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Posts by volunbeer

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  • First In, Last Out - The story of the Wild Weasel.

    09/21/2014 8:18:06 AM PDT · 15 of 22
    volunbeer to F105Girl

    That would make a really cool movie! Don’t give up. These men deserve to have their stories told.

  • First In, Last Out - The story of the Wild Weasel.

    09/20/2014 8:49:32 PM PDT · 5 of 22
    volunbeer to Squantos

    Weasel pilots are crazy brave.

  • Advanced Concrete Means Little Maintenance For A Century

    04/26/2014 10:38:06 AM PDT · 32 of 59
    volunbeer to fhayek

    Studded snow tires kill the roads here in the Northwest - I had a BMW when I moved out here and I could go hands free down the interstate for miles the grooves were so deep. When we get hard rains (rare) the hydroplane action is ridiculous.

    With the improvements in siped softer rubber winter tires I am dumbfounded that they still allow the studded tires considering the damage to the roads.

  • Grounding A-10s will save $4.2 billion, decision ‘clear’: USAF general

    04/23/2014 6:39:55 PM PDT · 9 of 56
    volunbeer to JRandomFreeper

    The Army/Marines should take the A-10 until the drone version is flying. There is no bird in the inventory that can do close air support like the hog.

  • WaPo's Rubin: Wanted: Jeb Bush or another grown-up

    04/23/2014 5:56:13 PM PDT · 34 of 35
    volunbeer to Iron Munro

    The Obama Media is always willing to drop more important work to help republicans pick their candidates.


    This is to be expected.

    However, the thing that continually blows me away is the fact that so many presstitutes talk with gravitas about the need for foreign policy experience. Obama? Seriously?

  • Overland Park Rampage Killer Ranted to Rabbi About 'You Jews' (FBI knew weeks earlier?)

    04/20/2014 10:24:18 AM PDT · 11 of 27
    volunbeer to DPMD

    So this guy was advertising his potential for extreme violence. And the FBI knew of it?

    They’re too stupid to recognize those about to commit violence even when they scream their intentions to the heavens above.


    We need to be extremely careful. First, we still have a 1st Amendment in this country and people have a right to say inflammatory things. I read it every day on here and I imagine you can read stuff like that on DU. You can’t have it both ways and hindsight is always 20/20.

    Regardless of what they knew or didn’t know, and it’s certainly unclear, we should be careful about demanding action. People often say inflammatory things, but people rarely act on them. Do we want the FBI monitoring every comments section for news stories and acting immediately upon them? I don’t. That seems to be the insinuation by some in response to this story.

    A slippery slope and we have all seen how each opposing administration can influence what is inflammatory and what is not. This man was full of hate, but there are many on every side of every issue that are full of hate. While often ignorant, it is not often a crime or an accurate predictor of a criminal act.

  • Behind the cornucopia of higher food prices

    04/20/2014 10:08:01 AM PDT · 8 of 42
    volunbeer to 2ndDivisionVet

    I have not seen prices come down in many years. Everything is more expensive in the grocery store and many packages contain less product for higher prices. The prices of fresh vegetables at the grocery store floor me. We have a very large garden and using grocery store prices one of our garden rows produce hundreds of dollars of peppers or tomatoes.

    California and the West in general need to take some lessons from Israel who have created a vibrant agricultural industry with far less water than the U.S. Israel also manages to do this without illegal immigration.

    As the government continues to borrow money, print money, and impose stricter environmental regulation/taxes on the agricultural industry (and diesel prices) the price of food will continue to rise.

  • 10 Surprising History Facts That Will Warp Your Sense of Time

    04/20/2014 9:04:01 AM PDT · 31 of 96
    volunbeer to Balding_Eagle

    10 pages to get all 10.

    It’s a trap, everyone.


    These headlines always seem interesting, but I don’t bother anymore. There are so many ads and pop-ups tied to each page it causes my computer to run like crap. It’s not about the story - it’s all about the ad revenue generated. I feel used each time I patiently click through the slideshow.

  • Cops: 5 dead, 13 others injured in shootings

    04/20/2014 9:00:45 AM PDT · 16 of 19
    volunbeer to Oldeconomybuyer

    The pent up rage of sociopathic children from failed homes and a corrupt culture combined with the tribalism of gang warfare meets warmer weather = predictable behavior.

    Those who created this horrific experiment will be along shortly to tell the rest of us we don’t pay enough to prevent it. Also predictable.

    Sad, isn’t it?

  • Pipeline delay gives boost to Obama's political base

    04/20/2014 8:51:12 AM PDT · 9 of 29
    volunbeer to MUDDOG

    The majority of environmentalists rarely think beyond the immediate emotion of the issue in front of them. They begin with a premise - oil is bad or coal is bad - and they cannot think beyond that.

    This lack of depth has given us “solutions” that are worse than the problem. I truly believe they would block any new form of clean energy based on oil or coal just as they have blocked anything that says nuclear for decades. It’s emotion, not reason, that guides them. Combined with the new green energy crony capitalism it is difficult to overcome.

