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After reading your reply I thought you might like this:

pdf of what the local news is reporting Hawaii sent:
http://www.kvoa.com/files/Verification%20In%20Lieu%20of%20Certified%20Copy.PDF

From:
http://www.kvoa.com/news/hawaii-sends-ariz-sos-bennett-verification-of-obama-s-birth/

“PHOENIX - Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett has received the verification of President Obama’s birth certificate that he requested last week, and he states that he now considers the matter closed.

“Late yesterday, our office received the ‘verification in-lieu of certified copy’ from officials within the Hawaii Department of Health that we requested in March,” reads a statement released by Bennett today. “They have officially confirmed that the information in the copy of the Certificate of Live Birth for the President matches the original record in their files.

Last week, Bennett said in a radio interview that Obama’s status on Arizona’s ballot was in question unless Hawaii verified his birthplace. He also said that while he personally believes President Obama was born in Hawaii, he was fulfilling the request of a constituent.

“As Arizona’s chief elections officer, I have the responsibility to certify the ballot to the state’s 15 counties,” reads today’s statement from Bennett. “At the request of numerous constituents, I merely asked Hawaiian officials to verify the information contained within President Obama’s original birth certificate. They have complied with the request and I consider the matter closed.”

Interesting day here yesterday.

One of the things that happened is that the ‘good old boy’ Chairman of LD29, James Kelley, had a melt down at the LD meeting and told an *Elected* Precinct Committeeman (PC) that he was was no longer a PC and ejected him from the property. (Being private property this PC did leave peaceably, as his entire demeanor was peaceable. The chairman didn’t like his questions.)

I hope to get back to this thread tonight.

There are some good comments and questions here that I will address when I get back from a GOP meeting this afternoon. Thanks for participating in this discussion. I believe that the solution to bad ideas is more discussion, not censorship, as that can then lead to corrective actions.

That discussion is being carried out here in Pima County by the ‘young’ (under 50 being young in this case!) Republicans here who are energized and reaching out to the all those who witnessed just how bad things are here last night.

Here is one person’s observations:

An open letter to the Pima and Arizona GOP from Tom Gilfeather
( https://www.facebook.com/groups/215684591806716?ap=1 ):

I am a registered Republican in Pima county who attempted to attend the special meeting called for July 15 to vote on a change in the by-laws and to remove Brian Miller as Chairman of the Pima County GOP. Since I am not a Precinct Committeeman, I had no expectation that I would be able to speak or vote at that meeting. However, in the interests of transparency in the workings of my local party, I believe I should at least have been invited to observe the proceedings.

My understanding was that registered Republicans would be able to attend and I took several hours out of my day to do so. I was concerned, because serious, if very tenuous, accusations were made against Brian Miller. He has the right to answer them and members of the party have a right to hear a detailed explanation of the accusations against him, as well as his defense, in the time-honored tradition of this Republic. Unfortunately Mr. Miller was afforded no such consideration and was removed as Chairman of the Executive Committee through a process that could only charitably be described as murky.

Although I am a registered member of the Republican party I was not permitted to witness the process. As a result, I have absolutely NO confidence the Executive Committee properly followed its rules or that this was a fair or open process. I am appalled by the lack of respect for both Mr. Miller and the rank-and-file members of the GOP on the part of some members of Pima County’s Executive Committee.

Equally appalling was the scene at the doors outside the meeting place at the Manning House. I watched as one Precinct Committeeman was initially refused entry because he was carrying notes and his own copy of the by-laws. They obviously realized the absurdity of their position, as he was eventually admitted, but only after a humiliating search of his documents.

Scores of us were kept standing outside in the heat, without even the courtesy of an explanation, while they slowly allowed PCs into the building and checked there names against a “list,” the provenance of which was a mystery to all of us standing outside.

A friend of mine, who was recently appointed a Precinct Committeeman was told that his name was not on the list, despite his having applied for the position weeks ago. Was it because they were unsure of his vote? He told me that when he questioned the absence of his name on the list, Anne Stephenson, the wife of an Executive Committee member, who apparently selected herself as Committee bouncer, threatened to have him arrested. How insulting to have a door closed and locked in your face! Is this how you hope to recruit new members?

