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  • Who Really Speaks For God?

    05/24/2015 8:38:34 PM PDT · 99 of 113
    smvoice to Old Yeller

    Bookmark to read slowly.

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/24/2015 8:23:42 PM PDT · 293 of 302
    smvoice to af_vet_1981; MHGinTN; CynicalBear; Kandy Atz
    What does the word "gospel" mean? It means "good news". To say the Bible presents only one gospel is like saying God has sent man only one item of good news down through the ages.

    God uses DISTINCTIVE terms to designate the various items of good news, gospels. There is "the gospel of the kingdom" (Matt. 9:35), "the gospel of the grace of God" (Acts 20:24), "the gospel of the circumcision" (Gal. 2:7), the "gospel of the uncircumcision" (Gal. 2:7).

    SURELY if GOD distinguishes between these gospels (good news) they CANNOT BE EXACTLY THE SAME.

    God has revealed His good news (gospels) to man progressively. From Adam and Eve to Abraham to Moses to David to the prophets to John the Baptist to Matt Mark Luke John. The gospel He shared with Adam and Eve was that the woman's seed should some day crush the head of the Serpent (Gen. 3:15).

    The good news (gospel) that He preached to Abraham that in him (Abraham) all nations should be blessed.(Gal. 3:8).

    On and on through OT Scriptures God proclaims more and more good news to man.

    And it does not change with the NT. The Lord sent His apostles to proclaim "the gospel (good news) of the kingdom" (Luke 9:1-6). But note: At the time they were given this, they did NOT EVEN KNOW that Christ was to die. (Luke 18:31-34.

    The gospel of the kingdom is the good news that the Kingdom, once prophesied, was at hand. This gospel takes us back to David, with whom the covenant of the kingdom was made. This is preached by the 12 during Christ's time on earth and after His crucifixion and until Israel is blinded (temporarily) and set aside (Acts. 28). And it will be preached again during the tribulation and the return of Jesus Christ to set up His millennial Kingdom.

    What is the good news (gospel) of the circumcision? This gospel (good news) takes us back BEFORE David to Abraham, with whom the covenant of circumcision was made. (Gen. 17:11)

    The gospel of the uncircumcision takes us back BEFORE David and Abraham to ABRAM who, as an UNCIRCUMCISED HEATHEN, was JUSTIFIED BY FAITH.

    The gospel of the grace of God is based solely on grace, no difference between Jew and Gentile, no relation to ordinances or signs (1 Cor. 6:11, Phil. 3:3) Col, 2:9-12) and first committed to Paul.(1 Tim. 1:16).

    So are they all the same? Or are they different as God's word to man progressed, so did His good news (Gospels)?

    But there MUST be a thread that links them together. Something that, although each good news (gospel) is a further revelation from God, still resides in each one, even if it is not revealed at the time it is given. It is: the GOSPEL OF THE GRACE OF GOD. That was first committed to Paul. It is in THIS good news (gospel) that the summit of God's revelation resides.

    How can we know this? "In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ ACCORDING TO MY GOSPEL." (Rom. 2:16). The "MY GOSPEL" is Paul's gospel. THis is where the Bible led up to and was and is and will always be. THIS GOSPEL, the GOOD NEWS that Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again the third day (1 Cor. 15:2-4); that "by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast." (Eph. 2:8,9).

  • From Southern Baptist to Goddess Worship, Sue Monk Kidd

    05/24/2015 7:39:31 PM PDT · 169 of 191
    smvoice to Elsie

    “...so?....” they ask piously.

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/24/2015 7:34:17 PM PDT · 286 of 302
    smvoice to Kandy Atz
    A HUGE AMEN, Kandy! ANd you are right, show me ONE member of the Body of Christ at that time. And the answer is NO. Because it had not been FORMED at that time. Because in order to be placed into the Body of Christ, a person must believe that Christ died for their sins, was buried, and rose again the third day, and that by grace are we saved through faith,and that not of ourselves, it is the gift of God not of works, lest any man should boast: the gospel of the grace of God.

