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1 posted on 04/19/2012 8:05:10 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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Good article ~ things we need to know so we may conquer the worlds!

Now, about DNA being a self-replicating, self-assembling chemical ~ we knew that. Darwinian evolution has little to do with self-assembly though.

What we don't know is if it has super computers in there somewhere.

2 posted on 04/19/2012 8:28:43 PM PDT by muawiyah (ue)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Good article ~ things we need to know so we may conquer the worlds!

Now, about DNA being a self-replicating, self-assembling chemical ~ we knew that. Darwinian evolution has little to do with self-assembly though.

What we don't know is if it has super computers in there somewhere.

3 posted on 04/19/2012 8:29:02 PM PDT by muawiyah (ue)
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Seems to me its a better arguement for intelligent design than “natural” evolution.


4 posted on 04/19/2012 8:31:54 PM PDT by cport (How can political capital be spent on a bunch of ingrates)
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Looks like that totally pagan rag, (but one with really fancy photos!) The National Geographic has finally found the ultimate way to write God out of the equation.

"Oh, Happy Day!" (oops, sorry NG, for that culturally insensitive, religions musical reference)

Unfortunately, they let some "soon to be dismissed" staff writer slip into the headline a bit of religious terminology, i.e. "Synthetic DNA Created, Evolves on Its Own."

Keep plugging away, NG. Or, as Douglas Adams said, "Keep banging the rocks together!"

5 posted on 04/19/2012 8:32:10 PM PDT by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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NO! I won't accept that stupid ending to Mass Effect 3 no matter what "science" they trot out to try and reenforce it!

It's nonsense circular logic that Bio-ware wrote over a weekend because EA wanted to get the game out as fast as possible while hyping it up as much as they could!

The Synthesis ending was stupid! The Control Ending was stupid! and Destroy left everyone Effed over!

http://download.gamezone.com/uploads/image/data/1097686/mass_effect_fail.png

Oh wait, we weren't talking about Mass Effect 3's ending?

Sorry, I am still in remission from it.....

6 posted on 04/19/2012 8:33:33 PM PDT by KC_Lion (I will NEVER vote for Romney, the GOP will go the way of the Whigs if they nominate him)
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First, researchers made XNA building blocks to six different genetic systems by replacing the natural sugar component of DNA with one of six different polymers, synthetic chemical compounds.

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For instance, "it's possible that life didn't begin with DNA and proteins like we see today—it may have begun with something much, much simpler," he said.

Except in this case, they've shown that they can change something very complex into another form. They started with DNA, not something simpler. Am I reading it wrong?

7 posted on 04/19/2012 8:34:50 PM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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Maybe I’m just paranoid, but it sounds like a potential “mad scientist” loophole to get around percentages of human DNA based experimentation in the lab by using XNA.


8 posted on 04/19/2012 9:15:02 PM PDT by Southern Magnolia
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Even if this is true. It was an act of creation by an intelligent being to make it happen. Therefore not evolved in a truly naturalistic way.


9 posted on 04/19/2012 9:23:14 PM PDT by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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Who’s your daddy?


11 posted on 04/19/2012 9:40:49 PM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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Just from reading the brief review posted, there appear to
be a few potential areas that need clarification...

1) Where were the non natural sugar compounds attached to the
bases derived from? Were they synthesized in a nonintelligent
way?

2) only one of the artifical DNA’s(namely HNA) was able to
be altered by “selection pressure” What did the other XNA’s
do? Did they compete with the action of HNA? What was the
selection pressure? Was it a naturally occuring condition?

3) If the researchers “evolved” the polymerases, did they
start with a predetermined polymerase and changed it , or
did they form a polymerase by chance, and then “evolved” it?
Since when is using intelligence to alter something an
example of “naturally” occuring phenomena? Again, what were
the conditions for this “evolution” Was it a naturally
occuring physical environment, or was it a contrived environment?

4) How long of the chains of the XNAs were formed?...could there
be a natural limit to the size of these chemical polymers,
as is curling back in on itself and rendering itself useless
for further interactions.

5) Did these compounds pair up? What brought the compounds
all together in the correct way? What was the “chemical
yield” of these chemical reactions. Did only one percent
or 0.000001% of the polymers behave as reported.

6) What would happen to these compounds after their formation
if they are just left standing around...Would they decompose
rapidly?(think entropy)

7) Since the DNA’s and RNA’s need proteins and other
cytoplasmic agents to replicate and coil, and separate
(think mitotic spindle, or swivel proteins, non histone
proteins, etc) How does this information help that?

8) The action of DNA/RNA, protein synthesis ,etc in forming
life from basic chemicals is seen everyday in the development
of offspring(think babies, kittens, puppies, and guppys)
How does this information differ from that phenomena?


13 posted on 04/19/2012 10:34:02 PM PDT by Getready (Wisdom is more valuable than gold and diamonds, and harder to find.)
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Chimeras
15 posted on 04/20/2012 12:16:44 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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Interesting stuff. They should be able to learn a lot from it.


16 posted on 04/20/2012 12:44:58 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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Sounds like a recipe for disaster.
17 posted on 04/20/2012 12:54:03 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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If the article is correct, it described Lamarckian evolution not Darwinian. That is, ‘pressures’ provoke hereditary changes passed down to offspring. “Giraffes have long necks because they needed to reach the tender growth at the top of the tree.”


19 posted on 04/20/2012 1:57:19 AM PDT by Chaguito
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There are many like them. And they have a plan.


20 posted on 04/20/2012 3:17:22 AM PDT by Biff55 (Winter is coming.)
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Ahh, crap.

As in the days of Noah...


25 posted on 04/20/2012 7:18:51 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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THX THX.

INDEED . . . as in the days of Noah . . .

Just one puzzle piece among many dozens on the same type of issue.

BTW, Roamer, 2ND Div Vet—would enjoy an update from both of you . . .

Prayers & hugs

LUB BROS.


26 posted on 04/20/2012 7:57:40 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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Sooooo, Terminator might be real???

Seriously though, this scares the CRAP out of me!


33 posted on 04/21/2012 4:16:30 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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Very much an experimental petitio principii on their part.

XNA != 'cells' ; the polymerases were synthesized to order and did not form spontaneously; this article mentions selection pressure (unspecified) on the XNA in a test tube (in vitro, not in vivo, and not through the mechanism of selection of macroscopic characteristics of the organism possessing the XNA); no mention of any ability of any analogues to mRNA or the like, nor of any changes to the codons when going from four to six base pairs; come to think of it, no explanation of why six base pairs were used; and no mention of spontaneous mistranscriptions, methlyation, etc.

Too much smoke being blown, not enough fire as yet.

Cheers!

34 posted on 04/21/2012 5:32:32 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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if it evolves, does it live?


35 posted on 04/21/2012 11:16:48 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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