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To: Conservative Texan Mom

"Now, here's what I'm wondering. Scientist do not assume anything. They look for natural explanations. Is looking for a 'natural' explanation a sort of assumption?"

What is the meaning of natural vs. supernatural? I suspect if you answer this you will find that it becomes obvious why scientists seek "natural" explanations.


680 posted on 03/31/2006 10:59:17 PM PST by Avenger
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To: Avenger

I don't really like the word supernatural. It seems that it impies magic. Everyone starts thinking poofism (which is a funny word!)

su·per·nat·u·ral
adj.
Of or relating to existence outside the natural world.
Attributed to a power that seems to violate or go beyond natural forces.
Of or relating to a deity.
Of or relating to the immediate exercise of divine power; miraculous.


mag·ic
n.
The art that purports to control or forecast natural events, effects, or forces by invoking the supernatural.

The practice of using charms, spells, or rituals to attempt to produce supernatural effects or control events in nature.
The charms, spells, and rituals so used.
The exercise of sleight of hand or conjuring for entertainment.
A mysterious quality of enchantment: “For me the names of those men breathed the magic of the past” (Max Beerbohm).

adj.
Of, relating to, or invoking the supernatural: “stubborn unlaid ghost/That breaks his magic chains at curfew time” (John Milton).
Possessing distinctive qualities that produce unaccountable or baffling effects.


Of or relating to the miraculous.

I am wondering though if natural has become too narrow, although I have no idea how you could expand it. In this silly scenario of mine, it wouldn't have to be supernature, as it could have been a person who did it, just other intelligence. I can see how this is a delima for scientist though. Hmm

Please don't associate me with ID and it's connotations because I wrote intelligence. I've had a lot of that.


682 posted on 04/01/2006 12:00:04 AM PST by Conservative Texan Mom (Some people say I'm stubborn, when it's usually that I'm right!)
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To: Avenger
Nature

Present in or produced by nature: a natural pearl.
Of, relating to, or concerning nature: a natural environment.
Conforming to the usual or ordinary course of nature: a natural death.


Do you ever wonder if the definitions contribute to the problem. One gives the feeling of superstition and magic, the other, a straight jacket. It would seem like there's a whole lot of middle ground to cover.

My thinking is why would intelligence have to be supernatural. I think there is a concern that science would be supporting religion, and I don't necessarily think that. Something smart could be anything. Science hasn't speculated one way or another. As far as faith goes, people will choose to believe what they wish to. They are doing it anyway. Science hasn't supported anything, just put forth the evidence. Science has to be objective, but if there is evidence that indicates that there is something smart, science should be able to say so, as much as not say so.

I really don't like the definition for supernatural. I think I'll call it othernatural.
683 posted on 04/01/2006 12:29:18 AM PST by Conservative Texan Mom (Some people say I'm stubborn, when it's usually that I'm right!)
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