    And since that gospel was given by Christ to Paul to preach, and Paul had not yet given this information to the 12, then the gospel THEY preached could NOT have been the gospel of the grace of God. It could only have been the gospel of the kingdom. :)

    It doesn't take Columbo to figure this out. Just READ what the word SAYS, Not what you THINK it says..

  • Who Really Speaks For God?

    05/24/2015 7:08:55 PM PDT · 73 of 113
    smvoice to terycarl; metmom

    “Archdiocesan funds”??? I thought we were told that the RCC was practically poor. It was just that Vatican gift shop that was responsible for her income...

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/24/2015 7:00:16 PM PDT · 280 of 302
    smvoice to af_vet_1981; MHGinTN

    Hey af vet, have you heard the good news?

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/24/2015 6:56:43 PM PDT · 279 of 302
    smvoice to Zuriel
    I'm not understanding what you are trying to say, Zuriel. "There was no remission of sins until the crucifixion of Jesus Christ...": Mark 1:4: "John (the Baptist) did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins."

    "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved." Mark 16:16.

    Both of these are examples of the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins, preached by John the Baptist and Christ BEFORE Christ's crucifixion.

    The reason this is important is the anyone who was there and who was convicted of sin KNEW what they MUST do to be saved: REPENT AND BE BAPTIZED. No doubt about that. Right?

    The baptism of repentance for the remission of sins was part of the "Great Commission" given to the 12 by Christ. Matthew 28:19 and Mark 16:16 are clear. Right?

    And so it was also preached AFTER Christ's crucifixion and resurrection and ascencion, as Acts 2:38 CLEARLY states. Right? The "great commission" demanded repentance AND baptism for sins to be remitted.

    I'm not sure WHAT point you're trying to make with the baptism of the Holy Spirit. You'll have to be clearer.

    As far as Peter and Cornelius, you are not understanding what I'm saying here. The Great Commission states: "AND HE SAID UNTO THEM, GO YE INTO ALL THE WORLD, AND PREACH THE GOSPEL TO EVERY CREATURE. That they were to go into all the world was clear. There was no misunderstanding. right? So, why did Peter need a vision about unclean things? And why did he doubt in himself what that vision meant? And what did it matter? There was nothing in the great commission about clean and unclean things, it was about preaching the gospel to all the world. Right? Then why did Peter hesitate? WHy did he question the Lord? The great commission says "go". Why did Peter hesitate? He was filled with the Holy SPirit, right?

  • From Southern Baptist to Goddess Worship, Sue Monk Kidd

    05/24/2015 5:55:45 PM PDT · 154 of 191
    smvoice to metmom

    AMEN. You cannot cherry-pick the parts of Scripture that you really like and ignore the rest. He specifically stated the word “SHALL”, not “may” or “should” or “perhaps”. SHALL. Boy would THAT make a great Bible study subject...:)

  • Ireland Goes Gay

    05/24/2015 5:47:33 PM PDT · 57 of 57
    smvoice to cothrige

    AMEN. You cannot preach from the gutter and tell others they are on the low road.

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/24/2015 4:56:36 PM PDT · 275 of 302
    smvoice to Seven_0

    Where, in that Scripture, does it say the Paul wrote Hebrews? I believe that every one of Paul’s Epistles ends with his name as the author of it. And yet Hebrews does not.

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/24/2015 4:27:21 PM PDT · 271 of 302
    smvoice to MHGinTN; af_vet_1981

    I’m sure af vet forgot that I corrected my mistake of saying Acts 29 when I should have said Acts 28...so when he states that I said Acts 29 you of course would not agree with me. DUH...:) SURELY he meant no harm...

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/24/2015 4:05:28 PM PDT · 268 of 302
    smvoice to editor-surveyor

    I also would like to know which Scripture in Hebrews you are using to support your position regarding Moses and Paul preaching the “same exact gospel”. Thank you

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/24/2015 4:01:19 PM PDT · 267 of 302
    smvoice to editor-surveyor

    Show me where Paul wrote Hebrews. WHere can I find that information?

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/24/2015 4:00:26 PM PDT · 266 of 302
    smvoice to editor-surveyor

    Fortunately your opinion is worthless to God. It’s HIS opinion that matters and will endure.