    There is big money betting against it. There is big money betting for it. Reason says to build it - emotion says to kill it. The delays already reveal how corrupted we have become to crony-environmentalism. Our nation has a fever, but it’s not the one Al Gore talked about.

  • Indicted Businessman Names Harry Reid as Alleged Recipient of Massive Bribe

    04/17/2014 8:09:40 PM PDT · 22 of 109
    volunbeer to B4Ranch

    While I hope you are right, I won’t hold my breath. The stuff that Congress gets away with is incomprehensible. Ethics laws apply to every profession in America except politician.

    How else can we explain the massive lobby industry and the phenomenal growth of wealth by congress critters?

    Show me your leaders and I will show you the future. Ours is not too bright right now.

  • Al Gore on Climate Change: 'We Are Going to Win This Thing'

    04/17/2014 7:53:27 PM PDT · 17 of 34
    volunbeer to Paladin2

    His chakra is happy!

  • Al Gore on Climate Change: 'We Are Going to Win This Thing'

    04/17/2014 7:30:06 PM PDT · 8 of 34
    volunbeer to Lucky9teen

    Yep. Gore won’t admit that he has lost the public argument even as they won the debate in Hollywood and in the mainstream news.

    People don’t see the picture Gore has painted with their own eyes. They are also waking up to the fact that the usual solution is to pay more to government and/or pay more for the same products benefitting crooks that pay the politicians.

    I still can’t believe how close he came to being President.

  • Man said to be homesick for prison gets 3˝ years (Chicago)

    04/17/2014 7:16:28 PM PDT · 13 of 14
    volunbeer to Holly_P

    For real? That’s a real occupation?


    x2 Seriously? Is that even listed in the yellowpages?

    I know of a guy who did this in the South many years ago. He was living in a bus. He robbed a bank using a note and had called his probation officer and admitted to doing it. He had all his stuff packed up, apologized for the hassle, and said he wanted to go back to jail and he hoped he had not scared the nice lady.

    Some people quickly become institutionalized and lose the skills (probably lacking to start with) to function on their own. Perhaps the structure of jail outweighs the insecurities and unpleasantness. They don’t really fear jail beyond their outside addictions. Sad.

  • Sheriff: Feds strategize for 'raid' on ranch [Sheriff Mack]

    04/15/2014 12:40:43 AM PDT · 428 of 499
    volunbeer to greeneyes

    Thanks for the post @414. I will not call you names and you made many good points.

    I would point out that the current situation with Bundy and his cattle only came about after a lengthy court process where he did not prevail. While the timing is a bit suspect to me with Reid and his sons business dancing around in the back of my head, I am pretty sure the first order for him to remove the cattle was issued long ago. Despite these facts, his range use continued and he never entered into a contract to use the property.

    What was left for BLM to do? How many times should he be told to remove the cattle from land that was not his? The next step is to remove the cattle. Given the past history and perceived threats (who knows - I was not there) they brought along a ridiculous amount of law enforcement to protect unarmed people trying to remove cows.

    The cost of this whole thing is ridiculous, but then again, when has government ever done anything cheaply? Bundy created a situation that caused the government to squander millions of borrowed dollars and now it’s for naught. How much did he save himself by not paying for graze like others do? This may cost us more than the White House vacation program before it’s over.

    FRegards

  • Sheriff: Feds strategize for 'raid' on ranch [Sheriff Mack]

    04/14/2014 11:43:24 PM PDT · 421 of 499
    volunbeer to dragnet2

    Now I understand why you’ve had your bell rung so hard here...

    You ought to be checking into biggov.com where you’ll be among like minded people.


    Good luck and best wishes to you and yours - you have wished me away before because I did not agree with you. Like everything - we all have opinions. Clearly we do not agree about Mr. Bundy, but we each have the right to our own opinions. Banning me or anyone else who does not agree with you on everything does not change minds, educate, or make FR a more lively place. It just makes the echoes louder.

    Government by it’s very nature is force. It always will be. The application of force rarely reflects the perfect application of justice for either the government or citizen fighting government. Gunning down someone removing Bundy’s cattle from the range per the orders of a court that deliberated on his case would be no more righteous than blowing up the Federal building in Oklahoma City. McVeigh believed he was striking a blow for freedom, but I believe most of us would agree his actions changed nothing. I don’t believe anyone responsible for the incident that sparked him was even present. His actions did not convince others to begin a revolution against the government. In fact, I would even argue his actions promoted a backlash against some of the sentiment on this thread. Revolution is ugly business not to be taken lightly or expressed in a two line drive-by flame on a web forum. It is purchased in blood - lots of it if history is the guide.

    The government is oppressing some guy who did not pay his range fees and defied a court order does not sound like a rallying cry to me and I bet many others afraid to swim against the yelling around here feel the same way. Perhaps I am wrong, but I don’t think so.