The final insult came when one of the proprietors of Manning House stepped outside and nervously, albeit apologetically, asked us to leave the property. None of us left outside had anything against her as we understood that private property must be respected. But before we even had a chance to start moving or talk to Brian Miller, who had promised to get back to us on whether or not we could enter, they had the police ask us to leave.

So now the Pima County GOP apparently considers its members intruders and trespassers.

It sounds a lot like the way Washington Democrats have treated us.

Got distracted by one of my children and forgot to post the attribution link at the top of the comment: https://www.facebook.com/groups/215684591806716

The GOP Dinosaurs won last night, but remember what happened to the dinosaurs.

Senator Antenori's claim last night that Pima County could somehow take credit for "the most conservative legislature in state history" was only slightly more disgusting than the roar of approval than greeted his utterance.

I don't know if he was intentionally misleading, or if he is really unaware of the LD lines. The boundaries or part or all of six legislative districts fall within Pima County. Of those, three have Republican representation, LD 25, LD 26, and LD 30.

Guess what those three LDs have in common. All three of them extend outside of Pima County.

Of the three districts entirely within Pima County there is not a single Republican Legislator. We have a Mayor who is registered in the Republican party, and one Republican City Council Member. We have two Republican County Supervisors.

Four elected officials from Pima County proper. Out of the 12 seats available in the city and the county we hold 4. 33%. If you throw in the nine legislative seats for a total of 21 available seats, we hold 14%

That's what Antenori claims is great achievement, and the majority of the PCs in Pima County agree with him.

No wonder we loose. We think 14% is a victory.

What Antenori didn't share is that the Republican plan for Pima County is to essentially build a political wall around it and cede it to the Democrats. They've given up on winning elections in Pima County.

If this were really about elections, they would have recognized Frank's chicanery for what it was, eloquent, but empty rhetoric.

So again, I say, for the Dinasaurs who want to preserve the status quo at all costs, this is not about elections, this about their club and keeping everyone who is not like them out.

Well, they may be content calcifying and cedeing Pima County to the Democrats. They may be content with Detroit being more business friendly than Tucson. They may be content with Tucson hemoraging those educated at the UofA into other communities because we refuse to create a community here where new graduates can live and prosper.

But I, and true conservatives like me, are not. We are desperately concerned about our community and we do not want to allow Antenori, Proud, and Melvin, whose Districts' boundaries fall outside our county to ghettoize us.

The Republican party is not a social club and it is time that the Dinosaurs and their "leaders" like Melvin, Proud, and Antenori learned that.

An open letter to the Pima and Arizona GOP from Tom Gilfeather
( https://www.facebook.com/groups/215684591806716?ap=1 ):

I am a registered Republican in Pima county who attempted to attend the special meeting called for July 15 to vote on a change in the by-laws and to remove Brian Miller as Chairman of the Pima County GOP. Since I am not a Precinct Committeeman, I had no expectation that I would be able to speak or vote at that meeting. However, in the interests of transparency in the workings of my local party, I believe I should at least have been invited to observe the proceedings.

My understanding was that registered Republicans would be able to attend and I took several hours out of my day to do so. I was concerned, because serious, if very tenuous, accusations were made against Brian Miller. He has the right to answer them and members of the party have a right to hear a detailed explanation of the accusations against him, as well as his defense, in the time-honored tradition of this Republic. Unfortunately Mr. Miller was afforded no such consideration and was removed as Chairman of the Executive Committee through a process that could only charitably be described as murky.

Although I am a registered member of the Republican party I was not permitted to witness the process. As a result, I have absolutely NO confidence the Executive Committee properly followed its rules or that this was a fair or open process. I am appalled by the lack of respect for both Mr. Miller and the rank-and-file members of the GOP on the part of some members of Pima County’s Executive Committee.

Equally appalling was the scene at the doors outside the meeting place at the Manning House. I watched as one Precinct Committeeman was initially refused entry because he was carrying notes and his own copy of the by-laws. They obviously realized the absurdity of their position, as he was eventually admitted, but only after a humiliating search of his documents.

