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Russian Scientist: 'We should fear a deep temperature drop -- not catastrophic global warming'
Climate Depot ^ | October 27, 2009 | Habibullo Abdussamatov

Posted on 10/27/2009 10:07:42 AM PDT by ClimateDepot.com

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To: SirKit

Gore-Hansen Minimum ping!


21 posted on 10/27/2009 11:58:10 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: PeaceBeWithYou
Ooops forgot the link (Earth View realtime image)
22 posted on 10/27/2009 12:03:38 PM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afganistan and Iraq))
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To: netmilsmom

Time to buy more rice!

Got enough room in your attic for say, 50 years worth?


23 posted on 10/27/2009 12:04:31 PM PDT by djf (Grasshopper: The game is rigged. Patience takes forever to learn. You're so screwed!!)
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To: djf

I actually converted our dining room/schoolroom to a storage room. If one puts the food in those big bins, cover with blankets and a few pillows, it becomes a seat!

I’ve got a LOT of room that way. Stack two and there are even arm rests and tables.


24 posted on 10/27/2009 12:16:26 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: peeps36

http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/drama/watch/v18074581txXdajzg

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25 posted on 10/27/2009 12:19:05 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: netmilsmom

Good idea.
I have a spare bedroom that has bunches of the 18 gal rubbermaid plastic bins full of stuff. Beans, rice, dried soup mixes, gravy mixes, pancake mix, spices, you name it...


26 posted on 10/27/2009 12:20:25 PM PDT by djf (Grasshopper: The game is rigged. Patience takes forever to learn. You're so screwed!!)
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To: djf

That’s what I’m talkin’ about!!!!!!!
Good move!


27 posted on 10/27/2009 12:44:37 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: netmilsmom

Heck I was loading up on Top Ramen back when you could score them like 17 to the buck...

Not sure how tasty 8 year old Top Ramen would be, but better than dirt I guess!


28 posted on 10/27/2009 12:57:41 PM PDT by djf (Grasshopper: The game is rigged. Patience takes forever to learn. You're so screwed!!)
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To: silverleaf

Venezuela will become very crowded.


29 posted on 10/27/2009 1:10:55 PM PDT by HardStarboard ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule - Mencken knew Obama)
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To: Senator_Blutarski
If you can find a copy, read “Not By Fire, But By Ice” by Felix.

This guy is incredibly brilliant at synthesizing all the sources and results of natural warming and cooling of earth over the millennia - he has over 2000 scientific source papers he has analyzed.

Plus - he's a great writer - its an easy read.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=not+by+fire+but+by+ice+felix&x=19&y=17

30 posted on 10/27/2009 1:21:53 PM PDT by HardStarboard ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule - Mencken knew Obama)
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To: ClimateDepot.com

As I understand it TSI (Total Solar Irradiance) sounds important but really isn’t because its variation isn’t enough to account for the temp changes seen.

Instead most people think that sunspots mediate cloud cover via solar wind and their interference with cosmic rays.

The idea that less sunspots produce more solar wind, which in turn produces fewer cosmic rays which in turn produces more cloud cover which in turn produces less solar warming.


31 posted on 10/27/2009 1:30:36 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: djf

I actually love Ramen noodles.
The rest of the family will have to have pine needle soup.
High in Vitamin C!


32 posted on 10/27/2009 1:32:16 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: netmilsmom

They are just very easy to accessorize and spruce up. Get them boiling, and crack an egg and throw it in. You know that can of red beans you had in your pantry like forever? Open them up, rinse them off, then Top Ramenize them!

One of the things I’ve been buying alot of lately is the little packs of gravy mixes. Brown Gravy, Chicken Gravy, Various dried onion soup/dip/mixes, that kind of thing.

We might freeze, but I will never starve!


33 posted on 10/27/2009 1:40:31 PM PDT by djf (Grasshopper: The game is rigged. Patience takes forever to learn. You're so screwed!!)
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To: BIGLOOK; 75thOVI; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; Avoiding_Sulla; ...
Wow. :') Thanks BL.
 
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34 posted on 10/27/2009 4:26:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: ClimateDepot.com

To All Who May Read This,

Actually we are stupid. Our Government as a whole is stupid. So are many others who should take the Russian Scientists work to Heart. We have been stupid and shameless for years. We should never be at the crossroads of Cap and Trade. We should never be at the point our nation under God is to be given over to Global Babel. The U.N. Must Go.

We are in a Solar Minimum like no other and that affects everything on a line from St Louis and above. What affects Russia affects the USA. We may kiss our citrus industry goodbye.

We could lose all crop production depending on God’s will.

When we wake up in three to five years with our crops froze, our people taking over vacate malls and corpses stacked in hallways of schools and mega-churches, we will learn that which I’ve been saying for the last few months.

Global cooling is here. Maybe we should take it a step further due to the collapse of sunspot activity and say global freezing is not to far away.

We do not know how much we have angered God.

Unless the Good Lord changes His mind based on dumping this New World Babel for obedience to His ways, don’t be buying up a lot of Sun Block 30.