    Representative government and the rule of law will always be an imperfect business and always has been - like many things both are a pendulum that can swing too far. The risk always exists that it will tip over because some level of equilibrium is necessary for it to function as designed.

    We appear to be headed towards that tipping point on a host of issues including land usage rights via the EPA and other government regulations/taxations that stifle freedom. We are headed that way with public debt. There is a much larger issue at play with Bundy. There are ramifications for him winning (some would celebrate) just as there were for the Black Panthers getting away with voter intimidation (some did not celebrate).

    Bundy’s story could just as easily be a municipality vs resident, county vs farmer, or state vs citizen. Government is the same animal in different sizes, but each level enforces the laws enacted by the elected representatives through legislation and interpretation by force if necessary. Our system of government demands an educated and moral populace that understands both the necessity and danger of government. An almost impossible task as our founders warned us. If conservatives can’t convince a majority we are right we won’t win. Talking about shooting BLM employees who are removing cattle from public land per a court order is not going to convince the majority your views are right about government.

    As others have said before being shouted down - Bundy is terribly flawed no matter how many millions show up to stand with him or cheer him - tens of millions will view him without sympathy. The majority won’t even know about him because they don’t care or pay attention.

    This is not the fight and I pray something really stupid does not happen on either side.

  • Sheriff: Feds strategize for 'raid' on ranch [Sheriff Mack]

    04/14/2014 10:12:51 PM PDT · 383 of 499
    volunbeer to Mariner

    We may arrive at a time where tax protests is the norm, but we are not there yet.

    As to why the public owns so much land out West - that’s the way it worked out and the consensus to change that has never existed. I doubt it will ever happen unfortunately. It could be an economic engine for the nation if much of the land was open to development, but truthfully most of the states out West would bow to the same environmentalists Uncle Sam does. I know mine would.

  • Sheriff: Feds strategize for 'raid' on ranch [Sheriff Mack]

    04/14/2014 10:09:23 PM PDT · 382 of 499
    volunbeer to Kit cat

    I agree that the state should be managing the lands. No arguments here, but what if he decided not to pay the state? I know he tried, but he knew they would not accept it.

    Like I said above - if he had taken the fees and given them to charity he would have been on higher ground with me. He didn’t do that.

  • Sheriff: Feds strategize for 'raid' on ranch [Sheriff Mack]

    04/14/2014 10:06:59 PM PDT · 380 of 499
    volunbeer to VerySadAmerican

    Here is the opportunity for the sheriffs in this country to stand up and protect their fellow citizens. If they don’t, where do the people turn?


    That will be great until another Bundy decides to shoot the Sheriff’s who show up to evict him from land he does not own. See how that works?

  • Sheriff: Feds strategize for 'raid' on ranch [Sheriff Mack]

    04/14/2014 10:04:24 PM PDT · 378 of 499
    volunbeer to MarMema

    Would you send a SWAT team next door then?


    Let’s see....

    If I went to court and had to wait 20 years for the cattle to be removed I would probably be ticked and nobody could accuse the courts or me (BLM in the case of Bundy) of being impatient and overly aggressive.

    The last time I checked the BLM employees and contractors have a right to be protected since they are not armed nor are they law enforcement. They are removing cows that are trespassing.

    Government enforces laws by force. I don’t like all the laws, but I have to obey them or there are consequences. That is the rule of law - the same one I would love to see applied to Harry Reid. I don’t see any constitutional violations in removing his cattle nor do I see any issues with meeting threats of force (read the history of this story) with force.

    The alternative is anarchy. The rule of law is wounded in our nation for many reasons, but it seems BLM was pretty patient in this instance despite all the emotion being transposed onto the story. We can either change the nation or it will break and everyone can choose sides, but I don’t see a consensus for when that will be. Some are still talking about solutions to our problems even if I am doubtful. Fact is, my property is still protected until the EPA continues for another decade like the last one.

    To answer your question, I would have no problem with a SWAT team if my neighbor threatened anyone removing his cows from my property. My neighbor would be responsible for that - not me.

  • Sheriff: Feds strategize for 'raid' on ranch [Sheriff Mack]

    04/14/2014 9:44:35 PM PDT · 356 of 499
    volunbeer to Mariner

    I agree with you and have stated it several times that I think the government needs to start turning over the wide open spaces. Trust me, I live in the middle of it here in Eastern Washington and Idaho.

    Like many things the government is involved in they don’t always get it right on property management, but this case is so established and clear to me that I am dumbfounded at what I am reading here.

    He did not pay. If he can’t make his ranch pay with what he legally owns or can lease he needs to find a different occupation. There will still be hamburgers. The law is established and his peers accept it.

    Where are the articles quoting other ranchers in Nevada who support what he was doing? Perhaps there are some I have not seen, but a man’s peers often understand him best of all. I don’t see that and did not hear it and he was quite the topic of discussion at church on Sunday among the cattlemen.