Scores of us were kept standing outside in the heat, without even the courtesy of an explanation, while they slowly allowed PCs into the building and checked there names against a “list,” the provenance of which was a mystery to all of us standing outside.

A friend of mine, who was recently appointed a Precinct Committeeman was told that his name was not on the list, despite his having applied for the position weeks ago. Was it because they were unsure of his vote? He told me that when he questioned the absence of his name on the list, Anne Stephenson, the wife of an Executive Committee member, who apparently selected herself as Committee bouncer, threatened to have him arrested. How insulting to have a door closed and locked in your face! Is this how you hope to recruit new members?

The final insult came when one of the proprietors of Manning House stepped outside and nervously, albeit apologetically, asked us to leave the property. None of us left outside had anything against her as we understood that private property must be respected. But before we even had a chance to start moving or talk to Brian Miller, who had promised to get back to us on whether or not we could enter, they had the police ask us to leave.

So now the Pima County GOP apparently considers its members intruders and trespassers.

It sounds a lot like the way Washington Democrats have treated us.

An open letter to the Pima and Arizona GOP from Tom Gilfeather ( https://www.facebook.com/groups/215684591806716?ap=1 ):

I am a registered Republican in Pima county who attempted to attend the special meeting called for July 15 to vote on a change in the by-laws and to remove Brian Miller as Chairman of the Pima County GOP. Since I am not a Precinct Committeeman, I had no expectation that I would be able to speak or vote at that meeting. However, in the interests of transparency in the workings of my local party, I believe I should at least have been invited to observe the proceedings. My understanding was that registered Republicans would be able to attend and I took several hours out of my day to do so. I was concerned, because serious, if very tenuous, accusations were made against Brian Miller. He has the right to answer them and members of the party have a right to hear a detailed explanation of the accusations against him, as well as his defense, in the time-honored tradition of this Republic. Unfortunately Mr. Miller was afforded no such consideration and was removed as Chairman of the Executive Committee through a process that could only charitably be described as murky. Although I am a registered member of the Republican party I was not permitted to witness the process. As a result, I have absolutely NO confidence the Executive Committee properly followed its rules or that this was a fair or open process. I am appalled by the lack of respect for both Mr. Miller and the rank-and-file members of the GOP on the part of some members of Pima County’s Executive Committee. Equally appalling was the scene at the doors outside the meeting place at the Manning House. I watched as one Precinct Committeeman was initially refused entry because he was carrying notes and his own copy of the by-laws. They obviously realized the absurdity of their position, as he was eventually admitted, but only after a humiliating search of his documents. Scores of us were kept standing outside in the heat, without even the courtesy of an explanation, while they slowly allowed PCs into the building and checked there names against a “list,” the provenance of which was a mystery to all of us standing outside. A friend of mine, who was recently appointed a Precinct Committeeman was told that his name was not on the list, despite his having applied for the position weeks ago. Was it because they were unsure of his vote? He told me that when he questioned the absence of his name on the list, Anne Stephenson, the wife of an Executive Committee member, who apparently selected herself as Committee bouncer, threatened to have him arrested. How insulting to have a door closed and locked in your face! Is this how you hope to recruit new members?
The final insult came when one of the proprietors of Manning House stepped outside and nervously, albeit apologetically, asked us to leave the property. None of us left outside had anything against her as we understood that private property must be respected. But before we even had a chance to start moving or talk to Brian Miller, who had promised to get back to us on whether or not we could enter, they had the police ask us to leave. So now the Pima County GOP apparently considers its members intruders and trespassers. It sounds a lot like the way Washington Democrats have treated us.

Ken, DLfromthedesert,

FYI - here is the original Arizona Daily Star article that Pajamas Media used that started the “Pima County GOP Establishment Backing Sherriff Dupnik over botched no-knock raid?” thread -

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/elections/article_c9c047ae-8387-58d9-b182-da90d09fc3ec.html?mode=story

There are a lot of interesting comments there.