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/24/2015 3:57:35 PM PDT · 265 of 302
    smvoice to Cvengr

    AMEN. Not a one of us reaches for anything other than the Bible to support our beliefs. And yet, the other side cannot seem to make a point without resorting to some man’s book or doctrinal statement or church father’s belief in order to try and prop up their argument. If a person needs to go outside God’s word to prove God’s point, something is REALLY WRONG>

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/24/2015 3:51:55 PM PDT · 264 of 302
    smvoice to af_vet_1981
    ...So Peter stood up on the day of Pentecost and gave that memorable sermon; how that Christ died FOR OUR SINS, was buried and rose again the third day..that the cross was the GOOD NEWS of our salvation through the finished work of Christ...that there is now no difference between Jew and Gentile, that Jew and Gentile are now one body, the middle wall of partition has been removed and we are now one new man in Christ...that by grace are you saved through faith and that not of yourselves it is the gift of God, not of works lest any man should boast..that there is now one baptism, BY the Holy Spirit whereby He places us into the Body of Christ...that our blessings are spiritual and to seek those things which are above, not on earth...

    Did Peter preach these things on the day of Pentecost? Even ONE of these things? No, he did NOT. These things were given to Paul to preach, the gospel of the grace of God.

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/24/2015 3:42:31 PM PDT · 262 of 302
    smvoice to Zuriel
    Your last sentence: Sorry Zuriel, but that is just not true. As in evidenced by Paul's ministry compared to Peter and the 11. You may not BELIEVE that it changed, but it DID change.

    If Paul were given the same commission as Peter and the 11, why not save him before the day of Pentecost and make him the 12th Apostle? He wasn't made the 12th because his ministry, given to him by the RIsen Christ, was different.

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/24/2015 3:38:48 PM PDT · 261 of 302
    smvoice to Zuriel
    Yes, the same message is being preached in Acts 5 that was preached in Acts 2. And Matt and Mark and Luke and John. And everywhere up to the point that Paul is saved, Acts 9. The Lord did not send Paul to Cornelius for a very important reason. Read Acts 10 carefully. Did Peter jump at the opportunity to witness to Cornelius as part of the great commission to go to all nations? No. He had to be given a vision about this. And he even questioned that. And he STILL told Cornelius that it was unlawful for a Jew to "keep company" or "come unto one of another nation" BUT God had SHOWED him to go. NOT TOLD him as part of the great commission. Christ showed Peter this AFTER the kingdom commission was given to him and the 11. That's important.

    Until the time Israel is blinded (temporarily) and set aside, (Acts 28), Paul confirmed the covenants God made with Israel and kept the law. Once they were set aside, the ordinances that were contained in the law were blotted out. Col. 2:9-14. Paul had a two fold ministry. First he confirmed the covenants and promises made to Israel and second he proclaimed the gospel of the grace of God. As long as Israel was still operating as God's favored people, they were given the gospel of the kingdom, to accept whereby Christ would return and set up the Kingdom. Once they rejected the gospel of the kingdom and Christ as Messiah, there was no longer a gospel of the kingdom to proclaim. There was no one to proclaim it to. The gospel of the grace of God superceded it and will until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. At which time the Church the Body of Christ is removed and God removes the scales from Israel's eyes and the kingdom gospel is once again preached. Think about it: once the Body of Christ is raptured, who is there to preach the gospel of the grace of God to? Knowing that this gospel, when believed, places us into the Body of Christ, once that Body is complete, it is removed from this earth to heaven. There is no more Body left to fill. It is complete. This is why the dispensation of the grace of God ends. And why the kingdom message is once again proclaimed.

  • Who Really Speaks For God?

    05/24/2015 2:05:48 PM PDT · 4 of 113
    smvoice to RnMomof7

    BUMP for reading this evening. THANKS

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/24/2015 1:45:52 PM PDT · 244 of 302
    smvoice to af_vet_1981

    What is your problem? Do you want to study Scripture or just insanely repeat yourself? If you care to study God’s word, give me some Scripture to support your “views”. Just as I give you Scripture.