    We should not be so anxious to choose battle when the other side has such an advantageous position. That is a recipe for defeat.

  • Sheriff: Feds strategize for 'raid' on ranch [Sheriff Mack]

    04/14/2014 9:33:59 PM PDT · 348 of 499
    volunbeer to Mariner

    Bundy is the face of this - like it or not. It’s his argument that is being used for a rallying cry and it’s terribly flawed.

    My view of the government is probably identical to yours. However, I own a good plot of acreage and I am sitting the middle of it typing. If my neighbor just pushed his cows onto my property that would be wrong and illegal. I like that it is wrong and illegal. It protects my property and rights.

    Bundy let his cows graze on land that was not his. He paid for the rights then stopped paying. A nice profit there. He is not a victim - he is a thief. Showing that we will rally behind his cause is telling my neighbor he can push his cows on my grass for free - sorry, if you can’t see the problem.

    You and I probably agree that the land Bundy’s cows were grazing should belong to the state of Nevada because it would likely generate more economic activity benefitting us all. I don’t like the amount of landlord business our government is doing, but I do like laws that protect my property. If those laws are not enforced on public lands what would they care about my lands?

    I am not your enemy. If we can’t win the battle of public debate over government it will be each man or group of men for themselves. That is the reality we face, but let’s be realistic - right now the federal government, my state government, and county government to include the courts all protect my right to let my grass grow and die each year as I see fit. Bundy opposed that - albeit on public land, but the principle remains the same.

    His cows are not a constant - they are born - they graze and fatten up, and they are harvested. He can’t plant trees he is going to sell on my land either without my permission. That is the real argument here and I am disappointed more of us seem to miss the point. If Bundy can’t cut it in the cattle business he should fold. I can grow apples you won’t believe in my orchard here in the Northwest, but I could not do the same thing living in Florida. Range cattle in scrub brush like this is a tough business and the market dictates if they make a living or not.

    If Bundy’s family did not have enough land to support a ranch that’s not my fault, but it does not give him the right to graze his cattle on my land without compensation or my permission. Again, the BLM is NOT price gouging these guys and every roundup every year this man should have adjusted his herd to what he could legally support. That is ranching.

  • Sheriff: Feds strategize for 'raid' on ranch [Sheriff Mack]

    04/14/2014 9:18:50 PM PDT · 341 of 499
    volunbeer to dragnet2

    Why did your government at all levels aid and abet this massive epic lawlessness?


    What? They did not aid and abet this. As I have stated several times above he chose not to pay, after he paid BLM, and after he tried to pay the state because he did not like BLM. He had his day in court (several according to some stories) and lost. His own peers (other ranchers) pay the grazing rights and make a living doing it - he chose not to. He is a squatter who is violating the law to profit himself.

    If Bundy had taken the grazing rights and paid it to a charity of his own choosing I would have much more respect for him, but he did not do that. He paid his own bills with grass he did not own.

    I have already answered your question about illegals above so no need to say it again. Like much of our government - it’s abuse of the many to profit the few. We can change that in public opinion or we can each choose our own hill to die on - Bundy won’t be mine because the vast majority of his own peers understand the theft he committed. Most of his peers own land and water rights and they don’t want somebody else to come along and squat on that like Bundy did. I will accept cows on my pasture eating my grass as long as it’s on my terms and I am compensated. If not, the Sheriff would come remove them. The Sheriff has no jurisdiction on the lands Bundy squatted on - that is BLM and the court ordered them to remove the cows.

    If you don’t believe me talk to someone who raises cows for a living. We can’t violate property rights because the government owned the land instead of a citizen - that opens a whole can of worms most are not considering. BLM is not price gouging these guys.

    What if we find out one of Bundy’s neighbors threw in the towel because he was willing to pay for grazing rights but didn’t want to get in the middle of this mess? All this talk about the government putting all those ranchers out of business has not been sourced. There are plenty of ranchers where I live who make a decent living at it. There are also plenty of his former peers who profited from the real estate bubble and sold land that was worth far more than the beef it generated.

  • Sheriff: Feds strategize for 'raid' on ranch [Sheriff Mack]

    04/14/2014 9:02:26 PM PDT · 335 of 499
    volunbeer to Mariner

    It has NOTHING to do with this man. This incident is but convenient.


    History is clear. Those we honor as Saints and heroes were admirable figures - not squatters who did not follow property rights. I get it. I don’t like the fact that the government owns the property to begin with, but that’s the way it is - the public owns it.

    There are lots of people around here chomping at the bit to take up pitchforks, but if you can’t find a better Saint than Bundy in the craptastic world in which we live most won’t hold onto their pitchfork for long. Your cause will be lost before it even begins because the average Joe understands squatting without paying the owner. They won’t buy it no matter how many threads are posted on FR as some kind of battle cry.