It is up to every American who believes in the Constitution to question government, at all levels, when it begins to operate outside of it’s Constitutional limits.

This has not been done for far too long, IMHO, and now we and our children and grandchildren will reap the consequences.

I give you the national debt as one example of the horrible situation we are now in - http://www.usdebtclock.org/

The USA is now spending One Billion Dollars a month more than is collected in taxes (detailed by Rush’s guest host this morning). We are heading for an economic train wreak because We The People were not able to hold the politicians to their oaths to support and defend the Constitution.

If the Republican party had been doing its job the ‘Tea Party’ would NOT exist. Politics as usual has bankrupted us.

Related thread: Pima County GOP Establishment Backing Sherriff Dupnik over botched no-knock raid?

I'm still looking for the original email, but here is a link to the .pdf of the June 3rd, 2011 eTracks: http://www.pimagop.org/library/index.cfm?fuseaction=view&ID=152

LD-29 Chairman Jim Kelly and LD-28 Chairman Walt Stephenson brief the precinct committeemen of Legislative District 29 on a petition Mr. Stephenson circulated to call a Special Meeting in order to change the bylaws of the Pima County Republican Party Central Committee so that they may remove, “Any elected officer of the county Central Committee,” in the future.

They insist it has nothing to do with the removal of Chairman Miller and that to remove him it would take a second meeting.

The Call notice included the Chairmans removal.

FOR THE FULL STORY… Don’t Let the Rogue Pima County GOP Executive Committee Shut You Out!

On May 30, in the wake of the violent SWAT raid which claimed the young life of Jose Guerena in front of his family, newly elected Pima County GOP Chairman, Brian Miller, publicly asked for renewed discussions of both SWAT policy and the civil liberties codified in our Bill of Rights.

In an effort to placate the local police unions, the local big government Republican power structure has launched an aggressive smear campaign to muzzle Brian Miller.

In the month after Chairman Miller had the audacity to advocate the very conservative principle of citizen oversight of government, the Pima County Republican Party Executive Committee has devolved into a mob mentality. They've now taken his keys to the building, actually changed the locks on the doors and have set a special meeting to fabricate new rules to kick him out of office!

The Establishment wing of the Pima County Republican Executive Committee is now censoring the official facebook page, and not allowing anyone but admins to post on the wall. They are removing registered Republicans in Pima County from the group. They are also "cleaning up the page" by deleting past comments that documented abuses by the Executive Committee (such as hindering fund raising so that Chairman Miller might be blamed and other fraudulent, fabricated allegations publicly issued against Chairman Miller).

When confronted about this, we received the following response... "This is our page, and we can do what we want with it!" The fact of the matter is that this is the People's page. As Americans we have a right to speak at any venue where the Republican party is, and Facebook is no different.

Fox News has now picked up on the Pima GOP placing limitations on free speech - http://www.fox11az.com/news/GOP-Facebook-drama-125034644.html

If you are in Pima County we need you now! Please join with us in this fight against tyranny.

http://pimalibertypledge.com/

Do you have any links for these hydrolysis systems?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthbag_construction

I see that you are a Perry supporter ;-)

Your info was helpful, as one of the few things I know about Perry was his support for the *mandatory* STD vaccination of minor girls.

Just wait until the Department of Energy SWAT team starts ‘no knock’ searches for made in Texas light bulbs in other states...

Lichter also had the opportunity when he was discussing whether a real long form birth certificate existed for Obama to bring up some additional points. He asked Trump if he was going to take the issue beyond the birth certificate and bring up the question of natural born citizenship. Trump asked Lichter to explain to explain precisely what that was. Lichter proceeded recite the precise clause from Article II, Section I and explain what the founders meant by it; and where they got the concept from. He said that he liked the way he was explaining it and made another request of Lichter. He asked him to forward all relevant documentation on the above topics. The topic of Obama’s social security number came up. Lichter explained that Obama’s social security number belonged to someone from Connecticut born in 1890. Trump acknowledged that they were aware of this.

Very Interesting, I wonder if this is credible?

two uniforms?? No other details in the source.