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Dem: Cohen filing means Trump committed two felonies
The Hill ^ | December 7, 2018 | Chris Mills Rodrigo

Posted on 12/08/2018 3:58:16 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Rep. Ted Lieu (D-Calif.) argued Friday that federal prosecutors' latest filing in a case involving President Trump's former longtime attorney Michael Cohen means that Trump allegedly committed two felonies.

Lieu, a member of the House Judiciary Committee and frequent Trump critic, told MSNBC's Chris Matthews on "Hardball" that "we have a sitting president of the United States who committed two felonies while running for president.”....

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KEYWORDS: blackmail; cohen; democrats; felonies; feloniestalkingpoint; plalieu; plaofficerted; plateddy; tedlieu; trump
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More of the same criminal "justice" under dem rule: No presumption of innocence, if you are accused, you are guilty. This goes even further. If party A is accused of a crime, party B is guilty!

Today's dem party is the party of Stalin.

Mark

81 posted on 12/08/2018 7:37:04 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The minute the gavel drops for the next congressional session in January. The Republicans need to call a vote immediately to impeach the president. That should be the very first vote. Don’t let the Democrats drag this out for months or longer. Get it to the Senate where it will not pass. Heck, it may not even pass in the house, but get it out of the way. Don’t let the Democrats control this.


82 posted on 12/08/2018 7:54:08 PM PST by political1 (Love your neighbors)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Lieu has apparently been designated as a fluffer. His job is to keep the rat base excited between elections. Suspect he has previous experience.


83 posted on 12/08/2018 8:14:10 PM PST by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: Regulator
"But it was probably a double cross from the start."

I wouldn't be surprised if it was. I was checking on the sentences that others got on their plea deals, and the longest was 6 months in prison, plus 6 months home detention. Others were 14 days, and 30 days. Gates got no prison time and is now off GPS monitoring. Mueller is recommending that General Flynn get no prison time. Manafort cut a plea deal to avoid the second trial, but Mueller is now saying that Manafort broke the plea deal. My thought is that Manafort is the last Trump connected individual he has left to try to get anything on the President. What better way of pressuring Manafort to lie for him about Trump, than by coming up with reasons to void the plea deal?

84 posted on 12/08/2018 8:27:28 PM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Huskrrrr
Even if true, not an impeachable offense.

Those in the House will not let that stop them.
85 posted on 12/08/2018 9:31:28 PM PST by TexasGunLover
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To: piasa

Rep. Lieu, a really hate-filled man, is one toilet paper roll short of being a human outhouse.

I wonder what a background check on him and/or his parents will show. Was he associated with the left wing of the KMT party in Taiwan, or has he been involved with a US version of it in California? Does he have ties to the Democratic Socialists of America? (see; www.keywiki.org and www.DiscoverTheNetwork.org for more information on him).

Is he one of Rep. Judy Chu’s(D-Ca) “Red Chinese lobby” group?

His employment of Abid Awan is very interesting. Maybe the Paks weren’t the only ones who wanted to looksee into House computers and files.

I would love nothing more than to send Ted Lieu down the “political lue” of history.

After all, he sounds like he’s full of crap right now. Time to pull the chain on his career.


86 posted on 12/08/2018 9:59:36 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Skywise

There is no felony disqualification for the President. Constitution says you have to be 35 and a natural born citizen. Beyond that, you can be a felon. It is irrelevant anyway, because the only recourse for a criminal accusation against the President is impeachment. Congress can ignore a felony, or impeach for a misdemeanor. It is a political question more than a legal question. After a president is impeached and convicted in the Senate, he would be open to actual criminal charges by federal or state prosecutors.


87 posted on 12/09/2018 12:04:31 AM PST by Wayne07
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To: political1
The minute the gavel drops for the next congressional session in January. The Republicans need to call a vote immediately to impeach the president.

They can't. They will be in the minority.

88 posted on 12/09/2018 5:43:14 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: Wayne07

The story is that Cohen was repaid, over time, by Trump. Trump, like any other candidate, is permitted UNLIMITED campaign contributions to his own campaign.


89 posted on 12/09/2018 8:44:00 AM PST by jdsteel (Americans are Dreamers too!!!)
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The story is that Cohen was repaid, over time, by Trump. Trump, like any other candidate, is permitted UNLIMITED campaign contributions to his own campaign.

The payment could have been made legally, but there are numerous steps including disclosures that didn't happen, so it is very black and white that it was a campaign law violation. That's why Cohen is a crappy lawyer and going to jail.