    Defending this man is a recipe for marginalization and defeat because he was wrong and he had his day in court (several according to some). He paid - then he chose not to. He destroyed his own argument and claim. Grazing rights on BLM land is a common practice that his peers accept and follow. Every major movement has a face or central theme people can rally around - this one is a squatter who eroded his own arguments through his behavior.

  • Sheriff: Feds strategize for 'raid' on ranch [Sheriff Mack]

    04/14/2014 8:42:45 PM PDT · 324 of 499
    volunbeer to rolling_stone

    We are on the edge of anarchy FRiend. I feel the same about it, but of all the fights we could pick why this man?

    I know several ranchers and they are honorable hard-working Americans who make an honest living putting beef on our tables. They don’t support Bundy and actually resent him for not paying what they pay.

    In principle - how can we be angry with the orchardists who employs illegal aliens to increase his profits and not be angry with Bundy who chose not to pay grazing rights even as he profited from the graze?

    I fear for our future because I can’t refute that the rule of law is bleeding from illegal immigration, public corruption, voter fraud, and a whole host of other issues. However, Mr. Bundy is not one of those issues for me.

  • Sheriff: Feds strategize for 'raid' on ranch [Sheriff Mack]

    04/14/2014 8:35:45 PM PDT · 313 of 499
    volunbeer to dragnet2

    Do you think 25,000,000 illegals, who’ve created a massive industry of fraud, have not compromised and undermined our electoral process?


    Absolutely. But guess what? The GOP is just as much to blame because corporate agriculture all the way down to the small orchardists/farmers have lined their damn pockets so they do nothing. If we can’t root out the graft in the party that claims to support our views how are we going to fix the other bastards?

  • Sheriff: Feds strategize for 'raid' on ranch [Sheriff Mack]

    04/14/2014 8:33:37 PM PDT · 307 of 499
    volunbeer to Iscool

    We will win back our nation by voting them into the minority and out of office.

    ‘They’ are the ones who count the votes...So what’s the next step???


    Become poll watchers - elect people who make voter fraud a priority thoroughly investigated and prosecuted in every state.

    The alternative is anarchy or to simply admit defeat. It starts with taking back the GOP and we are struggling to even do that!

  • Sheriff: Feds strategize for 'raid' on ranch [Sheriff Mack]

    04/14/2014 8:27:05 PM PDT · 298 of 499
    volunbeer to flamberge

    Very thoughtful post and I agree with your sentiments. I have often said I think our country is beyond the point of no return.

    However, I won’t make my stand on Bundy. My neighbor and hundreds/thousands of other ranchers make an honest living paying for grazing rights on land they do not own. Bundy did not. He is not heroic.

    Most of our government is out of control, but grazing rights is a settled process. Ranchers can still make a living (especially with current beef prices) paying for grazing rights. Bundy paid just like everyone else before he decided not to. His right to protest and choose his fight, but it’s not mine. He profited - we didn’t. He has to accept the consequences as do those who stand with him.

    The rule of law is dying FRiend and that makes me worry for the future of my children, but it’s our job to fight for it with the reason of our founding fathers. If the majority of our nation does not comprehend their wisdom (and they don’t) we will follow the historical pattern and either dissolve or wear chains.

  • Sheriff: Feds strategize for 'raid' on ranch [Sheriff Mack]

    04/14/2014 8:16:24 PM PDT · 286 of 499
    volunbeer to editor-surveyor

    The Guadalupe Hildago treaty is on Bundy’s side.

    Even if Bundy had no claim to the land, there is absolutely no possibility that the feds do. Any land in private possession at the time the treaty was signed can never be government land.


    The legal assignment of lands in the West was full or errors and there are many excellent arguments to be made on either side. However, as I posted above, going back that far in time means we should redraw the borders of Mexifornia and prepare to see the American Indians become super-wealthy.

    The claim Bundy’s family made to lands did not survive. Bundy can blame his relatives or mine, but he does not own the land and all the old treaties are pointless today. He conceded the point when he paid BLM and I understand his families claims were pressed in court. Land claims in the West were beyond crazy, but our relatives settled it.

    Fact - Bundy paid grazing fees to BLM and stopped. Fact - Bundy tried to pay an entity that did not own the land in protest showing that he understood he needed to pay - they could not accept it. Fact - Bundy stopped making any payments for grazing rights he still exercised. He profited and BLM lost the chance to sell those rights to another person willing to pay.

    I don’t like the direction our country has taken and I firmly believe that 3/4 (or more) of the federal government is unconstitutional, but our parents voted for this crap and it’s up to us to change it. If we can’t educate a majority of our fellow citizens it won’t matter.

  • Sheriff: Feds strategize for 'raid' on ranch [Sheriff Mack]

    04/14/2014 8:02:20 PM PDT · 263 of 499
    volunbeer to taterjay

    The EPA is getting ready to say all and I mean all water (such as off a roof and in a dog dish) in these United States is the Federal Governments. Now it hits home for all of us.


    That is a fight I would pick and I join you.

