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Posted on 03/26/2018 6:27:09 AM PDT by Voption
"...On Earth quartz veins indicate past water flow, and also indicate the presence of valuable minerals like gold. What these veins on Mars mean is presently unknown, though I guarantee the Curiosity science team is using the rover to find out everything they can. Almost certainly the veins suggest the past presence of liquid flows, probably water (but I make no promises)."
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Quartz veins have absolutely zero correlation with water flow. Science these days seems based on feelings, not facts. I suspect Autism has far more prevelance than we suspect.
I read a paper by a physicist who believes that two thermonuclear explosions were what was responsible for Mars losing most of its atmosphere.
In Worlds in Collision (1950) Immanuel Velikovsky presents a theory of interest as well, regarding a near miss with another celestial body.
Percival proven right!
Useless link.
“Quartz veins have absolutely zero correlation with water flow. Science these days seems based on feelings, not facts. I suspect Autism has far more prevelance than we suspect.”
Yes and no. Most quartz veins are associated with igneous activity. However, you can have quartz dissolved and deposited in cracks and fissures in rocks. This is a solution precipitation and or replacement process dependent on water.
Perhaps water at 2000 degrees, which of course is impossible as a surface flow. Gold is also deposited in cracks in and around Quartz the same way. However that cannot occur near the surface. The only reason we find quartz with gold near the surface is it was not near the surface when it was formed, the mountain was eroded to that point.
So the presence of Quartz is not an indicator of water flow as the article says. More like super heated high pressure steam from deep in the planet core.
Earth has a magnetic field, that protects the atmosphere and oceans from the solar wind. Mars does not.
Very well said. Cue up “King of Wishful Thinking”.
and from the depths of the hard drives and FRchives:
Red planet’s hue due to meteors, not water
New Scientist | September 4 2003 | Hazel Muir
Posted on 12/21/2006 12:27:00 AM PST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1756678/posts
Floods at Mars’ equator are recent, scientists say
UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA NEWS RELEASE
Posted: February 19, 2002
Not only lava, but water has recently flooded from fissures near Mars’ equator, University of Arizona scientists have discovered.
http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0202/20marsfloods/
J. E. Brandenburg, of Morningstar Applied Physics LLC, is the scientist who a few years ago started claiming that there is clear evidence of two anomalous nuclear explosions on Mars. He may as well be claiming that the Annunaki from Nibiru are responsible. Mars' atmospheric pressure at the surface is about what the atmosphereic pressure is at 40 miles altitude around the Earth, IOW, there's no life on Mars, and a couple of nukes wouldn't be enough to get rid of some supposed atmosphere for which there is no evidence anyway.
That is said to be why Mars has a thin atmosphere.
OTOH, Venus being closer to the Sun gets a lot more solar wind to blast away it’s thick soupy atmosphere, and also has no magnetic field to protect it.
I guess astrophysicists really can have it both ways...
New research discounts Mars ocean evidenceIn a paper published in Thursday's issue of the journal Nature, planetary scientists at the University of Arizona and MIT said that features in images of the planet previously thought to be remains of ancient shorelines are more likely linked to the planet's volcanoes. Paul Withers of the University of Arizona and Gregory Neumann of MIT decided to reexamine the MOLA data for some of the paleoshoreline features identified in the earlier work. They found, though, a closer correlation between the features and tectonic activity than any processes related to the formation of shorelines. According to Withers, the key piece of evidence was the terraces identified in the earlier study. Instead, those features are more likely tectonic stress ridges created by massive volcanism earlier in the planet's history.
by Jeff Foust
April 7 2001
SpaceFlightNowNASA Finds Red Planet Is Rich In Green GemLarge outcrops of a gemstone mineral commonly used in jewellery have been found on Mars, scientists said yesterday. On Earth the mineral, olivine, takes the form of the brilliant green gemstone peridot. An instrument aboard a Nasa spacecraft spotted an area of nearly 19,000 square miles rich in olivine in the Nili Fossae region of Mars. It is thought that the broken nature of the ground at Nili Fossae may be linked to the Isidis impact basin, formed long ago by an asteroid or comet. On Earth, exposed olivine weathers and breaks down quickly because of the planet's relatively warm, wet weather. If the mineral has been there since early in the planet's history, it would mean the planet has been cold and dry for most of its life.
