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  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/28/2015 3:28:20 PM PDT · 668 of 935
    smvoice to daniel1212
    Be sure to read the e-mail I posted to you. I wouldn't embarrass you in public here, but your attitude, actions and doctrinal knowledge of the Body of Christ is disgraceful. And I DO mean DIS-GRACE-FUL.
  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/28/2015 3:24:29 PM PDT · 667 of 935
    smvoice to Kandy Atz
    THANK YOU. PRAYERFULLY OTHERS WHO SEEM BENT ON DISGRACEFUL DISPLAYS OF IGNORANCE WHEN IT COMES TO PAUL'S MESSAGE will either read and compare the scriptures for themselves, or hide their faces in shame and embarrassment.

    "STUDY to shew thyself APPROVED unto God, a workman that NEEDETH NOT TO BE ASHAMED, RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH." 2 Tim. 2:15. It's in His word for a reason.

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/28/2015 2:48:59 PM PDT · 661 of 935
    smvoice to redleghunter
    WHAT are you talking about? You are so lost in this you cannot see the foundation of the church and the church the body of Christ? I'm at a complete loss here. THAT BODY YOU DESCRIBED IS THE RESULT OF THE FOUNDATION BEING LAID BY PAUL.

    [[[shaking head]]]]. I cannot help you. I can only pray that God wills that you see Paul's unique ministry; a mystery HID IN GOD until it was REVEALED TO PAUL.

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/28/2015 1:54:12 PM PDT · 655 of 935
    smvoice to redleghunter; MHGinTN; CynicalBear; Kandy Atz; metmom; Mark17; winodog; Iscool; All
    There is a gospel of the millennial kingdom. And there is a gospel of the church the body of Christ. I'm going to attempt to show this to you, as plainly as I know how.

    Paul says he laid a foundation, he DID NOT say he built upon the foundation laid by Christ to Peter and the 11. That would be the foundation of the kingdom church. Paul's foundation is also built upon Christ. The plans and specifications for the building of THIS church were committed to Paul by the glorified Lord HIMSELF. "According to the grace of God which is given to me, as a wise masterbuilder, I HAVE LAID THE FOUNDATION, and another buildeth thereon." 1 Cor. 3:10.

    Indeed, in Eph. 2:20 he also says that we are "built upon the foundation of (laid down by) the apostles and prophets. That is, we are "built upon Jesus". One foundation was laid by Christ to Peter and the 11, The other foundation was laid by Paul UPON the foundation of Christ, also. But if they are the same, why did Christ give Paul plans and specifications for his church?

    We are built upon Jesus Christ; both the millennial kingdom church which was being constructed until Israel rejected Christ as their Messiah and God blinded them (temporarily) and set them aside; And also the church the body of Christ. We know Christ and our church is built on the foundation of HIM, but WE know Him differently now that Peter and the 11, Israel, and all who believed He was their Messiah.

    Whereas Peter and the 11 knew Him as the KING TO REIGN ON THE EARTH, we know Him (THE SAME PERSON) as the GLORIFIED HEAD OF THE BODY.(Eph. 1:19-23.

    Paul, by the Holy Spirit, indicates that a dispensational change has taken place, from being known as the KING to being known as the HEAD OF THE BODY. This is evident here:

    "WHEREFORE HENCEFORTH know we no man after the flesh; yea, THOU WE HAVE KNOWN CHRIST AFTER THE FLESH, YET NOW HENCEFORTH KNOW WE HIM NO MORE." 2 Cor. 5:16.

    Before that time men were expected to trust Jesus as "the Christ, the Son of the Living God," the King to reign as God on David's throne. BUT with the raising up of Paul Israel's rejection of Christ was assumed and WE trust the rejected KING as OUR GLORIFIED LORD AND SAVIOR. Hence, Paul declares:

    "If thou shalt confess with thy mouth JESUS AS LORD, and shalt believe in thy heart that God RAISED Him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." Rom. 10:9.

    The millennial kingdom church, which our Lord spoke to Peter must NOT be confused with the church described in Ephesians. The millennial church was a PROPHESIED CHURCH. The church the body of Christ was a MYSTERY. The plans and specifications for the kingdom church are found in the Old Testament. The plans and specifications for OUR church were "kept secret since the world began"(ROm.16:25), "hid from ages and from generations" (Col.1:26), "in other ages...not made known" (Eph. 3:5), but NOW revealed to and through the Apostle Paul. I know I've already given you this information, but thought I would make it easier for you, if you didn't have to go back and forth between posts.

    Peter and Paul, then BOTH built upon the same foundation, but whereas the millennial kingdom church will be BUILT UPON OUR LORD AS ISRAEL'S MESSIAH, the church of this PRESENT dispensation is BUILT UPON CHRIST AS THE GLORIFIED HEAD OF THE BODY, REJECTED ON EARTH, BUT EXALTED FAR ABOVE ALL, AT GOD'S RIGHT HAND IN HEAVEN.