  • Sheriff: Feds strategize for 'raid' on ranch [Sheriff Mack]

    04/14/2014 7:58:51 PM PDT · 258 of 499
    volunbeer to ohioman

    Bundy offered to pay the state. You need to read up on this.


    The state cannot accept money for lands it does not own. If it were up to me the public lands managed out of D.C. would be turned over to the states that contain those lands, but that is not what people vote for.

  • Sheriff: Feds strategize for 'raid' on ranch [Sheriff Mack]

    04/14/2014 7:56:07 PM PDT · 253 of 499
    volunbeer to Billthedrill

    Not applicable at all because we have representation.

    With respect, that representation is Harry Reid.


    Fair point, but we need to change that at the ballot box. I can’t stand the man and I despise his corruption and politics, but I can’t go gun him down and neither can you. That would turn us into a banana republic (even though we resemble one more each day). We won’t win back our nation by getting rid of the leaders of the left (as much as I want to say it would be a good start). We will win back our nation by voting them into the minority and out of office. If we can’t do that, the nation as we recognize it is lost.

    Again, I understand the sentiments and lack of trust, but the facts seem quite clear for this specific case - it’s property rights. If the government cannot control public lands, what chance do I have of controlling my pasture? I could get a monthly check just for allowing another neighbor to cut the hay off it, but I chose to let my neighbor graze his cattle on it in return for compensation (he sprays for weeds and I get beef). That is the law.

    I don’t like imminent domain laws. I think it’s a recipe for anarchy even if they say it’s for the good of the public. Why do so many want to allow Bundy to do the same thing to profit only himself? Based on his own shaky arguments about his family owning the land long ago the American Indians would be wealthy beyond belief!

  • Sheriff: Feds strategize for 'raid' on ranch [Sheriff Mack]

    04/14/2014 7:45:56 PM PDT · 236 of 499
    volunbeer to greeneyes

    Bundy’s case has been adjudicated and there was a court order to remove his cattle because he has NO LEGAL RIGHT to put them there.

    My neighbor runs lots of cows - thousands. He can’t push his cows onto my land without my permission. I can be compensated for his cows grazing my pasture. He chooses to do this because it’s good business. He gets cheap feed to fatten his cows and I make a little bit for owning the land and it improves my pasture. He even treats my land for weeds as part of the deal.

    How many ranchers do you know? I know a few. All of them don’t like the federal government - however, none of them think Bundy is a hero. Why is that? The people who do what he does for a living seem awfully silent. 1010RD is right - we can pick a hundred better battles than this guy.

    I don’t like the government. You don’t like the government. However, this is not the hill for us to die on. This is about a man who knowingly profited from land that was not his while others honored their contractual agreement for grazing rights to the government, timber companies, or even private individuals like me.

    We won’t starve without Bundy’s cows. All he had to do was pay the grazing rights - it’s not much and he could still have made a profit just like my neighbor.

  • Sheriff: Feds strategize for 'raid' on ranch [Sheriff Mack]

    04/14/2014 7:28:10 PM PDT · 209 of 499
    volunbeer to piroque

    If we the people all took your stand ,we’d all be kneeling to king george.


    Not applicable at all because we have representation. Do you think the majority of Americans will vote to allow a rancher to push cows onto public land without paying for the right? Bundy fattens the cows without paying for the graze for his own profit.

    If there was another rancher willing to pay the grazing rights and follow the law - why should he not have the opportunity because Bundy decided he did not want to pay? The other guy would pay the market value - Bundy did not.

  • Sheriff: Feds strategize for 'raid' on ranch [Sheriff Mack]

    04/14/2014 7:18:26 PM PDT · 193 of 499
    volunbeer to tacticalogic

    Bundy made an informed decision

    Is such a thing possible any more? They tell you only what they want you to know, and they can change it tomorrow if they feel like it.


    They can change it tomorrow - it’s public land owned by the government. They do it all the time, but lest we forget this is business. Bundy could round up his cattle and sell to other ranchers if he did not have the graze. There is no promise for grazing rights that you are guaranteed the rights forever. My neighbors - all God fearing conservatives - who run cattle understand this. They don’t grant long term contracts, but regardless - BLM grazing rights are a contract and the government would have to honor the contract, but it’s not permanent - never is.

    Cattle are not a long-term asset - they are born - they fatten up - they go to market. Even the breeding stock is not a long term asset. Smart ranchers adjust their stock numbers to match the available feed. Criminal ranchers allow their cattle onto land that does not belong to them.

    The process for grazing rights is extremely well established and it’s not hard to understand. In some places they even outbid one another for the rights - it’s business! This controversy does not affect Bundy’s home or his own land - it is land he pushed cows onto that he does not own in violation of the law. The other ranchers pay - he did not.

    Making him into a heroic figure mistreated by the government is a recipe for anarchy. Again, does my neighbor have the right to push his cows onto my land without my permission because he used to own it?