Telegraph (UK)
10-24-2003NASA Gets A Good Look At Mars Soil And A True PuzzleIt's difficult to imagine life surviving now in the barren landscape around the rover--though mission planners have said one goal of the robotic Mars expeditions is to scout out possible landing sites in case the U.S. ever sends astronauts to Mars...The sticky-looking soil may be the first true puzzle of the mission, scientists said. Technicians believe the probe's landing airbags disturbed the dirt near the rover when they retracted back under the craft, soon after the landing. The dirt that was dragged by the airbags now looks oddly folded, almost as if it were damp clay... Researchers believe Martian soil in the rover's vicinity is bone-dry near the surface, adding to the mystery. Squyres said it's possible that moisture evaporating from below left a salty, cohesive crust at the surface.
by Jeremy Manier
1/07/2004Red planet's hue due to meteors, not water"There is something of a paradox about Mars," agrees Joshua Bandfield of Arizona State University in Tempe. His team recently showed that the planet has no large deposits of carbonates, which should have formed if giant pools of water had persisted on the surface. Bandfield suggests that liquid water must have occasionally burst out of the ground, carving channels and gullies, but that it quickly froze again in the frigid Martian climate.
by Hazel Muir
12/21/2006New Data Suggest Mars Soil Not As Life-Friendly As ThoughtTwo samples analyzed within the last month by Phoenix's Microscopy, Electrochemistry and Conductivity Analyzer (MECA) suggest that the Martian dirt may contain perchlorate, a highly oxidizing substance, which would create a harsh environment for any potential life. The findings stand against the results from MECA's first analysis, which indicated the dirt was Earth-like in certain respects, including its pH and the presence of certain minerals. "Initial MECA analyses suggested Earth-like soil. Further analysis has revealed un-Earthlike aspects of the soil chemistry," said Phoenix principal investigator Peter Smith.
by Andrea Thompson
8/04/2008Carbonates Found On Mars Adds To MysterySurveying intact bedrock layers with the Compact Reconnaissance Imaging Spectrometer for Mars, or CRISM, scientists found carbonate minerals, indicating that Mars had neutral to alkaline water when the minerals formed at these locations more than 3.6 billion years ago. Carbonates, which on Earth include limestone and chalk, dissolve quickly in acid. Therefore, their survival until today on Mars challenges suggestions that an exclusively acidic environment later dominated the planet. Instead, it indicates that different types of watery environments existed. The greater the variety of wet environments, the greater the chances one or more of them may have supported life.
Scientific Blogging
12/26/2008Mars 'remains in embryonic state'Mars formed in record time, growing to its present size in a mere three million years, much quicker than scientists previously thought. Its rapid formation could explain why the Red Planet is about one tenth the mass of Earth. The study supports a 20-year-old theory that Mars remained small because it avoided collisions with planetary building material... Scientists believe that the planets grew from material pulled together by electrostatic charges - the same force that's behind the "dust bunnies" under your bed. These proto-planetary dust balls grew and grew until they formed what scientists term "embryo" planets. These rocky masses were large enough to exert a considerable gravitational force on surrounding material, including other nascent planets.
by Jennifer Carpenter
5/27/2011Clay Deposits Don't Prove Existence of Ancient Martian LakesA research team led by Alain Meunier of the Université de Poitiers in France studied lavas containing iron and magnesium -- similar to ancient clays identified on the surface of Mars -- in the French Polynesian atoll of Moruroa. The team's findings show that the same types of clay outcrops can be caused by the solidifying of water-rich magma in a volcanic environment, and don't require Earthlike aquatic conditions at all. The results also correlate to the deuterium-to-hydrogen (D/H) ratio within clays found in Martian meteorites... Additionally, the clay deposits found on Mars can be several hundred meters thick, which seems to be more indicative of upwelling magma than interactions with water.
by Jason Major
September 10, 2012
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