The strange death of Hawaii’s Department of Health Director, Loretta Fuddy!

You Tube ^ | January 18, 2014 | PPSimmons

[iontheball]

Video

[Brown Deer]

No kidding! What’s with the childish games here?

[Fred Nerks]

A dark Cave. In the middle, a Caldron boiling. Thunder.
Enter the three Witches.
1 WITCH. Thrice the brinded cat hath mew’d.
2 WITCH. Thrice and once, the hedge-pig whin’d.
3 WITCH. Harpier cries:—’tis time! ’tis time!
1 WITCH. Round about the caldron go;
In the poison’d entrails throw.—
Toad, that under cold stone,
Days and nights has thirty-one;
Swelter’d venom sleeping got,
Boil thou first i’ the charmed pot!
ALL. Double, double toil and trouble;
Fire burn, and caldron bubble.
2 WITCH. Fillet of a fenny snake,
In the caldron boil and bake;
Eye of newt, and toe of frog,
Wool of bat, and tongue of dog,
Adder’s fork, and blind-worm’s sting,
Lizard’s leg, and owlet’s wing,—
For a charm of powerful trouble,
Like a hell-broth boil and bubble.
ALL. Double, double toil and trouble;
Fire burn, and caldron bubble.
3 WITCH. Scale of dragon; tooth of wolf;
Witches’ mummy; maw and gulf
Of the ravin’d salt-sea shark;
Root of hemlock digg’d i the dark;
Liver of blaspheming Jew;
Gall of goat, and slips of yew
Sliver’d in the moon’s eclipse;
Nose of Turk, and Tartar’s lips;
Finger of birth-strangled babe
Ditch-deliver’d by a drab,—
Make the gruel thick and slab:
Add thereto a tiger’s chaudron,
For the ingrediants of our caldron.
ALL. Double, double toil and trouble;
Fire burn, and caldron bubble.
2 WITCH. Cool it with a baboon’s blood,
Then the charm is firm and good.

[Ray76]

>> It’s a custom that stems from the middle east to retain the name of the father, no matter how many times a woman marries, even after a number of divorces, she returns to the name of her father, which I think is the result of TRIBALISM - the name of the father denotes their ORIGIN.

Last year I put this together regarding Arabic/Islamic names. It might be useful here as well.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3011825/posts?page=283#283

[Ray76]

I would have posted it sooner but it took a while to find it again.

[Fred Nerks]

You certainly put a lot of effort into that, but to keep it simple, what I meant to convey was that it’s a custom to return to the name of the father because she’s ‘the daughter of’ and even the Maronites seem to follow that custom. I could quote cases of middle eastern women whose families have been in the West for a number of generations, and each time they have become a widow or divorced, she returns to what we call her maiden name. They are not muslim but all are arabs.

It’s a custom that has obsolutely nothing to do with SUBUD, which is what we were discussing; in which case someone in the cult has the authority to change the CHRISTIAN name of a new member. I’m guessing that has some connection to the fact that the founder was a sufi-muslim, and any CHRISTIAN name would be seen to be offensive to islam AND Subud. Deliana? Roger? Neither of them have biblical roots, and would be acceptable to SUBUD.

So there’s a difference between a middle eastern woman changing her ‘surname’ back to being the daughter of...and a Western girl changing her Christian and surname when she marries a muslim...and SUBUD taking away the CHRISTIAN name (first name) of a new follower. I won’t use the word convert, as the cult is not a religion.

I’ve saved the information from your research for future reference, although arab muslim names leave me quite perplexed.

[Ray76]

Thanks. Hard to believe it’s been a year. You’re right about inapplicability to Subud though.

Arab/muslim names can be overly complex and they add or drop elements all the time, which can make identifying an individual and distinguishing their timeline from another “similarly” named person difficult.

[22cal]

Probably. Duh... I honestly did not think of Madsen as a Wikipedia source. He was quoted on at least one site I scanned last night about Systematics.That computer program name rang a bell as connected to Clinton/Arkansas. I have been a member of the CAS (Clinton Administration Scandals) email list for decades.

[hoosiermama]

Thanks ray It does look useful. Why don’t you print it here along with the link we used to repeat works and this look like it took some time beside being useful

[Fred Nerks]

There’s no way anyone could remember everything one has read on the subject or where it might have appeared, but I do have a vague recollection of the name Systematics appearing in connection with Cecil Goeldner, the husband of the half-sister of Stanley Armour Dunham. Cecil installed a computer program for a bank in Saudi Arabia

here it is on his obituary:

http://www.derbyinformer.com/obituaries/article_4d31e798-ac57-51f3-9a09-afe8dc7bdfd0.html

You’ll find more on Cecil and Virginia a few pages back on this thread.

[Fantasywriter]

“Greenperson to Fantasywriter

I meant to write that a dissertation doesn’t EXIST only on computer disks.

I found the answer. Apparently it’s on microfilm, if we believe it: http://books.google.com/books/about/Peasant_Blacksmithing_in_Indonesia.html?id=LxXcAAAAMAAJ

Stanley Ann Dunham, 1992.”