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/24/2015 1:35:28 PM PDT · 242 of 302
    smvoice to MHGinTN; don-o; CynicalBear
    The Book of Galatians helps tremendously in this area. Particularly Chap. 2:5-10. Paul tells of his journey to Jerusalem again where he met with at least James, Cephas (Peter) and John. In verse 2 Paul states clearly that he went there by revelation (from Jesus Christ, obviously), in order to communicate to them THAT GOSPEL WHICH HE PREACHED AMONG THE GENTILES. Obviously, if it was the same gospel that Peter and the 11 had been commissioned to preach, Paul would not have described his at THAT GOSPEL. If he differentiating, there HAS to be more than one gospel.

    Verse 6 says that they (at least Peter, James and John) added nothing to what Paul told them. Why?

    Verse 7 tells us. When they SAW that the gospel Paul preached, the gospel of the uncircumcision was COMMITTED TO PAUL; just as the gospel of the circumcision was COMMITTED TO PETER they knew that he that wrought effectually in Peter as the apostle of the circumcision, the SAME HE was mighty toward Paul, as the apostle of the uncircumcision. Verse 8. That He would be Jesus Christ.

    Do Peter, James, or John try to teach Paul anything? When they hear his gospel of the uncircumcision do they SEE that there is a DIFFERENCE between what they have been commissioned to preach to the circumcision and what Paul has been commissioned to preach to the uncircumcision?

    Verse 9 gives us the outcome of this meeting. When James, and Peter, and John PERCEIVED THE GRACE THAT WAS GIVEN TO PAUL,they gave to Paul and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship. The GRACE that was GIVEN TO PAUL. Surely it doesn't mean his way of speaking, that he was graceful in his preaching. It was the gospel of the grace of God that Christ gave to Paul to give to the Gentiles. THAT is what they perceived and gave their hands of fellowship to Paul for. They would go to the circumcision and Paul would go to the uncircumcision (heathen).

    Notice something BIG happening here? The "Great commission", the kingdom gospel, that Peter and the 11 were given, to go to ALL THE NATIONS, beginning at Jerusalem was changed to THEM STAYING AND MINISTERING TO THE JEWS with the KINGDOM GOSPEL, and PAUL MINISTERING TO THE GENTILES WITH HIS GOSPEL.ANd we know that what they bound on earth was bound in heaven and what they loosed on earth was loosed in heaven. That, too, was part of the "great commission.

    So, did Paul receive and preach a different gospel than Peter and the 11?

    "IN THE DAY WHEN GOD SHALL JUDGE THE SECRETS OF MEN BY JESUS CHRIST ACCORDING TO MY GOSPEL". Rom. 2:16. Clearly he did. Unless he was lying in Rom. 2:16. And countless other places in his epistles.

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/24/2015 1:02:03 PM PDT · 240 of 302
    smvoice to af_vet_1981

    I thought you knew how to study God’s word. Comparing Scripture with Scripture to have a full understanding. Evidently you are not familiar with this. No amount of Scripture I can give you will help you, that’s obvious. Good luck with your Bible study.

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/24/2015 10:21:16 AM PDT · 235 of 302
    smvoice to af_vet_1981
    "Be it known unto therefore unto you, that the SALVATION OF GOD IS SENT UNTO THE GENTILES, AND THAT THEY WILL HEAR IT."Acts 28:28.

    "What then? ISRAEL hath NOT OBTAINED that which he seeketh for; but the ELECTION HATH OBTAINED IT, and THE REST WERE BLINDED." Rom.11:7.

    "For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant OF THIS MYSTERY, lest ye should be wise in your own conceit; that BLINDNESS IN PART IS HAPPENED TO ISRAEL, UNTIL THE FULNESS OF THE GENTILES BE COME IN." Rom. 11:25.

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/24/2015 9:19:03 AM PDT · 232 of 302
    smvoice to af_vet_1981
    Oh please. Yes, af. Yes my stating "Acts 29" instead of Acts 28 was in error.

    happy now??

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/24/2015 7:30:23 AM PDT · 227 of 302
    smvoice to don-o; CynicalBear
    You must be right. Peter must be talking about Paul's difficulty with his writing skills...perhaps he only knew a few words and just couldn't make them make sense in areas where more words were needed...It couldn't be that some of the things Paul wrote about were HARD TO UNDERSTAND. THAT WOULD BE TOO LITERAL>

    Please. If you are not willing to READ what is CLEARLY written, you are adding nothing but confusion to the issue. It's not that complicated, don-o. Just read what it says. NOT what you THINK it says or what you've been TOLD it says.

