Posted on 10/27/2017 1:44:25 PM PDT by davikkm
After the shocking treatment of voters in the Catalan “referendum” which saw people literally dragged out of voting stations and elderly people bleeding in the streets, added to the iron fist threat of taking back power from the autonomous region, Catalonia’s elected officials have voted 70 to 10 to declare independence from Spain.
But what is the reality of the situation? It is well known that earlier this month, the Catalan President Carles Puigdemont organized a referendum that was deemed illegal by the Spanish government in Madrid. When the government sent in “the troops” it rallied support from unlikely sectors around the world. But the one group that were firmly unmoved by Catalonia’s plight were the European Union. Not only did they refuse to condemn Spain’ actions, they seemed in many ways to support the heavy handedness.
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As the Founding Fathers found out in 1776, it ain’t quite that simple.
So the next move belongs to Madrid. This could get interesting.
as long as the large muslim population in Catalonia gets wiped out to the last individual, I really don’t care.
The United States of America should strongly support this - for obvious reasons. If the supposed land of the free and the home of the brave can’t be counted on, who can?
Do some kind of Marshall Plan; give them super-preferred trade status. Offer military help to kick some Madrid butt and marginalize the EU weenies.
These are opportunities that should NOT get away from us. Maybe we should park the USS Ronald Reagan outside Spain after she gets done with NoKorea.
It would make a hell of a lot more sense than Bush’s Iraq fiasco. And would truly be for the cause of freedom.
As someone noted: this is not meaningfully different from war.
The nation has a duty to keep the country unified & defended from anyone breaking those bonds. There is no mechanism in place (goes for most, if not all, countries) for any semi-autonomous region to exit completely. Every country has a policy of putting down insurrections - well, that’s what this vote is.
If my state held a vote outside any relevant Constitutional mechanism and declared itself independent of the country as a whole, I’d expect the feds would march in and say “uh, no” quite forcefully as a matter of “putting down insurrections”, even if that meant burning the capitol to the ground - oh wait, that’s exactly what happened about 150 years ago.
The reins in Spain Fall mainly on the chains.
WWFD?
The local police whose chief was removed by order from Madrid was praised for moving quickly after the terrorist attack the other month to raid terrorist hideouts and protect the public from further attack.
Nigel Farage thinks Catalans should have the same right the Scots did to vote on their independence the other year.
He sees the Spanish crackdown backed by the EU as authoritarian and anti-democratic.
The Neocons control the POTUS on this matter.
They are Corporatists, Globalists.
Nigel Farage has a better view.
It depends on who is driving Catalan independence, do they also want to be a part of the EU, and if so, then what’s the point?
Something interesting to consider, is that Catalonia extends into Southeastern France, would the residents also choose to leave France for newly independent Catalonia?
“would the residents also choose to leave France’
Did they have a border in mind for the new nation? It should be outlined already.
Is this something we should care about? How does it affect the U.S.?
Catalonians have been thinking about independence from Spain (Castile) for a very long time. They have their own language and I think many of them think of themselves as Catalonian rather than Spanish. Whether or not independence is a good idea or what the politics of the independence movement is, I don’t know.
I tried to look up what Mr. Farage may have suggested about the Catalonia situation, but I didn’t see he said anything substantive.
Can you tell me what he advocates that is the better solution?
Next up is País Vasco, the Basque country. Their language is closer to Gallic than anything else so they’ve got about as much culturally in common with the Spanish as the Welsh do.
No, we shouldn’t. you may be seeing what you want to see in this matter. From what people have said, Catalonia was a center of Left-Wing militancy in Spain for quite some time-the independence parties are all or mostly freaking Leftist themselves, and they may desire a independent Catalonia be part of the EU anyways.
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