    This distinction is CLEARLY brought out by a comparison of ACTS 2 WITH 2 Tim. 2. This is new stuff from me to you, so pay close attention here:

    In the FORMER passage Peter declares that God has raised Christ from the dead TO SIT ON THE THRONE OF DAVID (Acts 2:29-36). In the latter passage Paul exhorts Timothy:

    CONSIDER WHAT I SAY; AND THE LORD GIVEN THEE UNDERSTANDING IN ALL THINGS. Remember that Jesus Christ OF THE SEED OF DAVID WAS RAISED FROM THE DEAD ACCORDING TO MY GOSPEL. WHEREIN I SUFFER TROUBLE, AS AN EVIL DOER, even unto bonds; but the WORD OF GOD IS NOT BOUND." 2 Tim. 2:7-9.

    What does this mean? First of all take notice that Paul said if Timothy would consider what Paul was saying, the Lord would give him understanding in all thing. Evidently Paul and the Lord thought this was very important to consider.

    To understand what the apostle means when he says that Jesus Christ, OF THE SEED OF DAVID, was raised from the dead ACCORDING TO HIS GOSPEL, we need to find out where Paul speaks specifically about Christ being raised from the dead, where Christ is seated and what that has to do with David. Ephesians 1 and 2 finds Paul praying that believers might be given the spiritual PERCEPTION TO SEE

    "...what is the hope of His calling, and what the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints,

    AND WHAT IS THE EXCEEDING GREATNESS OF HIS POWER TO US-WARD WHO BELIEVE, ACCORDING TO THE WORKING OF HIS MIGHTY POWER,

    "WHICH HE WROUGHT IN CHRIST, WHEN HE RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD, AND SET HIM AT HIS OWN RIGHT HAND NI THE HEAVENLY PLACES" (ePH. 1:18-20.

    "BUT GOD, WHO IS RICH IN MERCY, FOR HIS GREAT LOVE WHEREWITH HE LOVED US

    "EVEN WHEN WE WERE DEAD IN SINS, HATH QUICKENED US TOGETHER WITH CHRIST, (BY GRACE ARE YE SAVED)

    "AND HATH RAISED US UP TOGETHER, AND MADE US IT TOGETHER IN HEAVENLY PLACES IN CHRIST JESUS". (Eph. 2:4-6).

    So Christ was raised to sit on a throne at the right hand of God. David's throne, the millennial gospel attests to. And that is true. BUT it is ALSO where WE are sitting. We have been raised up together with Him, and made to sit together in heavenly places IN CHRIST.

    Did Peter or the 11 EVER PREACH that believers are now SEATED WITH CHRIST? No they preached that throne as far a it pertained to David. Paul preached that throne as it pertains to the church the body of Christ. Can you not see the difference here?< p>SURELY Peter would have preached such a message as Paul at PENTECOST, HAD he known it. But he DID NOT know it. At Pentecost he proclaimed Christ ONLY AS THE SAVIOR-KING WHOM GOD HAD RAISED TO SIT ON DAVID'S THRONE. He called upon Israel to REPENT AND BE BAPTIZED FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS SO THAT THE TIMES OF REFRESING MIGHT COME AND GOD MIGHT SEND BACK JESUS, WHOM THEY HAD REJECTED AND CRUCIFIED. Acts 3:19-21. Read Peter's Pentecost sermon AGAIN. And see what was ACTUALLY PREACHED by him, NOT what ANTICIPATED REVELATION would tell you he said.

    Prayerfully this gets through to those God wills.

    "Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things" Paul wrote. Consider his words, given by the Holy Spirit. From Christ to Paul to us, the church which is His body. Paul would not have "suffered trouble" over this had it clearly been understood by everyone.

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/28/2015 12:52:12 PM PDT · 650 of 935
    smvoice to redleghunter

    Frankly I have addressed your simple yes or no questions. You just don’t care for my answers. I’m not going to play cat and mouse with you when you cannot even read plainly the words that are placed in front of you. If you want the answers to your questions, go back and read my posts. Don’t complain to ME that you haven’t been addressed. You haven’t been paying attention.

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/28/2015 12:48:58 PM PDT · 648 of 935
    smvoice to redleghunter

    You just still don’t get it. Why would I say that the gospel of grace was first preached in Acts 3 by Peter, when Paul says that gospel was given to HIM to preach, by the risen Christ, and he is not saved until Acts 9. ??

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/28/2015 12:47:34 PM PDT · 647 of 935
    smvoice to redleghunter
    That's very interesting, because it is PAUL himself, BY THE HOLY SPIRIT, that says he received REVELATIONS AND VISIONS from the risen Christ.

    you should be ashamed. Comparing Paul's words to Mormons and Catholics. I'm certain the Holy Spirit wasn't leading you on THAT one.

  • Rome, Her Saints, & the Gospel

    05/28/2015 9:15:25 AM PDT · 10 of 178
    smvoice to RnMomof7
    "...was s mystic and stigmatic also known as "Mary Jesus Crucified." They just can't resist placing her in every point of Christ's life.