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/23/2015 8:34:58 PM PDT · 206 of 302
    smvoice to editor-surveyor

    I will NOT leave your posted unanswered. For anyone to think it is correct. If you cannot understand the simple words rightly divide the word of truth, God help you. The words lie, false doctrine do not appear there. only the word of truth. Now off you go..

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/23/2015 8:26:31 PM PDT · 204 of 302
    smvoice to editor-surveyor

    This post right here tells me all I WANT to know and hear from you. Thank you for playing. Your parting gift is located at the desk. It is the missing Epistles of Paul. Good luck and good reading.

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/23/2015 8:23:08 PM PDT · 202 of 302
    smvoice to editor-surveyor
    editor, it specifically states "rightly dividing THE WORD OF TRUTH." think, man. THINK. The Word of truth can be rightly divided, according to this Scripture. It does not say word of truth from false doctrines. Not only that, we will be approved workmen who need not be ashamed before God IF we heed this Scripture. For the love of pete, either read God's word AS IT IS WRITTEN, or leave me alone. I cannot deal with someone who posts over and over things he APPEARS to think are written in Scripture. And when they are pointed out and carefully posted for his enlightenment, he APPEARS to resort to some kind of foreign language understanding. PLEASE
  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/23/2015 8:08:11 PM PDT · 197 of 302
    smvoice to editor-surveyor

    How would you know? You don’t APPEAR to have Paul’s epistles in your Bible. You certainly don’t APPEAR to read them.

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/23/2015 8:06:46 PM PDT · 195 of 302
    smvoice to Religion Moderator; editor-surveyor

    You are absolutely right. I should have said “you appear to refuse to see”. Is that right?

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/23/2015 8:01:04 PM PDT · 192 of 302
    smvoice to editor-surveyor

    LOL! WHICH “gospels”? The Gospel of the kingdom, found in Matt Mark Luke John and Acts 1-3 and Heb. through Rev.? Or the Gospel of the Grace of God? Found in Romans through Philemon and Acts 9-28?

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/23/2015 7:58:30 PM PDT · 190 of 302
    smvoice to editor-surveyor
    Paul writes "rightly dividing the word of truth". And editor says that addresses the teaching of false doctrine. What part of God's word do you find false? Because in order for this to mean false teaching, part of it would have to be false.

    OBVIOUSLY it means rightly dividing truth from truth. NOT truth from a lie. There is no lie in God's word. Rightly dividing truth from truth is exactly what gives you dispensationalism. But you cannot see this

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/23/2015 7:53:10 PM PDT · 185 of 302
    smvoice to terycarl

    PROVE that is where Peter went. PROVE it from Scripture. Or stop giving it as fact.

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/23/2015 7:50:51 PM PDT · 183 of 302
    smvoice to editor-surveyor

    Prove that it was spread well before Pentecost. Show me the Scriptures that say it.

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/23/2015 7:49:53 PM PDT · 182 of 302
    smvoice to terycarl

    PROVE that Catholicism was the ONLY church for 16 centuries. PROVE that no other people existed. Or stop saying it. If you cannot prove it, you cannot state it as fact. And have any respect.

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/23/2015 7:46:53 PM PDT · 180 of 302
    smvoice to xzins; editor-surveyor

    2 sentences that come from 2 different dispensations. If you followed 2 Tim. 2:15, editor, you would already know this.

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/23/2015 7:44:17 PM PDT · 179 of 302
    smvoice to editor-surveyor
    "Nowhere does the word of God call for a church or a church age."

    "And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things TO THE CHURCH, WHICH IS HIS BODY."Eph. 1:22,23.

    You should check out your Bible. It seems to be missing Paul's epistles, editor...

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/23/2015 7:35:35 PM PDT · 176 of 302
    smvoice to editor-surveyor
    THAT IN THE DISPENSATION OF THE FULNESS OF TIMES HE MIGHT GATHER TOGETHER IN ONE ALL THINGS IN CHRIST, BOTHWHICH ARE IN HEAVEN< AND WHICH ARE ON EARTH: EVEN IN HIM." Eph. 1:10.

