdoor in Ford or Champaign and let them know. I haven't heard much about Kankakee. I do understand that the Ho Chunk indians were attempting this recently near Chicago. I am not sure how that one came out. You are right about the local people not being rich or arrogant. Mostly middle class, hardworking farm types, or city people from the area of the University of Illinois at Champaign Urbana. I was surprised how strong they were in their standing up for what they believed. We had a lot of support by even liberals as they saw the truth of what was going on.

A few years back the Miami tribe of N.E. Oklahoma used this same tack on East Central Illinois they sued fifteen landowners for 2.6 MILLION acres. At first they said they wanted the land or the money but they didn't want a casino. Eventually the truth came out that it WAS a casino they wanted right at our backdoor. The land they were suing for was in what is called the Wabash Watershed of East Central Illinois. It includes Champaign, Urbana, the University of Illinois and prime farm land that in some cases has been in the family for several generations. By the unpopularity caused by their suing the homeowners it looks like they have changed their tunes and are now NOT suing residential parties as it makes them look too bad. They were extremely surprised when they were rejected. They came in and put on a little show, did a little dance, prayed to the Great Father in their native language and were very surprised when the people weren't impressed by this or swayed to their side. I heard George Tiger state "Gee, after all this that we did I thought that at least fifty percent of them would be for us but there appears to be very few that are".. why was he so surprised? He shouldnt have been. This is getting curiouser and curioser..

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IMPORTANT Today Congress asked that we would give our opinion on Indian Reservation "shopping" like this. here is where you can give them your information via fax. TESTIMONY SOUGHT ON GAMBLING
A House committee is considering gambling law changes and
wants your input.
http://www.family.org/cforum/feature/a0036864.cfm http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=2000/7/9/212634

This should be interesting " The tribe wants title to all non-residential property within a 3,600-acre area of Southampton Town — land it claims it was cheated out of in 1859." This is almost word for word what Indian tribes have used as a legal base for lawsuit in other states including my own.

This ought to be interesting..
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C159737%2C00.html

N.Y. Indians Want the Hamptons Back

NEW YORK — The Southampton, N.Y.-based Shinnecock Indians (search) on Tuesday fired the first arrow in their battle to reclaim ancestral lands — filing a federal lawsuit seeking the return of 3,600 acres of prime real estate "stolen" by the state a century and a half ago.
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Well said, thanks for stating what we all think so succinctly. Talk about "loose lips sinking ships"... This man is a travesty to the people of Illinois and his country..!

Their effort have been cancelled in my state at least here for now, but they " the tribe" have purchased land in the bottom of the Wabash Watershed which they had sued for. (260 THOUSAND acres). They purchased the land with a blind corporation, and have called it a "cemetery". (Of course its on aheavily traveled insterstate.) They are sitting on it ostensibly waiting for governmental or public favour to change for the better for them so they can restart their fight to put in a casino.
The fact that they lied about their real purposes has not set well in this state with the government or the people.
PLEASE GO TO THE WEBSITES TODAY.. THE CONGRESS WANTS YOUR INPUT TODAY JUNE 16, 2005 ON THIS ISSUE OF INDIAN RESERVATION SHOPPING, NEW CASINOS AND LAND GRAB TAKEOVERS. ty. http://www.family.org/cforum/feature/a0036864.cfm

Sure, but on their reservations not in local communities in newly established "reservations". I don't go for land grabs, do you ?

Dear Phantom,
with all due respect, we are discussing RESERVATION SHOPPING, the act of suing for thousands of acres of land that is currently owned by others or taking it in some kind of land grab and THEN declaring it reservation and putting a casino on it. I can't tell them they can't put casinos on land they allready own. The land they purposed to take in East Central Illinois was part of prime farm ground and the University of Illinois and a two very large cities. Some of the farmers had those farms in their families for several generations. I don't see those lands as being "reservation land " do you ?

It appears that way to me..

Because its the law, and must be reviewed. Once its ok'd the states are finding its something they wish they'd never approved. We are still new at this and are finding out all the negatives and very few positives. Read some of the articles to find complete answers as to who it has to be approved by. When states find out what is really going on they are holding back from approvals, especially when the local citizenry stand up and say NO. Especially when they learn that they won't gain anything and have much to lose.

We are discussing RESERVATION SHOPPING. Indian tribes three years ago came into Illinois and sued fifteen landowners for their property, claiming they had once "hunted" here which made this their land. They were suing for 260,000 acress m/l. This included the University of Illinois at Champaign/Urbana. When we visited other casino sights around the country we found that they had been duped. That the monies from the Casino did NOT go back into the communities and that business' around the casinos closed down at the rate of 40% or higher, the locals were stuck with huge tax losses and had the high responsibility and cost of keeping up the roads into the casinos and providing vastly increased police protection by the now vastly higher crime rates suddenly in the area. Ho Chunk indians came into our state just this year and tried the same thing. I am not sure how that is panning out. Hopefully the state has taken a cue from how strongly that downstate Illinois citizens came out against them. Once they have their property they declare it "sovereign reservation" and no local, state or federal laws can touch it. They don't have to charge taxes so all local business goes there.
In answer to your question as my husband is standing over me and wants his computer back, :-) It has to be approved through the gov. for current outside reservation properties. As the article states it is usually "slid in" under the noses of the locals and suddenly they find they have a HUGE problem. It trashes the local communities.
Locally the Indian tribe that tried to come in stated freely "We do NOT want a casino".. Later they admitted they did, and that was the reason for the whole lawsuit. This is sneaky, and its wrong. They are pushing more and more from state to state. Some Indian tribes are pushing in and taking land for casinos where they never lived or hunted. Sometimes forcefully. We are working to stop this. gtg.

Locally our citizens helped us make a serious effort to sway the attempts by the Miami Indian tribe of Miami Oklahoma to take something like 260,00 acres from our local landowners in a lawsuit just a couple of years ago. By legal force they attempted to force the State of Illinois to give up the acreage or to give them enough land for a casino. This after stating that they "didn't want a casino".... Their strong belief and the belief of many tribes in the US is that if they can establish that they have ever lived in or hunted in an area that they can call it theirs and make it a sovereighn nation free from taxation and our Fed and State Laws. Once a tribe gets a foothold they will declare a piece of property a "reservation", then its off the tax rolls and it becomes a part of their sovereign nation subject to Indian law and the Bureau of Indian Affairs. Our legal system suddenly has very little control or influence and like Vegas etc. the "big boys" come in and foot the bills on a lot of their projects and they also can then bypass our tax system, and statewide and local municipal controls. Tom Mott was one who helped finance the Miami claims to acquire a large chunk of our state. The Miami's also tried this in Kansas City Missouri and in Kansas proper. Even our own elected government representatives such as Jesse Jackson Jr. are helping the Indians with their suit against our own Illinois citizens. This is way too much. Please try to contact Congress and let them know TODAY what you think about this National problem! There are lots of good articles under these urls.