Why would we doubt it? Why would the university, in ‘92, fake giving Ann a Ph.D? Do you have any evidence that they committed major, glaring academic fraud by claiming to award her a Ph.D she didn’t earn? The UoH is very proud of SADO. They’ve posted numerous accolades to her, and every one mentions her Ph.D. In order to earn it, she had to write & defend a thesis/dissertation. She did so. Whether it was any good or not, who knows? She got the Ph.D. That is the bottom line.

Btw, Mercer Island HS is fundraising off the fact that SADO graduated there. Here’s the link:

http://stanleydunhamfund.com/

[Fantasywriter]

Why would I want to undercut the amount of research that went into the building and maintaining of Beckwith’s ObamaFiles? The research required to compile a site like his is staggering. Most ppl cdn’t do it. He is probably one of the three or four best Obama researchers on earth. So he archived the results of his Herculean efforts. He’d have had nothing to archive sans the underlying research.

I have no motivation to diminish the work/research Beckwith has done. I don’t understand why anyone else wd either.

[Fantasywriter]

‘With all of the beautiful jewelry and brick-bracks that came from that area could materials also include precious metals ?’

hm, someone wd probably have to read SADO’s thesis to fully grasp what she defined as blacksmithing. At well over a hundred pp, I’m not game. I bet it’s one of the most boring, wordy, tendentious dissertation out there. If I come across anything that pertains to your question, I’ll be sure to post it. Other than that, I wd not know the answer.

[butterdezillion]

Check your mail.

[hoosiermama]

Typed in “gold” in the little box and hit the jack pot! ;-)

...1-3 of 25 hits
From inside the book

Results 1-3 of 25
Page 593
Not only iron, but gold, silver, copper and coal were dug out of these mountains.
Traditional history maintains that the first king of Minangkabau was a Javanese
aristocrat known as Adityavarman. In the fourteenth century Adityavarman moved
...
Page 990
a reddish-gold copper alloy, often used as a cover for keris sheaths lamus/kamus
= (n.) goat hide bellows, used principally along north coast of Java for copper,
brass and bronze working lerak = (n.) soapfruit, used in polishing silver limonite ...
Page 1037
“Gold Foil Burial Amulets.” Journal of the Malaysian Branch of the Royal Asiatic
Society 44, pp. 71-77. Parekh, Kishor 1971 “Deadly Beauty of the Kris.”
Orientations 2, pp. 65-73. Pigeaud, Th. 1958 “Javanese Gold.” Bdijdragen tot de
Taal-, ...
Where’s the rest of this book? (Is a link not me asking a question)

[hoosiermama]

Here’s a sample on “jewelry”

Xxxxxx
Page 727
Jewelry-making enterprises spent proportionately more on inputs and less on
labor than blacksmithing enterprises, however, because they relied less on hired
labor. Expressed as a percentage of gross output, household jewelry-making ...
Page 728
The ratio of profit to the owner and wages to hired workers was 8.5:1 for small
jewelry- making enterprises vs 14.1:1 for small blacksmithing enterprises. Profit to
the owner as a percentage of gross output was only 20.9% for jewelry-making vs
...
Page 747
Exporting is still rare for code 381 enterprises, but may be more common for code
39 enterprises such as jewelry- and musical instrument-making (see Chapter IX);
18. The three problems most frequently reported by small metalworking ...

[Fantasywriter]

Thanks for that excerpt. If I read it right, there is no overlap between jewelry and blacksmithing?

[hoosiermama]

No results for Subud
But two for Bapak
Here:
http://books.google.com/books?output=html_text&id=LxXcAAAAMAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=Bapak

Xxxxx
Results 1-2 of 2
Page 587
Pak is an honorific which comes from Bapak or “father.” It is used for any married
man. gu is the parallel term for married women. It comes from Ibu or “mother.” The
names used in Kajar are typical Javanese names. In daily conversation the ...
Page 640
Government projects include cash and equipment credits, a blacksmithing
cooperative, a common service facility (Unit Pelayanan Teknis) , and
appointment of a “Foster Father” (Bapak Angkat) for the village. A few individuals
have even been ...

[hoosiermama]

She classifies them in two different categories. Would like to see a list of all of the segments

It appears she worked with all facets

Fred and I were discussing the “ring” Maybe this holds the key to where he got it!

The definition of bapak and other terms is interesting

[Fantasywriter]

Yes, it did seem as if she was talking about two separate categories. Blacksmithing doesn’t normally involve jewelry...except in Lord of the Rings, & similar. But that is, ahem, a whole other world.

I don’t know how you’d establish where he got the ring. My $ goes on the Arab guy Obama was sitting next to on the couch...WAY too close to, from a hetero POV. I cd never prove that, however, nor wd I try. I doubt the ring’s disposition can be ascertained via online research, fwiw. But I could end up pleasantly surprised. Time will tell.

[Ray76]

>> Why don’t you print it here along with the link we used to repeat works...

I don’t understand what you’re asking.