If the World keeps wanting it their way, well, those who listen to His way better listen well. Time is up. Listen to Him and His ways. Trust the Lord

As Noah finished the Ark and gathered the animals God sent to him, God closed up the Ark. What that means is, Noah, don’t listen anymore. You have done your duty. Don’t open the gate, no matter what you hear. Time is up. What happens outside is to be cleansed.

That said, I know the Russians well enough. The have counted the cost, laid the plans and made adjustments for losts.

For our government, there is not enough sand for all the heads in our various democratic liberal governments that wish to tolerate everything to be buried.

I thought at one time He would do a cleansing and not a judgment and everything set right. I now know that the God of Abraham is like Royally Angry now. He has seen the recent choices of man and his governments, He knows the hearts of our leaders. He is moving forward with His plans.

Global Babel beware.

God is not mocked. For whatever a man soweth, that shall he reap. This time it goes to the next level. It is going to the level of a cleansing, Judgment. What is normal in a minimum appears to be going severe.

He said He wouldn’t do it with water, now He will show what affect cold has on CO2. If those who think CO2 and other greenhouse gases are so bad, see what the Good Lord can do with CO2. Man has insulted His favors and His grace, we were in the best of times. But that wasn’t good enough. We mocked his gifts.

Now He will take away those good things He has given us until those who are left repent.

God is a Jealous God.

Signing Off on global warming and cooling. This is the last comment I have on this topic. I have other work to do.

May God have Mercy on us.

As Lord Jesus said, they don’t know what they are doing.

Paul Pierett
27 October 2009


35 posted on 10/27/2009 5:23:04 PM PDT by Paul Pierett (Paul Pierett)
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To: Paul Pierett

One should never expect altruism from human governance. Just look to recent examples. Human mass government has produced Nuclear Weapons, World Wars, Mass Starvation and Genocide. The greatest evil on the planet, the greatest threat to life on the planet, is Human Mass Governance. The current situation is another prime example. Human civilizations with their current population densities are greatly threatened by a cooling period, which could lead to a new ice age. And what is the response of Human Mass Governance ? To limit the very tools that humans will need to survive the cooling. It is time to stop the evil, stop the insanity and end Mass Governance.


36 posted on 10/27/2009 7:04:26 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: peeps36; SunkenCiv; All

Whether we have global warming or cooling, we still need to conserve our resources, and gradually reduce our population. Otherwise many people will die unnecessarily. Of course, the role of government in all of this will depend on the ability of the people to understand and react intelligently in their own interest.


37 posted on 10/27/2009 8:44:37 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: BIGLOOK

thanks, bfl


38 posted on 10/27/2009 10:12:24 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Senator_Blutarski
How is it that the warmth comes first and the CO2 that causes the warmth follows it?

Apparently, as evidenced by sun spot data going back to Galileo's time, and corresponding data taken from tree rings, ice cores and direct temperature measurements, variation in the output of the sun is the culprit. This variation occurs at regular intervals and the precise reason for the variation, as far as I am aware, is not known. What is known is periods of low sunspot activity directly correspond to periods of cool temps here on earth, and, as more recently observed, on Mars. The opposite is also true, i.e., periods of high sunspot activity correspond to higher temps here on the Earth and Mars.

Periods of low sunspot activity are generally referred to as "minimums". Periods of high sunspot activity are referred to as "maximums". Historically, the Sporer Minimum (1460-1550), the Maunder Minimum (1645-1715), the Dalton Minimum (1790-1830) all corresponded with extended periods of below normal temperatures. Although the precise dates of the "Little Ice Age" are disputed, it occurred during the Maunder Minimum. You can see the effects of this trend in etchings, carvings and paintings from the period showing people ice skating on various rivers in Europe and the UK.

Conversely, the Medieval Warming Period (800-1300)corresponds to the Medieval Maximum. The warming that occurred in the 20th Century corresponds to what is called the "Modern Maximum". We seem to be exiting the Modern Minimum now, though. We are currently 11 years into a cooling trend. It just so happens that we are also deep in a period of little or no sunspot activity.

It would seem much more reasonable to conclude that the rise in CO2 is an effect, like the carbonation leaving your diet Pepsi as it reaches room temperature. But that would leave you to search for a reasonable explanation for the global temperature rise, something like the variations in the amount of solar energy being emitted.

The problem with the C02 effect is that C02 is only .036% of the atmosphere. There have been periods in history where the C02 levels have been much higher, but temps much lower.

But then no one could blame mankind, and that is unacceptable.

The modern environmental movement, and especially those who preach anthropogenic global warming are far, far more interested in controlling others and making a buck, as opposed to truly being concerned about the Earth. The modern environmental movement, and especially the global warming crowd, really got going in earnest after the fall of the Soviet Union. I've often read that the new home of the Communist Part is the modern environmental movement. I've heard it described as being like a watermelon, green on the outside, red on the inside. That would explain a lot, wouldn't it?

39 posted on 10/28/2009 5:29:24 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Stop the insanity - Flush Congress!)
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To: ClimateDepot.com

The Sun’s Sneaky Variability

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2009/27oct_eve.htm?list924269


40 posted on 10/28/2009 5:40:45 AM PDT by listenhillary (A "cult of personality" arises when a leader uses mass media creating idealized/heroic public image)
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