Posted on 03/21/2009 6:26:13 AM PDT by cowboyway
Be sure to let us know what He says.
“Lord, give me wisdom to stop posting to this brainwashed federalist boot licker who cannot seem to grasp reality, who never seems to work or have a life, can’t understand the root cause of the Civil War,the effects of which destroyed the Republic and that a strong centralized government that resulted is bad, left or right, and the the Republic needs to restored if we are to make it and be free.”
Worth repeating.
Hopefully, He will probably tell me that the bottom of a federist boot is not a tasty thing. I'll never be in a position to find out. Plus the thought of waiting inline behind about a g-zillion Yankees is not appealling. Good day to you, sir.
“Noble” in that slavery was a right back then. As it was also a right to own property or a business. You can not look at those standards through today's eyes. In those rights lay purpose to a states individual right to proclaim what was presented as law. Not to have the Federal Government, as they do now, butt in and over rule the states. That is why the south fought, it wasn't just one subject. It was the right of each state to chose the way they governed their people.
“I'm not so sure that they were held in the esteem you seem to think their white confederate counterparts held them in. Based on what I've read.”
I am not at all surprised you too like to assume what goes on in my brain. You haven't the slightest idea, and I am well aware of how “whites” treated the “blacks.” I don't live in some fantasy wonderland. I have gotten my information pertaining to Black Confederates from my family bible, letters, and stories that have ran down from generations. What do you have as a source, the Internet? Wikipedia? You've admitted a liar amongst the bunch of unionist, as state in post 784, what makes you think that was the “only time that had happend?
Please look around, and notice many states are beginning to act on the 10th. Amendment as of TODAY!!! Why?
They really, really express outrage that Tennessee doesn't have an income tax. They'll tell us we're backward and stupid and that we'll never have adequate “government services” without an income tax. They see no inconsistency with this and the fact that they moved down here to escape the high taxes. Like I said, stuck on stupid.
Of course, none of us move up there unless we have to (job transfer, or something). Even blacks have not shown any great desire to move up there, despite supposed horrendous treatment down here.
I think one of the reasons the anti-Confederacy Yankee Republicans are so hostile is that they're politically dependent on the South and it frustrates them. Thanks to the very multicultural and socially “progressive” causes they championed, California, Illinois, New Jersey, and most other previously GOP-leaning non-Southern states are Democrat locks. The only GOP turf left outside the South is in the small population states like Nebraska and Wyoming, areas which remain GOP mainly because their location and rural nature have protected them from the “diversity” the anti-Confederacy Republicans champion. Those states don't have many votes, so it falls to the South to keep the leftist ‘Rats at bay. This is driving these so-called moderate Republicans crazy and they vent their frustrations (over a mess they helped create) by hating Dixie.
Very well put!
Abortion is protected by the Constitution today, or so the Supreme Court says. Yet I wouldn't put support for abortion rights at the top of my list of noble causes.
Not to have the Federal Government, as they do now, butt in and over rule the states.
That worked both ways. The Federal government stepped in and told Northern states that they could not grant the fugitive slaves legal protections, could not require judicial proceedings, could not grant them citizenship, could not offer them legal protections in any way. Yet I don't recall any Southerner jumping up and yelling for "State's Rights" in that case.
But back to your original complaint. Exactly how was the Federal government butting in and overruling the states? Lincoln had made it clear that he did not have the authority to interfere with slavery where it existed, and had no intention of doing so. What butting in was going on that justified rebellion?
That is why the south fought, it wasn't just one subject. It was the right of each state to chose the way they governed their people.
Please. Take away every reason for the rebellion you care to name and leave slavery, and the South still rebels. Take away slavery and leave every other reason you care to name and the South doesn't. It's as simple as that, and the writings of the period all support it.
I am not at all surprised you too like to assume what goes on in my brain.
I have no idea goes on there, if anything.
I don't live in some fantasy wonderland.
I'm not so sure of that.
What do you have as a source, the Internet? Wikipedia?
A wide variety of books on the subject.
You've admitted a liar amongst the bunch of unionist, as state in post 784, what makes you think that was the “only time that had happend?
Excuse me? Where did I admit to lying in 784 or anywhere else?
If it were not for slavery, there would have been no secession and no war.
Then you point must be that the Constitution is meaningless and we can simply ignore or walk away from it when ever we choose to. Obama would agree with you on that.