  • Sheriff: Feds strategize for 'raid' on ranch [Sheriff Mack]

    04/14/2014 7:02:30 PM PDT · 174 of 499
    volunbeer to Karl Spooner; 1010RD

    It’s Clark County. You say the government has driven 53 ranchers out of business? Really? Don’t you think some of those ranchers sold their family properties to cash out? Much easier than ranching and far more lucrative. It’s the way of the world - I know more than a few rich “former” farmers who sold the land. Cattle ranching is still profitable despite the growing amount of regulation on the business - the price of beef reflects this.

    My neighbor pays his grazing fees and also pays to use my pasture for his cows. That is business. He does not have a right to graze his cattle on my property because his father or grandfather did. He does not own the property anymore. Any claims he once held to the land should have been settled years ago in court by his father or grandfather. That is how it works out here no matter how flawed BLM may be.

    This story has taken on a narrative all it’s own and it’s become a wildfire of spin, but the one fact that is not in dispute is that Bundy made a decision not to pay for his grazing rights. If he really believed that reasoning he should have stopped paying taxes.

    While I sympathize with the larger sentiments, we should be very cautious because there are major ramifications for property rights. Using his logic, I should go to our our old family homestead (also federal land) and cut some firewood because my grandpa and his father did it? Let’s see where that gets me. I can’t because we don’t own the land anymore!

    Count me as the second kook on the thread. Maybe a bunch of you would come pick up guns to defend my neighbor if the County came to evict his cows after he refused to pay me for using it without my permission? Is there a difference? He used to own this land - probably a better claim that Bundy’s father or grandfather.

    FWIW though - I really hope Reid had something to do with this because of Rory. I am tired of the blatant corruption from Reid. Politicians have no right benefitting directly or indirectly from permissions granted for public land.

    I don’t always agree with how public lands are used or regulated, but it is public land that belongs to the nation and we can set the terms at the ballot box. Private land = mine. The same property rights apply to both in this situation.

    Reading some of the comments makes me shake my head. 1010RD is right - this is not the place to make a stand.

    Those of you who compare this to the real Boston Tea Party fail to understand - we have representation. Bundy made an informed decision and most of his supporters seem blind to the fact that thousands of Westerners have paid land use rights to the BLM without a problem. Why is Bundy worth our blood when he is the only one who did not follow the law?

    Reading some of the comments to this story make me shake my head.... should I just gun down the next officer who pulls me over for speeding because I don’t like his agency or the law? Is that the way to change the speed limit laws?

  • Sucking Carbon From Sky May Be Necessary to Cool Planet, UN Says

    04/14/2014 5:50:09 PM PDT · 49 of 83
    volunbeer to Oldeconomybuyer

    These people are crazy, and dangerous.


    Crazy like a fox. Imagine the potential to tax us all to accomplish such a task.... On top of that, the people the perpetuate the hoax are the ones who will benefit financially by offering “their green services.” The politicians will get plenty of kickback from their “green friends” and they can all feel good about it while we pay for it - forever.

    These idiots are the biggest danger to freedom. The ability to “tax” carbon is nothing more than the ability to tax anything and everything. FRegards.

  • Ted Cruz says he's optimistic about turning US around, offers plan for change

    04/13/2014 10:17:30 AM PDT · 13 of 20
    volunbeer to Eric in the Ozarks

    I believe the defining issue of our day is Democrat Party’s suborning of voter fraud.


    The defining issue of our day is the ignorance of our populace. Show me your leaders and I will show you the future.

    Few Americans understand the dangers of big government - ignorance.

    Few Americans understand that borrowing/printing money is taxation - ignorance.

    Few Americans understand how corrupt our economy and government are - ignorance.

    Few Americans understand the old adage - follow the money. Ignorance.

    Few Americans understand the “issues of our day” are less about freedom and more about excuses to increase government control - ignorance.

    Few Americans understand how the rule of law has been corrupted or the ramifications - ignorance.

    Too few understand how dire our situation really is. Freedom cannot survive the course we have embarked on. Freedom cannot survive the promises that have been made. Freedom cannot survive when a majority view the problem (government) as the solution (growth of government).

    Voter fraud is a symptom of the real problem.

  • America’s 18 Year Recession That Started in 1997 (It Didn’t End In June 2009)

    04/13/2014 9:45:20 AM PDT · 7 of 25
    volunbeer to JLS

    While I agree with your criticisms @ post 3 - there is one undeniable truth.

    As government grows - freedom dies. The pretty graphs of economists rarely show the relationship between big government and quality of life.

    When everything is taxed we all have less of everything. Government spending is pretty constant and government rarely reduces spending when revenues drop. Each bubble that puts more money into the government coffers during the booms increases taxation during the busts.

    Until a majority of Americans understand government borrowing and/or Fed pumping is a tax we are doomed. We are even taxing future generations to spend today.

  • A-Z Index of U.S. Government Departments and Agencies

    04/13/2014 9:34:50 AM PDT · 3 of 30
    volunbeer to mdittmar

    Show me a nation’s leaders and I will show you it’s future.

