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Ben Carson is right, a Muslim president actually IS a bad idea, according to the Koran
sgberman.com ^ | 9/21/15 | Steve Berman

Posted on 09/21/2015 7:49:27 AM PDT by lifeofgrace

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On Sunday, a Muslim cleric declared that Fantasy Football is considered “haram”—that means forbidden by Islamic law.  That’s only the latest thing found to be off-limits for followers of Islam.  Islamic State clerics famously forbid the practice of pigeon breeding because “sight of the birds’ genitals as they fly overhead is offensive to Islam.”

(Leading to perhaps the greatest headline in the history of publishing: “Allah Hates Pigeon Penises,” by Jonah Goldberg.)

You might think these religious decrees are funny, or even quaint, but they’re dead serious, and form the strongest defense of Ben Carson’s statement on NBC’s Meet The Press, “I would not advocate that we put a Muslim in charge of this nation. I absolutely would not agree with that.”

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While liberals react with outrage that Carson—or Trump, for that matter—would dare suggest that it would be bad to have a Muslim president, the Constitution itself upholds that view.  Article VI states:

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.
A Muslim taking office must swear to support the Constitution, but that would be considered a false oath in Islam—a sin.
The oath which is Harām under all circmstances and which one can never take is that of dissociating with Allah (S.w.T.) and His religion. For example a man says;

“If I do not perform this particular action, I shall be dissociated with Allah (S.w.T.) and His religion.” Such an oath is certainly Harām.

In the same way if one says:

“If I do not do this, I would have disbelieved in the Holy Prophet (S), or I would have rejected the Mastership of ‘Ali (a.s.), or I would become a disbeliever.” Such a vow is also Harām. It is Harām whether one wishes to prove the truth or to lay emphasis upon a fact.

The Holy Prophet (S) heard a person taking such an oath. He (S) said, “Woe be unto you, if you leave the religion of Muhammad (S) then which religion would you follow?”

The narrator says that the Holy Prophet (S) did not speak to this man till the end of his life.

I am not an Islamic scholar, but I really don’t need to be.  The fact that all these laws and prohibitions are contained in Islamic holy books is proof enough:  Islam is a political-religious system.  This isn’t even in dispute by Muslim scholars.  And even in a democracy, Islam’s precepts are very different from our Constitution provides.
In Western democracy the people are sovereign, in Islam sovereignty is vested in Allah and the people are His caliphs or representatives. In the former the people make their own laws; in the latter they have to follow and obey the laws (Shari‘ah) given by Allah through His Prophet. In one the Government undertakes to fulfil the will of the people; in the other Government and the people alike have to do the will of Allah. Western democracy is a kind of absolute authority which exercises its powers in a free and uncontrolled manner, whereas Islamic democracy is subservient to the Divine Law and exercises its authority in accordance with the injunctions of Allah and within the limits prescribed by Him.
There is no religious test in America, and that’s just fine with Christians and Jews (and Hindus, Baha’i, Buddhists, and just about all other religions), but it’s not fine with Muslims.

This is where the left jumps in and says “But the BIBLE prohibits all kinds of things, like gay marriage, and bestiality, and working on the Sabbath, punishable by DEATH!” (Yes, the ALL CAPS are necessary to convey the flying spittle and raw outrage.)

But no.

Those Biblical laws apply to the Hebrews, the children of Israel, under God’s covenant in the Old Testament.  They never applied to ancient Babylon.  They never applied to the Aztecs, or the Assyrians, or anyone except Israel.  And even today, they don’t apply to the secular state of Israel, except to the degree that state has chosen to be the “Jewish state” and recognize Halachic law (Jewish religious law).

Christians believe that a new covenant was made when God’s son Jesus came to usher in a time of grace.  And that new covenant superseded the old, both in dispensation (time) and in relationship (the world versus just Israel).  And the Apostle Paul wrote in the New Testament “All things are lawful, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful, but not all things edify.” (1 Corinthians 10:23).  The democracy practiced in America is fully compatible with Christianity, and therefore no religious test is necessary.

