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To: C19fan

Actually, the critical and foundational American document is not the constitution, that is the format of our government and while it is a unique example of checks and balances and of representational republican ideology, what truly is ground breaking and exciting is the American Declaration of Independence.

Whereas the constitution represents the mechanics, the how if you will the DOI declares the Right to claim Liberty and Independence to form one people’s own safeguards for that liberty, and even extends the Right further-to declare that those same people indeed have the right and responsibility to safeguard their liberty even to the point of throwing off the one they created if and when it fails to protect that which was sacred to them in the beginning-Liberty. Government exists only to protect the Rights, Privileges and Immunities of the people who empower it. Any time when those key principles of government are being voided, then the people themselves, in whom all civil power is vested, have the duty to correct the azimuth or even to throw off these methods and set new ones. Radical Huh?

Of course, the Founders recognized that some groups would perhaps see the need to reorganize earlier and for less than necessary reasons- so they described in detail how a long train of abuses and usurpation had to be addressed and then and only then, if redress failed and the only logical conclusion was the removal of the rights of the people to govern through representative republican methods, then revolution, the throwing off of those parameters and methods and safeguard and the establishment of new ones was appropriate.

I daresay that we are not there- sure, there are groups within our “posse comitatus” that want to throw off everything, there always ahs been and always will be the extreme fringes, but for light and transient reasons; the course is held.
We enjoy elected representation, our officers appoint and bodies politic advise and consent and due process is carried out, with groaning and failings for certain, but until our local state and federal legislatures are dissolved, and judges and executives self appointed and we have descended into near complete tranny, we must operate within the context of the constitutional framework- the methods selected and ratified by the people, modifying it via lawful means (laws and amendments) as we see fit and appropriate.

Vote, Write, Speak, adjure and cajole if need be, but do not accept the false premise that the ship is sinking and all we are doing is rearranging the deck chairs.

God Bless the American People, the most generous, long suffering, freedom loving and fierce people on the face of the earth.


24 posted on 09/07/2018 6:49:01 AM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: Manly Warrior; C19fan
>>But until... we have descended into near complete tranny, we must operate within the context of the constitutional framework”<<

Has California reached this point yet? ;)

50 posted on 09/07/2018 8:49:10 AM PDT by nvskibum
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To: Manly Warrior
Vote, Write, Speak, adjure and cajole if need be, but do not accept the false premise that the ship is sinking and all we are doing is rearranging the deck chairs.
God Bless the American People, the most generous, long suffering, freedom loving and fierce people on the face of the earth.

The Founding Fathers were incapable of imagining that in the future we could be dealing with ignorant, irrational, or even unreasonable citizens.

Incompetents today can't grasp the difference between "the people" as the original citizens of the United States, not every individual in the entire world.

Similarly, the founding Fathers were incapable of imagining that the "citizens" of the future could or would embrace koranimals as a religion, with all Constitutional rights and protections.
Just to list two of dozens of insane examples. Actions by a clueless public, incompetent Legislators and even tribal and pervert politics by Supreme Court Justices.

61 posted on 09/07/2018 12:35:07 PM PDT by publius911 (Rule by Fiat-Obama's a Phone and a Pen)
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