    Also known more recently as Marsha Brady. "MARSHA MARSHA MARSHA".

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/28/2015 7:17:38 AM PDT · 609 of 935
    smvoice to daniel1212; Kandy Atz
    You don't see the irony in your post to me, do you? Everything you are accusing me of is what you are doing to me. You just use more words and take up more space. So I'll make this as short and simple as possible. I think you've said here before that you are not a pre-tribulation rapture believer. This is important to this subject we are on, believe it or not.

    If you refuse to see that God has promised to keep us from His wrath, then you cannot see that this Church the Body of Christ has a definite beginning, mission, and end. It begins with Paul. It is built by visions and revelations Paul received from the risen Christ. And it ends when the last member of the Body is saved, making the body complete. I'm not even listing Scriptures for you here. You'll find them, WHERE, do you think? ROMANS THROUGH PHILEMON. That's right: PAUL'S WRITINGS.

    Just where do you think you are going to fit in the tribulation? God will seal 144,000 BELIEVING JEWS to preach the Messianic Gospel. God help anyone who stumbles across you at that time. They only have SEVEN years, NOT FIFTY. You can't say what you mean in only seven years.

    Good luck with all that. I would encourage you to read post 481. Kandy Atz wrote it. Perhaps you would like to write a book to this poster, telling him/her how wrong THEY are. Somehow I doubt that, however. Something tells me Kandy Atz would "contend for the faith once delivered". As you so ironically said. "The faith once delivered" refers to the message that PAUL was given. Which you cannot see, sadly.

    I will say no more. I will pray for you and wish you the best in all you do. Regards, smvoice

  • Roman Catholicism: The One True Church?

    05/27/2015 8:33:40 PM PDT · 583 of 1,017
    smvoice to boatbums

    Here’s a nice one to add: “...I will come to visionS and revelationS of the Lord”. 2 Cor. 12:1. Plural visions and revelations

  • Robert Gates to Boy Scouts: Surrender Your Principles

    05/27/2015 8:29:33 PM PDT · 26 of 32
    smvoice to cothrige

    Bwhahaha!! I’m sure Joseph Goebbels has a great grandson or two who could become “Youth Masters”

  • Roman Catholicism: The One True Church?

    05/27/2015 8:21:16 PM PDT · 579 of 1,017
    smvoice to DeprogramLiberalism

    I’ll take my chances ;)

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/27/2015 8:13:03 PM PDT · 595 of 935
    smvoice to Iscool

    ...and meanwhile Paul had been receiving visionS and revelationS from the risen Christ. Plural.

  • BREAKING: Pope takes major step toward formal heresy

    05/27/2015 8:11:18 PM PDT · 312 of 1,178
    smvoice to terycarl; Iscool

    CRIPES! It’s Hotel Catholicfornia. “..Relax”... the nightman said soothingly...

  • Roman Catholicism: The One True Church?

    05/27/2015 8:05:01 PM PDT · 576 of 1,017
    smvoice to DeprogramLiberalism

    Maybe one day, God willing, we can get into that here. It would be fascinating and you’re just the type of person to lead the discussion (I just read the snippet on your website) :) So of course I want to know more. MORE I tell you!

    regards,

    smvoice

  • Roman Catholicism: The One True Church?

    05/27/2015 7:55:19 PM PDT · 574 of 1,017
    smvoice to DeprogramLiberalism

    Thanks so much for the info. I’m on my way to that link after I finish this post. And BTW: congratulations on being published! I can’t wait to read them. The first creation is the most INTERESTING part of Bible study, IMO. Thanks again! smvoice

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/27/2015 7:52:46 PM PDT · 593 of 935
    smvoice to metmom

    I think it was absolutely necessary under the kingdom gospel. “Repent and be baptized for the remission of sins” sounds pretty clear. If a person desired salvation then, all he could do was what was demanded: repent and be baptized. Fortunately, thankfully, we are not under the law, but grace. :)

  • Roman Catholicism: The One True Church?

    05/27/2015 7:26:06 PM PDT · 572 of 1,017
    smvoice to DeprogramLiberalism

    Thank you. What do you think was on the first created earth? I’ve heard many ideas, and am interested in yours.

  • Practical help for the demon-possessed: Vatican rolls out new exorcism course

    05/27/2015 7:14:00 PM PDT · 16 of 42
    smvoice to MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

    That is what I’ve always believed. Poor thing could spook a stickhorse.

  • Roman Catholicism: The One True Church?

    05/27/2015 7:12:17 PM PDT · 570 of 1,017
    smvoice to DeprogramLiberalism

    I didn’t realize I WAS arguing as though I didn’t believe in a first creation age. I understand what you’re saying “for God so loved the world” meaning the first creation. I was thinking of the RE-creation that He was talking about. Before THAT re-created world was begun, He had already planned what this re-created world would be comprised of. Mankind. And He had a plan for mankind before He created them or the world they were going to occupy. I meant no harm.