    We are in deep doo-doo.

  • Sharpton was ‘eager to sell coke’ in the ’80s: pal [yet more skeletons in Al's closet]

    04/13/2014 9:28:23 AM PDT · 42 of 42
    volunbeer to MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

    The media created all of these liberal/leftist “frankensteins” because they were too lazy or corrupted to search out the truth.


    Good post. I would go a bit further - the MSM is completely invested in the progressive movement. The left gained power through improbable alliances and racial division is one of it’s main tactics. Sharpton and Jackson are useful power-brokers to shift public opinion. It’s not the followers that give them power - the bombs they throw dominate the public debate via the media and put the other side on the defensive. The left feeds off our programmed cultural guilt and they created it. They promote division even as they “celebrate diversity.”

  • 85% of Pension Funds to Fail in Three Decades

    04/12/2014 2:22:42 PM PDT · 17 of 20
    volunbeer to willywill

    Yes. The government will seize private pension funds soon. They will loot any actual savings and downgrade payments just as they do for Medicaid.

  • Death by solar farms: 71 species of birds killed, ‘entire food chains’ disrupted

    04/11/2014 2:43:46 PM PDT · 13 of 32
    volunbeer to I want the USA back

    The left is terribly confused - they are easily sold on ideas that sound great without considering the long-term consequences. The “leaders” pulling the strings are the ones who profit from the “green technology” that really turns out to be “not so green.”

    Environmentalism start-ups and green corporations are every bit as corrupt as they claimed Halliburton to be - maybe even more. At least Halliburton provided a genuine service according to contract vs these green energy fiascos that never pay for themselves with unintended consequences.

    Wind and solar farms are the new unicorns. If we invested all that money into hydro dams and new generation nuclear power we would be far better off!

  • HARRY REID'S SON REPRESENTING CHINESE SOLAR PANEL PLANT IN $5 BILLION NEVADA DEAL

    04/11/2014 2:32:09 PM PDT · 23 of 106
    volunbeer to nascarnation

    Let the gravy flow.

    This is why people spend many millions to win an election for a job that pays $200,000.


    Yep - disgusting! GOP does it too, but nobody does it as well as Reid. The rule of law is dead.

  • Shooting 800 Yards with Iron Sights, See Bullet Trail!

    04/08/2014 10:41:12 PM PDT · 20 of 38
    volunbeer to MHGinTN

    I have several and I have a 250m range on my property. While I respect iron sights, my objective this year is to drag out all my 91/30’s and find the one that is most accurate.

    I am going to have the bolt turned down professionally and mount some glass on it. The rest of them will be cleaned and go back into storage. I have a good amount of surplus ammo and will figure out which round it likes and stick with that.

    They are capable of great accuracy, but like every other rifle you must find the ammo that it likes.

  • Shooting 800 Yards with Iron Sights, See Bullet Trail!

    04/08/2014 10:15:39 PM PDT · 12 of 38
    volunbeer to MHGinTN

    That guy can flat out shoot and the Mosin remains the best investment money can buy right now IMHO.

  • DC Water adopts Norway’s Cambi system for making power and fine fertilizer from sewage

    04/05/2014 9:50:44 PM PDT · 11 of 17
    volunbeer to yldstrk

    It may be trendy, but if it makes economic sense it is a good move.

    If it doesn’t pay for itself in short order it is probably more crony envirocrapitalism typical of this administration.

    Interesting idea. Will see how this works.

  • Blood and Soil: Making the World Greener for National Socialism

    04/05/2014 10:08:41 AM PDT · 4 of 11
    volunbeer to Olympiad Fisherman

    A totalitarian state is built on control of private property. Rigid environmentalism is essential for the progressive state model because it allows government to control property and activities. It opens lots of activities up to taxation, fines, and new regulations. It is also necessary for progressives to control rural America.

    Environmentalism will take the issues of the city and apply them to rural areas that oppose them. Few see the risks. Most recognize the need for balance, but too few recognize their true goal - absolute control.

  • TWD – The Nagant soldiers on (TWD = The Walking Dead)

    03/31/2014 7:28:19 PM PDT · 14 of 17
    volunbeer to dynachrome

    For the money - nothing beats a Mosin.

  • Largest earthquake since 1980 strikes Yellowstone Park, at site of rapid uplift

    03/30/2014 11:58:58 AM PDT · 95 of 157
    volunbeer to PapaBear3625

    Seismic activity at the site of a super volcano is never a source of warm and fuzzy feelings.


    Like others have said on the thread - smaller earthquakes can be good in fault zones because they release pressure without catastrophic results. On the other hand, Yellowstone is an atypical geological region with both tectonics and a volcano without peer. As such, earthquakes there remind us of what could happen considering the incalculable amount of energy that is present.

    Only God knows. Most are fascinated with such predicted events because we are powerless to stop it and recognize how it would change our lives. A place like Yellowstone reminds us how small and insignificant we are.