Posted on 03/23/2015 12:44:17 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Uranus spins sideways - explain that, Velikovsky.
I’m not one who believes in a designed universe in as much as I do believe in a creator but one who grants a free hand after creation. in effect design by evolution (not the reverse).
I do not expect most here to agree with my assessment but I do respect all beliefs, and am always open to the ultimate truth, whatever that will prove to be.
And we cannot even approach half the speed of light:
A paper published in Natural Science brings some boring common sense to the speed-of-light-travel table. In order to travel huge distances in next to no time, people need to travel close to the speed of light. In so doing, travelers cover extremely large distances very quickly and, thanks to the quirks of relativity, would feel like it took mere minutes because of an effect known as time dilation, which squashes perceived time.
Trouble is, traveling close to the speed of light brings about other effects, too. In Natural Science, Edelstein and Edelstein point out that hydrogen in any craft cable of traveling at the speed of light would also prevent it from traveling at the speed of light. They explain:
Unfortunately, as spaceship velocities approach the speed of light, interstellar hydrogen H, although only present at a density of approximately 1.8 atoms/cm3, turns into intense radiation that would quickly kill passengers and destroy electronic instrumentation. In addition, the energy loss of ionizing radiation passing through the ship's hull represents an increasing heat load that necessitates large expenditures of energy to cool the ship.
In other words, travel close to the speed of light and you'll be bombarded with so much radiation that you kick the bucket. The knock-on effect is that even if it's possible to create a craft capable of traveling close the speed of light, it wouldn't be able to transport people.
Instead, there's a natural speed limit imposed by safe levels of radiation due to hydrogen, which means humans couldn't travel faster than half the speed of light unless they were willing to die almost immediately. - http://gizmodo.com/5957697/super-fast-space-travel-would-kill-you-in-minutes
As an object approaches the speed of light, its mass rises precipitously. If an object tries to travel 186,000 miles per second, its mass becomes infinite, and so does the energy required to move it. For this reason, no normal object can travel as fast or faster than the speed of light. - http://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/what-if/what-if-faster-than-speed-of-light.htm
Ever since the 19th Century and early 20th Century discoveries of the nature of electromagnetic radiation and subatomic particle physics, the fact that particle and electromagnetic radiation in space is deadly to potential space travelers and even deadlier at speeds that are a significant fraction of the speed of light has been well known. So your concern represents a strawman argument insofar as it may pretend there had ever been a serious proposal for humans to attempt to accelerate a space craft to those high speeds. In reality, the only serous proposals seek to a means of transiting interstellar distances using relatively slow speed spacecraft over periods of generations or discover a means of transiting those interstellar distances within fractions of a year or number of years by utilizing the effects of quantum mechanics to bypass normal spacetime and its relativistic restrictions.
Do you have an example of one animal or species that has evolved? You do realize their are no verifiable fossils of a transitory animal.
One more settled science was the Peak Oil theory which said we would run out of oil in 2020. Guess they missed that one too.
Shucks, 100 billion is chump change. Try and wrap your brain around the U.S. national debt. Around 18.1 trillion dollars.
Or they existed and fell apart (we’re a pretty young planet). Or they or their transmissions just haven’t gotten here yet. It’s a big galaxy, if you assume our earliest radio transmissions are bouncing around space in a detectable form (which they probably aren’t strong enough to, but we’ll pretend they made it just because that’s the earliest thing we’ve done that could be detected by other civilizations) they’ve covered less than 1% of the galaxy. Much less than 1%.
Peak Oil didn’t even make sense on its face if you understand economics at all.
We could, indeed, “run out of oil” AT THE PRESENT PRICE AND LEVEL OF TECHNOLOGY.
There is a myriad of differences between ancient individuals and later individuals in a species. There is no one missing links there is constant change. Believe what you will but don’t try to use pseudo science to validate your argument.
Pot/Kettle/Black
I used to believe in Darwinism, but found I just didn’t have that level of faith.
Science itself is evolving. Perhaps one day science and religion will find they used different strategies to achieve the same answers....an awful resident of the White Hut once said it was above his pay grade. An answer like that is loathsome when human lives are at stake (like the abortion issue the slime was evading). But in non life and death situations I believe an answer like that can be used while waiting for the math to fit the universal truths. I like mankinds struggle to understand everything. No different learning the physics of the universe than learning how to make fire or wheels or napping flint into spear points.
“What does outer space have that can beat creating and living in your own world?”
Sexy alien women maybe? That seems to have been Kirk’s primary motivation.
I was addressing an issue which i believe most of those whom i have heard repeating newscast about habitual planets are not aware of, but that they assume this generation can get there. And it is not only radiation that is a problem, but hitting even a minute object can be deadly at extreme speeds (shields are down Captain!).
using relatively slow speed spacecraft over periods of generations or discover a means of transiting those interstellar distances within fractions of a year or number of years by utilizing the effects of quantum mechanics to bypass normal spacetime and its relativistic restrictions.
Unless you can get the Amish to be space family Robinsons, i think the second might have more chance of success!
What I normally tell Christians who talk about God “using” evolution, is that God does not use broken tools...
God doesn't Necessarily use evolution. He may just allow it to happen.
“Unless you can get the Amish to be space family Robinsons, i think the second might have more chance of success!”
Back in 1966 I was invited to attend a professor’s evening conference at his university in which the topic of discussion was interstellar space travel. It took some time, effort, and expense to travel to that university; so, I was more than a little annoyed by what happened. The professor started the event by asking the question and then ran a ten minute diatribe and litany of ridicule against the very idea such a possibility could even be suggested. He then proceeded to change the discussion to the completely unrelated discussion of Carbon tetrachloride and related chemistries for the remainder of the conference.
To maintain decorum I had to remain silent, but it later proved to be an experience which ably demonstrated the poor caliber of this large public university and its academics.
Suffice it to note the professor demonstrated his utter want of knowledge and commonsense. Interstellar space travel by humans is very possible with technologies little better than what was available in 1966 or now in 2015. The only catch is that doing so will require multiple human lifetimes aboard an asteroid that has been converted into a permanent human habitat for a large human population. Furthermore, once humans have learned to survive and prosper indefinitely in asteroidal habitats, it is unlikely that humans will see much need to colonize planets except to maintain outposts to extract useful resources.
The asteroids in the Solar System are sufficient in number, size, and resources to support a total human population numbering in the trillions of people. Long after the Sun has expanded in size to become a red giant star and destroyed Mercury, Venus, and perhaps the Earth as well, the human colonies among the asteroids can remain safe and prosper farther out in the Solar System. Any human communities who choose to accept the risks and the separation from the rest of the human societies due to conflicts or simply for a desire for discovery can slowly accelerate their asteroid or asteroids to the escape velocity necessary to begin an interstellar journey. Along the journey to another star, the voyagers may discover a number of starless rogue planets and asteroids along the way.
Upon arrival at another star system the travelers may choose not to decelerate their asteroidal ship to orbit the star or a planet in that star system. Instead, they would likely send out spacecraft to explore anything of interest as the asteroid passes through the star system on its perpetual journey through interstellar space. The exploerers would have little reason to stay in the other star system unless it was to colonize its asteroids as had been done before in the Solar System.
The principal risks to the human populations living among the asteroids would be disease and pandemics resulting from the development of diseases without the development of corresponding immunities.
The risk is also "tribal" warfare, as unless committed to and unified under a purpose, and proven moral code and government, including a judiciary, they will realize the same conflicts they may have wanted to escape, and worse, and with more destructive consequences.
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