    Been reading your Bible long? Ephesians is our friend.

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/23/2015 7:33:08 PM PDT · 175 of 302
    smvoice to af_vet_1981

    Acts 28. ACTS 28. Sorry for the mis-numbered Scripture. I’m sure it has you all perplexed...

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/23/2015 7:31:28 PM PDT · 173 of 302
    smvoice to af_vet_1981

    Not worth my time. Take it up with God.

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/23/2015 7:30:39 PM PDT · 172 of 302
    smvoice to Zuriel
    I told you that the first part of Acts had to be understood before we could go on to Cornelius. And I don't think that's happened. But forward I shall trek.

    "But Peter took him (Cornelius) up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man."

    "And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together."

    "And he (Peter) said unto them, Ye KNOW HOW THAT IT IS AN UNLAWFUL THING for a man THAT IS A JEW to KEEP COMPANY, or come unto ONE OF ANOTHER NATION, but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean." ACTS 10:26-28.

    Got that? Peter STILL believed it was unlawful to go to Gentiles until God showed him...WHEN, when did God show Peter that he should not call any man common or unclean? In Matt. Mark Luke John or Acts 1-3? No. It was in the vision God gave Peter in Acts 10:9. If he doesn't know until then that it is okay to go to Gentiles, how in the name of all that is sane would a person believe that Peter and the 11 preached the gospel of the grace of God in Matt. Mark Luke John or Acts 1-3?

    BTW: you'll note that Peter is given this vision in Acts 10. Paul is saved in Acts 9. Important?

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/23/2015 7:16:15 PM PDT · 169 of 302
    smvoice to xzins
    "That in the dispensation of the fullness of times he might gather together in ONE ALL THINGS in Christ, BOTH which are IN HEAVEN, and which are ON EARTH; even IN HIM." Eph. 1:10.

    That pretty much sums it up, xzins. Wouldn't you agree..

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/23/2015 7:12:59 PM PDT · 166 of 302
    smvoice to af_vet_1981

    What happens when Israel is blinded and set aside in Acts 29, af? Is Paul blinded, too or is he just left with 50-50 vision, half for Jews and half for Gentiles? Wake up and read what God PLAINLY SAYS.

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/23/2015 6:58:04 PM PDT · 161 of 302
    smvoice to editor-surveyor

    You, a Rood junkie, can tell me what is Scriptural and what is not?? Please. Tell it to someone who is willing to learn from you. Maybe deaf or comatose.

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/23/2015 6:31:22 PM PDT · 159 of 302
    smvoice to af_vet_1981

    LOL! Well, I don’t live in Pilot Mountain, so that building cannot be my “church”, now can it?

  • Necessity of Mass

    05/23/2015 5:44:40 PM PDT · 14 of 29
    smvoice to aMorePerfectUnion

    tee-hee...Oh what the what...BWHAHAHAHA!!!

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/23/2015 5:43:28 PM PDT · 155 of 302
    smvoice to winodog

    AMEN, Les Feldick! He is an EXCELLENT teacher!

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/23/2015 5:29:50 PM PDT · 152 of 302
    smvoice to MHGinTN; Rashputin

    I had NO IDEA that St. Paul was a follower of DARBY!!! Who knew, when he wrote his epistles, he was reading Darby and understanding the rapture of the Body of Christ through him...lol!

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/23/2015 5:26:03 PM PDT · 151 of 302
    smvoice to Zuriel; CynicalBear
    Zuriel, I don't want to leave you with the impression that I'm dismissing your posts or not interested in sharing dispensationalism with you. It's just that we need a starting point with this. A foundation. I'm sure you saw "The Miracle Worker" years ago, about Helen Keller and her teacher, Annie Sullivan. That is exactly who I felt like when I was first studying dispensationalism: Helen Keller. Once teacher Annie broke through to Helen, and Helen put together the feeling of water with that word water, she was able to understand. And off she went, learning and growing. It's a similar situation with this. The first thing that is needed is an overview of Acts. And the gospel of the kingdom and the gospel of the grace of God, law and grace, and Peter and Paul. I'm going to begin with the day of Pentecost.