Constitution is meaningless when a duly elected legislature of any state deems it meaningless an void.
Well why don't you just throw in the kitchen sink while you're at it. I could pick many subjects that are inhuman and disrespectful; although, I have stayed on track with of this conversation. I am not picking things out of thin area to argue.
“That worked both ways. “
As a “whole”, the government picks on states, regardless of whether they are northern or southern states.
“Please. Take away every reason for the rebellion you care to name and leave slavery, and the South still rebels. Take away slavery and leave every other reason you care to name and the South doesn't. It's as simple as that, and the writings of the period all support it.”
Well then why are states now warning our current government of their right to the usage in referance to the 10th. admenment? You know it's funny about the writing you mention. I'd like you to ask your self, who published these writings, who were the sources of the information, and where did they originate from? Chances are you have some New York publisher rewriting history. If not, then I am sure you have miss read things to fit your view points, other than keeping an open mind while trying to inform yourself. ~As far as rewriting history is concerned, then why is it there are many versions of the bible? Is there not two sides to every story?
“I have no idea goes on there, if anything.”
Well I do know I haven't made personal attacks against you. I am more than capable of having a logical debate, however, you demonstrate the same childish demeanor as my 4 year old. ~Temper tantrums and personal attacks are what children do when things aren't going their way.
“A wide variety of books on the subject.”
As stated previously who published these books? I strongly suggest you find other information to invest your time in because this information you have is a twisted sort. How nieve must one be to believe everything they read?
“Excuse me? Where did I admit to lying in 784 or anywhere else?”
I suggest you reread your post and ponder that on your own.
I BELIEVE YOU
I have had similar talks with them. For some reason they believe that their word is gospel, they know more and that they have no idea that they are the ones who destroyed their own states by their voting.
So what do they do?
Move down here and carry on voting the way they have in their old state thus making their new southern state look like the dump of a place they left.
So after the 2010 ACORN Census moves ten additional seats into the DC suburbs and the leftists Democrats take control of Richmond, you won't be doing any bitching when the Virginia legislature says that the 2nd amendment does not apply in Virginia and the Federal courts have no right to force compliance with it.
Is that what you are saying? Really?
You have an ancestor to be proud of. I think it's likely that he was conscripted as the mistreatment inflicted by the Confederate authorities in North Georgia dwarfed anything received by the Union Army. I bet he had a big laugh out of getting that Southern Cross of Honor.
Where in North Georgia was your kinsman? I had a great great grandfather in Catoosa County who remained loyal to what he called "the best government in the world" and was too loud about it so he had to take to the hills to avoid hanging by the rebels. When The Union Army came in the winter of 63-64 he returned and assisted a Union scout to infiltrate Rebel lines at least once.
Sounds like you favor the politicians over the people. I would suggest a more healthy distrust of government. That was the problem too often in the Dixie of 1860-61-the people abdicated reasoned consideration and allowed their political "betters" to lead them into madness and ultimate defeat.
I do not agree with your opinion on who the arsonist was. But even if I had, the comparison between Davis's hanging of the suspected and Lincoln's mere imprisoning the suspected reflects badly on the morality of the Confederacy.
No, This would only be done to remove themselves from from the Union - secession. If DC or MD wants to go it alone they are free to do that. I not going to stop them. I am saying that the Constition is a ratified and revoked by duly elected state legislatures.
The point is a state(s) in a federal republic have a right to leave, in this world or any other world. At that point, the departing state can have a second amendment or not, it is their choice. Otherwise, what you have is an empire.
You've nailed the matter perfectly. Fans of the Confederacy too often are blind to the fact that sometimes the greatest threats to liberty come at local levels. I think that people concerned with the right to keep and bear arms should be especially cognizant of this. It his the 2nd Amendment and Union preserved by Lincoln that protects that right. On the other hand, the greatest gun grabbers and regulators in American history from Confederate governor Isham Harris to current city governments have been local and state.
The Constitution was ratified by the people in the 13 original states, and the 37 states that followed them were admitted. Neither their people or their legislature ratified anything. Abiding by the Constitution wasn't an option for them, it was the price of becoming a state.
It's called thinning the heard. We send you all our stupid ones and our old and crotchety ones so that you have to put up with them and not us. It's working, but now you're catching on to our secret.
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