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Antifa Violence Is Ethical? This Author Explains Why
NBC News ^ | August 26, 2017 | Benjy Sarlin

Posted on 08/28/2017 3:42:12 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

After decades of relative obscurity, the fringe "antifa" movement is becoming a household name after followers clashed with white supremacists at the Charlottesville "Unite the Right" rally where extremist Alex Fields is accused of murdering 32-year-old activist Heather Heyer in a car attack.

But the movement is still loosely defined and organized, making it difficult to get a grip on its size and aims.

Professor Mark Bray, a historian and lecturer at Dartmouth, has tried to fill the gap in his new book, "Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook," that chronicles its rise. While Bray doesn't participate in the group's protests, he nonetheless considers himself an ally.

President Donald Trump called out the antifa movement by name at an Arizona rally last week, but they’ve attracted criticism from conservative and liberal commentators alike for its use of violent protest to shut down public events featuring far-right speakers. Bray has attracted his own criticism: Dartmouth’s president put out a statement distancing the college from any "endorsement of violence" after Bray defended antifa tactics on Meet The Press.

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Bray talked to NBC News about the antifa movement — and the role violence plays within it — on Thursday. Our conversation, edited for length and clarity.

NBC News: How would you define the antifa movement?

BRAY: It’s basically a politics or an activity of social revolutionary self defense. It’s a pan-left radical politics uniting communists, socialists, anarchists and various different radical leftists together.....

(Excerpt) Read more at nbcnews.com ...


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: antifa; antifaduh; antifirstamendment; communists; insurrection; sedition; terrorism; terrorists; trump; violence; whatgoesaround; willcomearound
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1 posted on 08/28/2017 3:42:12 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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While Bray doesn't participate in the group's protests, he nonetheless considers himself an ally.

An ally of the pAntifags is an enemy of these United States.

2 posted on 08/28/2017 3:43:48 PM PDT by NorthMountain (The Democrats ... have lost their grip on reality -DJT)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Communist violence is always excusable by leftist professors, it’s about the revolution.


3 posted on 08/28/2017 3:44:40 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

President Trump: Pay attention, it’s a terrorist organization that needs to be designated as such and infiltrated and stopped in its tracks. Its money source and other life blood attachments needs to be stopped immediately. Its members who engage in violence need to be prosecuted under federal statues and it crushed as you are crushing MS 13. Get it done before this cancer keeps spreading.


4 posted on 08/28/2017 3:46:01 PM PDT by Uncle Sam 911
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To: NorthMountain

he nonetheless considers himself an ally.
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Good to know, I consider him an enemy.


5 posted on 08/28/2017 3:46:06 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

Yes, anytime you want to bring up Stalin’s or Mao’s or Pol Pot’s absolutely unspeakable crimes against humanity that took place in just the last century, they will lecture to you about what the British Empire allegedly did or even go back to the Crusades.


6 posted on 08/28/2017 3:46:41 PM PDT by OttawaFreeper ("If I had to go to war again, I'd bring lacrosse players" Conn Smythe)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Then it’s just as ethical for us to return the favor.


7 posted on 08/28/2017 3:48:26 PM PDT by ex91B10
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’ll be an interesting news cycle if those Antifa parasites ever assault me. I won’t show any restraint.


8 posted on 08/28/2017 3:49:56 PM PDT by baltimorepoet
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To: Uncle Sam 911
President Trump: Pay attention, it’s a terrorist organization that needs to be designated as such ...

Not happening. Not sure why, but that's the path he's taking.

9 posted on 08/28/2017 3:55:56 PM PDT by CatOwner
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To: Lurkinanloomin

>>Communist violence is always excusable by leftist professors, it’s about the revolution.

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Until those professors are the victims of the violence.


10 posted on 08/28/2017 3:56:57 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (The UK has no death penalty, unless you are an 11 month old infant with no arrest history)
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Peace through Violence — CNN


11 posted on 08/28/2017 3:57:33 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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So NBC is now endorsing and supporting violence?


12 posted on 08/28/2017 3:59:39 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad ("the media are selling you a line of soap")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I believe the Gestapo and SS considered rounding up Jews and others as preemptive self defense too.


13 posted on 08/28/2017 4:00:52 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: ex91B10

I.e. there are no ethics. It’s dog eat dog.

In my brazen youth, we used to exult in this kind of reflection. I remember the espoused motto of the class of ‘65 ( I was ‘66 ) “Cheat, lie, steal, run, kill if you have to.” All said in high good humor.


14 posted on 08/28/2017 4:02:45 PM PDT by dr_lew (I)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I heard him in an interview. He never addressed the main issue, the fact that these fascist consider everyone who disagrees with them in the slightest, a fascist worthy of a beating.
15 posted on 08/28/2017 4:04:37 PM PDT by fungoking (Tis a pleasure to live in the 0zarks)
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Joseph Stalin was the original anti-Fascist. One thing he did well - convince the world that the Fascists and their close brethren, National Socialists, were somehow “right wing”, and thus tar the real right wing political parties with that slander.

Fascism and the National Socialist doctrines are only “right-wing” in relation to the international socialism called Communism, and not all that very distant from the total socialist state. A kind of false capitalism is permitted under Fascism and National Socialism, what we would brand as “crony capitalism” today. The regime picks winners and losers, and keeps a tight rein on both.

Declare what is “legal” or “illegal” and tax the hell out of it. Or assess completely disproportionate fines and fees.


16 posted on 08/28/2017 4:06:14 PM PDT by alloysteel (Guilty until proven innocent, while denying defense, justice, mercy or any appeal. No pardon, ever.)
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Shooting rioters and looters is thus entirely ethical.

Around the time of the Ferguson riots I opined that if a resident therein sees a group of rioters in a black neighborhood and there are whites in the group they should shoot the whites first because it would increase the odds of killing one of these communist rather than some mere malcontent or criminal.

I didn’t say that doing so would likely discourage the rest without angering them to come after the shooter at the time because it would be long months before such a thought even began to occur to me (as I observed the overtly racist underpinnings of BLM).

Also, such advice wouldn’t hold for a riot in a predominantly white neighborhood given that rioters and looters seem to be lazy, doing their thing close to home like the special kind of idiots that they are.

Thankfully these Antifa types self identify....


17 posted on 08/28/2017 4:07:27 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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18 posted on 08/28/2017 4:09:44 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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Then it’s just as ethical for us to return the favor.

Yep. And we are under no obligation to run from them or try to defuse the situation in any way. Go in expecting a fight - they will foolishly oblige. Have you seen how many females are in their ranks? Somewhere around 20%. They couldn't hold a line for 10 seconds with the ladies standing next to them. Break them apart, surround the stragglers and teach them the difference between talking a good fight and a good fight. They want to play in the strees - okay, lets play.
19 posted on 08/28/2017 4:10:02 PM PDT by Garth Tater (What's mine is mine.)
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To: alloysteel

In Hogan’s Heroe’s bumbling Master Sergeant Hans Schultz is revealed to be the former owner of the large, successful Schatzi Toy Company before the Nazis converted it to arms production.


20 posted on 08/28/2017 4:10:23 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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