90 posted on 12/09/2018 9:25:59 AM PST by Wayne07
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To: Wayne07

That also assumes that a nondisclosure agreement is automatically a campaign contribution....which is yet another stretch. Nope; this is another nothing burger.


91 posted on 12/09/2018 10:42:39 AM PST by jdsteel (Americans are Dreamers too!!!)
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To: jdsteel
That also assumes that a nondisclosure agreement is automatically a campaign contribution....which is yet another stretch. Nope; this is another nothing burger.

No one is saying the a nondisclosure agreement is a campaign contribution, it doesn't matter. All the matters is that money was spent in excess of the campaign finance limits, and that no disclosures were filed. They COULD have made these payments without violating campaign finance laws, but Cohen is an idiot and they didn't get it right.

92 posted on 12/09/2018 11:16:24 AM PST by Wayne07
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To: Wayne07

It was Trump’s own money. It had nothing to do with the campaign. Bloomberg spent millions of dollars in the last election. Steyer spent millions of dollars in the last election. Soros spent millions of dollars in the last election.

There is no limit as to how much of one’s own fortune they can use to run for office.


93 posted on 12/09/2018 11:19:04 AM PST by marajade
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To: Wayne07

The payments Cohen made to Stormy and the Playboy Bunnie ARE the “campaign contributions” in question, dude.


94 posted on 12/09/2018 11:57:01 AM PST by jdsteel (Americans are Dreamers too!!!)
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To: jdsteel

You are fixating on the term “campaign contribution” but it doesn’t matter what you call it, just by spending the money it triggers federal disclosure requirements. If Cohen had kept this clean and separate from the campaign there would be no issue. But he is an idiot and muddled it all together and even billed it as a campaign expense.


95 posted on 12/09/2018 12:33:46 PM PST by Wayne07
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To: Wayne07

It’s not me but Mueller that has the fixation of calling it a campaign contribution, guy. It’s the whole story....for what it is.

Are you claiming federal forms needed to be filled out for a NDA???


96 posted on 12/10/2018 4:22:49 PM PST by jdsteel (Americans are Dreamers too!!!)
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To: jdsteel

You don’t need to be deliberately obtuse. Federal forms don’t need to be filed for an NDA specifically, they need to be filed for campaign expenditures. Either it was a campaign donation by Cohen in violation of the donation limit, or it was a reimbursement without filing proper disclosure. There is no way out given the incompetent way it was set up by Cohen. That’s why is going to be in Prison soon, and he paved the way for a legal and political mess for Trump. It could have been done cleanly and legally, but it wasn’t.


97 posted on 12/10/2018 7:57:18 PM PST by Wayne07
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To: Wayne07

Sorry, it’s you that are being obtuse. Mark Levin and an expert on campaign financing law spent a lot of time on this issue the first time it came up. To assert that a NDA is a campaign contribution is ludicrous. Cohen was performing actions that a celebrities attorney performs on a regular basis, and who undoubtedly did it before. Campaign finance law specifically permits actions that would have been performed if not in a campaign.

If the “contribution” was made by Cohen Trump could not be charged with wrongdoing. If interpreted as a Trump “contribution” he has unlimited ability to contribute to his own campaign.

It’s a ludicrous charge. Weaker than Russian Collusion, which is also a farce.


98 posted on 12/10/2018 8:55:40 PM PST by jdsteel (Americans are Dreamers too!!!)
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To: jdsteel

Levin and the ex-FEC chair made a good defense when this came up months ago. And they were right in what they said . It just doesn’t apply anymore now that we know the details, and the Cohen bungled the handling of the payment. You are being deliberately obtuse because no one saying an NDA is a campaign contribution. An NDA is an NDA. Trump can make unlimited contributions, but expenditures then have to be reported, and they weren’t. Trump knew about the payments, we have the audio recordings, so if Cohen made them illegally they can rope Trump in for it as well. Anyway, whatever, it sucks for Trump, it was the Lawyers fault. Doesn’t help for you to act obtuse and ignore the facts now that they are out.


99 posted on 12/10/2018 9:36:56 PM PST by Wayne07
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To: Wayne07
You are being deliberately obtuse because no one saying an NDA is a campaign contribution. An NDA is an NDA.

With what you said we agree that there was no campaign contribution. Now then, please explain to me what paperwork is required for a non-contribution???

100 posted on 12/11/2018 7:06:53 AM PST by jdsteel (Americans are Dreamers too!!!)
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