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Does The ATF Have a List of Guns that You Own?
Gun Owners of America ^ | Feb. 13, 2020 | Alan M. Rice

Posted on 04/17/2021 2:44:40 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo

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To: qaz123

“Even in France with the Yellow Vest protests. Are the cops completely blin to what is happening to their country.”

Back when employees were all trained to use the fire extinguisher there was a fire in my lab. It started small with several men present and an extinguisher on the wall nearby. They all ran out of the room. I asked why none of them had used the extinguisher. The answer? Variations of...”Uhm, nobody told me to.” Now, I reiterate, we had all been trained.

My conclusion is that most people are beta types. They wait for leadership. And, a further problem, cops have pensions to protect. Getting fired will lead to pension loss and probably bleak employment possibilities in the future. Not to mention the wife saying, “You did what?! Are you an idiot?!” People’s motivations are complex and personal.

To be a revolutionary you either have to be extremely patriotic, like the founding fathers, many of whom lost everything. Or, you have to have nothing and anything you do is likely to improve your lot. Cops have just enough invested in the way things are that they can accept a few idiotic government edicts. And, not pissing off the wife is a prime motivator. I have known several men who lost their job and ended up divorced as a result.


81 posted on 04/18/2021 4:02:48 AM PDT by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud? )
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To: MacNaughton
Thank you for the good read.

The conclusion is that most of us know how well the ATF&E and FBI follow laws...They do not.

82 posted on 04/18/2021 7:34:38 AM PDT by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, chances will be taken that's for sure.)
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To: Gen.Blather

Variations of...”Uhm, nobody told me to.” Now, I reiterate, we had all been trained......That is awesome.

But you make some great points. I used to be in law enforcement and you’re 100% right. Cops, no matter how much they bitch to everyone about the money they make, for the most part can make a very good living. Very good in some cases. With the right amount of overtime or authorized off-duty work, I know many that are making 6-figures. Big houses and brand new cars every few years. So, to your point, when the wife does say...WTF?...there’s a reason for it.

Granted, in some parts of the country, there are some that are making peanuts, but even in some of those places they’re doing ok.

Now some on here will automatically jump on me for “you don’t know what it’s like”. I do, although things have changed dramatically from when I was doing it, after leaving the job in 2007.

As for the revolutionary, again, you’re correct. But, I’d also throw in there, someone that is kind of above it all, so to speak. Someone that is elevated enough that they’re kind of untouchable, in a way. Someone that can have a rally where thousands show up the day before, just for a chance to get into the venue to see that person.

At the end of the day, I think what stops almost all of this Harris/CornPop nonsense(and to think we’re only a few months in) is the Red States standing ‘shoulder to shoulder’ as one and saying.....NOPE, not gonna happen. The Red States have all the oil, farms, food, guys with guns, etc etc etc. They have their own ports, refineries and pipelines. They don’t need to be afraid of Uncle Sam. In fact it’s the other way around. Uncle Sam threatens to take away money. Ok. We’ll stop sending it. And if the IRS, should happen to come calling, then our sheriffs will promptly escort them out of the county.


83 posted on 04/18/2021 9:12:32 AM PDT by qaz123
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Just by typing that phrase you have confirmed to an AI program that you are indeed a gun owner. The rest is academic... they don’t even need a database... they can mine your meta data... ever taken a picture holding your gun? bought ammo on a credit card? brought your cell phone to the gun range? Ordered gun cleaner from Brownell’s? Googled long range optics? It is my belief that we are so far past them even needing a database.


84 posted on 04/18/2021 3:24:43 PM PDT by willyd (I for one welcome our NSA overlords)
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To: redgolum
If you have paid for anything with a debit or credit card, there is an electronic record of what you bought. With some good algorithms, they know what you have better than you do .

That’s a great point. The ATF don’t need to actually know what guns you have if it gets to the point of bans and confiscations. They merely know that you may have owned one at some point and there are a threat. No need for a warrant to know about purchasesat individual FFL’s, because your credit card data is easier to search.

85 posted on 04/18/2021 3:42:10 PM PDT by voicereason (The RNC is like the "one-night stand" you wish you could forget.)
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I suspect there will be much blood shed.


86 posted on 04/18/2021 3:51:05 PM PDT by evangmlw
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