    When Peter stood up on the day of Pentecost and declared that the last days had come (Acts 2:16,17) he demonstrated that he was totally ignorant of God's plan to usher in another dispensation. Of grace. That would be interjected between Acts and the tribulation period.

    It wasn't a failing in Peter himself, on the day of Pentecost the followers of Christ were all FILLED WITH THE HOLY GHOST"(Acts 2:4).

    What Peter said was, ACCORDING TO PROPHETIC SCRIPTURES, CORRECT. In the face of what had happened and what was happening, they were indeed in the last days.

    This is clear if we simply remember not to ANTICIPATE REVELATION. If we remember that God's PURPOSE concerning THIS PRESENTY DISPENSATION was then STILL A MYSTERY. As far as God's REVEALED PROPHETIC PLAN was concerned, the last days- that had so long been prophesied and hoped for (Gen.49:1, Num. 24:14; Deut.4:30; Isa. 2:2; Dan. 2:28; Hos. 3:5; Mic. 4:1, Joel 2:28,29) had begun. Israel's long-promised Messiah had appeared, had died, and risen again, had ascended to God the Father's right hand and had sent the Holy Spirit to guide and empower His believers as they prepared to go through Daniel's 70th week, the tribulation. The next item on the prophetic program would be the tribulation period with the judgment of the nations (the gentiles) and Messiah's return, to set up His kingdom. (The kingdom they asked Him about in Acts1:6).

    This is why Peter stood up and said "THIS IS THAT which was spoken by the prophet Joel:" (Acts 2:15-20). So this was the situation on the day of Pentecost. The apostles didn't preach Christ dying for our sins, because they didn't know that yet. They had a ministry of prophecy concerning Messiah and His kingdom, of which they were to rule in, judging the 12 tribes of Israel.

    This is the whole point of OT prophecies: the coming of Messiah and the establishment of His kingdom in the last days. Even the NT Scriptures view Christ's coming and kingdom as the great climax of the prophetic program (Mark 1:15, Luke `:68-75; Acts 3:21-24, 1 Peter 1:11).

    Peter's great Pentecostal message was given to a large body of Jews from many countries who had gathered a t Jerusalem to observe the feast of Pentecost. It represented the beginning of the harvest for the nation of Israel, from a scattered nation to a complete nation.

    When the Holy Spirit came and they began speaking in tongues, they knew what was happening. Joel's prophecy was being fulfilled. This is why you will not read of Peter stating that Christ died for our sins, and preaching the cross as good news, or declaring the gospel of the grace of God. He did not know this yet. And he would not know it until Paul. Paul was given the dispensation of the grace of God to minister to the Gentiles and believing Jews.

    Peter and the 11 were doing exactly as Christ had commissioned them to do: Preach the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM.

    Anticipating revelation is what confuses the situation. If Acts (and the whole Bible for that matter) is read just as it is written, you will see that the prophecy of the OT, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and Acts up to the point of Acts 9, and Hebrews through Revelation is all about prophecy. The Messianic Kingdom. Only Acts 9-28, and Romans through Philemon speak of a mystery, hid in God from before the foundation of the world until revealed to Paul who revealed it to us. That was the commission Christ gave to him. Peter and the 11 could not preach of the mystery, and the grace of God, and the preaching of the cross as good news because it was HID IN GOD UNTIL IT WAS REVEALED TO PAUL.

    Here is an example of this: "When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou AT THIS TIME RESTORE AGAIN the KINGDOM TO ISRAEL?" (Acts 1:6).

    "And he said unto them, It is NOT FOR YOU TO KNOW THE TIMES OR THE SEASONS, which the FATHER HAS PUT IN HIS OWN POWER." (Acts 1:7.

    Times and seasons. Dispensations. That God the Father has in His own power. That are given according to His purposes and will.

  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/23/2015 4:23:48 PM PDT · 147 of 302
    smvoice to editor-surveyor; CynicalBear; MHGinTN; BereanBrain

    Total Nonsense is right. There IS someone who is going to be “taken out of the way”. It’s called the Church the Body of Christ, and “taken out” means RAPTURED.