But Islam requires a religious test, thereby automatically violating Constitutional principles.  In order to take an oath supporting the Constitution, an observant Muslim will have to renounce his own commitment to Sharia Law, which, in Islam, is a sin.

And in Islam, sin really matters (ask the cigarette smokers who were beheaded--you can't because they're dead).

Ben Carson is not a legal scholar, but he’s absolutely right that a Muslim should not be president.  It’s the leftist media and Democratic talking point pundits who ignore reality in the name of “tolerance.”  I wonder how tolerant Sharia Law would treat them?

(crossposted from RedState.com)


TOPICS: Government; Politics; Religion
KEYWORDS: bencarson; donaldtrump; muslim; president

1 posted on 09/21/2015 7:49:27 AM PDT by lifeofgrace
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To: lifeofgrace

We had one for 7 years wake up media.


2 posted on 09/21/2015 7:51:13 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: lifeofgrace

We already have a Muslim POTUS.

What’s new?


3 posted on 09/21/2015 7:51:31 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: longfellow

Funny how they overlook the last seven years of empirical data.


4 posted on 09/21/2015 7:54:18 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: SpaceBar

Why are they still bringing it up, oshithead isn’t running again.


5 posted on 09/21/2015 7:55:29 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

I think we have a guy who does feel bound by ANY oath, religious of not. But he gives more respect to Muslims than he does to Christians. Them he praises, us he scolds.


6 posted on 09/21/2015 8:00:43 AM PDT by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: longfellow

Putting a Muslim in the White House now...would be like putting a Nazi in the White House during WW2...


7 posted on 09/21/2015 8:01:33 AM PDT by Herodes
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To: Catsrus

Ping.


8 posted on 09/21/2015 8:01:37 AM PDT by Paladin2 (u)
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To: Herodes

I didn’t vote for the muzzie, I voted for Palin.


9 posted on 09/21/2015 8:12:08 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: lifeofgrace

I only remember a little about the dust-up over bo’s taking the oath of office ... an error, then finished behind closed doors?

Seems pertinent now.


10 posted on 09/21/2015 8:16:49 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob (Using 4th keyboard due to wearing out the "/" and "s" on the previous 3)
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To: lifeofgrace

Muslims can take any oath they want. Lying to infidels is heartily encouraged in Koran.


11 posted on 09/21/2015 8:19:29 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07

[”Muslims can take any oath they want. Lying to infidels is heartily encouraged in Koran”]

People need to understand this.


12 posted on 09/21/2015 8:28:12 AM PDT by Calpublican (Boehner,McConnell,Corker,McCain,Alexander,Hatch,Graham+More=Corrupt)
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To: lifeofgrace

the “bad idea” issue was NEVER the issue.......


13 posted on 09/21/2015 8:44:15 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (WTF? How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost...Again)
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To: jwalsh07

But we don’t have to BELIEVE their lies!


14 posted on 09/21/2015 9:00:58 AM PDT by lifeofgrace (Follow me on Twitter @lifeofgrace224)
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To: lifeofgrace

Bkmk


15 posted on 09/21/2015 9:06:45 AM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: lifeofgrace

There is no such thing as a “Muslim President”.

You may have Muslim Dictators or Thugs.

But the Koran does not allow for democratcy, thus “President”
is not possible.


16 posted on 09/21/2015 9:23:45 AM PDT by tennmountainman ("Prophet Mountainman" Predicter Of All Things RINO...for a small pittance.)
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To: longfellow

Yes we have one now and he’s living proof Islam is not capatible with Democracy or Christianity.


17 posted on 09/21/2015 11:03:55 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Ya got that right. That’s why he had to transform America.


18 posted on 09/21/2015 11:27:02 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: Candor7

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/419243/allah-hates-pigeon-penises-jonah-goldberg

saw this link and thought you might enjoy this


19 posted on 09/21/2015 4:54:32 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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