Counter Viewpoint: What Can We Learn From Florida Midterm Results? That DeSantis Is Definitely The GOP's Man To Beat Trump And Neuter MAGA

Miami Independent ^ | November 29, 2022

[SoConPubbie]

What Ed Vidal refuses to acknowledge in his counterview article today is the massive cheating that obviously occurred nationwide in the midterm elections. Today, the absurd race in Arizona was certified by Maricopa County. Kari Lake did not lose; she was robbed. The whole world knows it. No serious person could say or think otherwise.

Exceptionally however, Florida was allowed (yes, I think that’s the right word) to go full “red wave”. DeSantis won by a massive margin, and even Rubio, who everyone thought was vulnerable, won by a country mile. And yet in almost every other state, the races were tight.

How come? Well, here, for what it’s worth, is my theory. To accept it, you have to accept that Congress is just elite theater, and that there really is a “Uniparty”. If you do, all will make sense.

The main thing the Uniparty leaders from both sides are completely united on is their absolute hatred of Trump. Of all the players on the US political stage, he has been the only one who has, not always successfully perhaps, refused to play the Uniparty game, and who has, moreover, tried to wake the electorate up to it. He is too wealthy to be bought, and apparently too clean to be blackmailed or successfully charged & convicted. They cannot control him, and he has given widespread life to a constitutionalist, America First patriot constituency -- the MAGA movement.

MAGA is a huge threat to the Uniparty. Its electoral success would upset the cosy congressional apple cart in all sorts of ways. It has proved as hard a nut to crack as Trump.

So, what to do? Well, the solution they’ve come up with to deal both with Trump and MAGA is to find and promote a Trump Lite challenger who could split the MAGA movement and stop a Trump nomination in 2024. Two birds, one stone.

That challenger is, of course, Ron DeSantis. He talks and acts like Trump, except that in key ways he does not, nor ever will. DeSantis, with his Ivy League background, is an establishment man. The Florida GOP and the wider Uniparty know it and trust him ultimately to deliver what they want to a degree they never will trust Trump.

His political promotion as the Trump Lite presidential candidate has involved giving him massive popular credentials as the undisputed leader of the reddest state in the Union (achieved with these elections results), and positioned him as the perfect candidate with popular support sufficient to fight Trump, and appeal to all those Trump supporters who wish he seemed nicer. This has undoubtedly been achieved with the complicity of the Uniparty Democrats, who have, unusually, refrained from applying their electoral cheating methods in full to the Florida races, despite all of us having been convinced that DeSantis & Florida must have a massive target on their metaphorical backs.

So now we can see the setup is almost complete. The likelihood of DeSantis running in ‘24 is virtually certain, and there’s very strong evidence that he will (knowing full well his doing so will badly damage the patriot cause). He has famously refused to commit himself to a full term as Governor, in response to Crist’s only significant question in their debate). He has a massive $150-200 million war chest, clearly intended for a presidential run, and obviously never spent on the primaries. And he will not run as VP on a Trump ticket, mainly (or at least ostensibly) because the 27 Florida Electoral College votes would then have to be forfeited. 

One burning question for those of us who have been campaigning for Election Integrity in general, but in Florida in particular, has for the last several months been -- “Why won’t DeSantis or the Florida GOP do anything at all substantive to address the election fraud problems we have clearly identified?” 

What measures have been taken have been almost risible -- legislation that has addressed some issues in ways that have created more ambiguity and render them only partially effective (eg: ballot harvesting provisions), the arrest of a very small number of felons, much vaunted in the media as a huge step forward, (when EI volunteers have identified hundreds who have yet even to be investigated), and the establishment with equal fanfare of the Office of Election Security and Crimes, which has so far proved largely toothless, and which still has no replacement for its deceased head, Peter Antonacci.

The DeSantis administration has been presented with credible evidence of hundreds of thousands of fake ballots being harvested at false addresses across the state. Nothing has been done to address the problem. The administration will not even acknowledge the issue.

Both the party and the Governor have seemed to us aligned in their resistance to efforts to persuade them to take action, which is only explicable if one thinks of them as aligned in other ways.

In my opinion, having observed all this at close quarters for months, the reason for this resistance can only be that the GOP and its Uniparty counterparts intend to cheat in the 2024 primaries to endure “their” man, DeSantis, beats Trump and splits the MAGA movement, the greatest popular threat to them in years.

The only person the Uniparty fears is Trump. They do not fear Ron DeSantis.

I do not dislike DeSantis. I dislike his lack of candor on fighting election fraud, and I dislike the monied, cabal interests supporting him.

The author is a Florida election integrity activist.

[Gene Eric]

>> What Can We Learn From Florida Midterm Results?

That election rigging was intentionally halted in FL? Like an Art of War type of thing...

[knarf]

which he won’t do . . . . he knows America needs Florida in the foreseeable future and Rod’s a died in the wool patriot

[Bullish]

You want to neuter MAGA? F*** you then.

[SoConPubbie]

which he won’t do . . . . he knows America needs Florida in the foreseeable future and Rod’s a died in the wool patriot

We'll see.

Some of his actions of late, and the people supporting him, are leading me to doubt just how much of a "Patriot" he is when it comes to MAGA.

[Freedom56v2]

Follow the money.
Follow the donors.

[Trump.Deplorable]

MAGA never existed, it was just another useless campaign slogan to get someone elected.

Once that happened, it was business as usual

No wall
Mask Mandates
PPP Money to the elites
businesses forced to shut down
government mandates
spending to oblivion

MAGA was no different then “Build back better”

[jmacusa]

Not to be a spelling Nazi but it’s ‘’dyed’’.

[jmacusa]

My sentiments exactly.

[knarf]

Damnit !

It IS, isn't it !?

Thanx for pointing that out

[ilgipper]

Bullcrap. Stop posting garbage from this website. Desantis is as good as we’ve ever seen. Anti establishment, pro individual, clean as any politician in decades. Best vote I’ve ever cast, without a close second. Growing tired very quickly of this stuff of FR. Not good.

[SoConPubbie]

MAGA never existed, it was just another useless campaign slogan to get someone elected.

Once that happened, it was business as usual

No wall

Boy are you a LIAR!

Trump's Immigration Achievements:

Administration Achievements

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ACHIEVING A SECURE BORDER

Secured the Southern Border of the United States

• Built over 400 miles of the world’s most robust and advanced border wall
• Illegal crossings have plummeted over 87 percent where the wall has been constructed
• Deployed nearly 5,000 troops to the Southern border. In addition, Mexico deployed tens of thousands of their own soldiers and national guardsmen to secure their side of the U.S.–Mexico border
• Ended the dangerous practice of Catch-and-Release, which means that instead of aliens getting released into the United States pending future hearings never to be seen again, they are detained pending removal, and then ultimately returned to their home countries
• Entered into three historic asylum cooperation agreements with Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala to stop asylum fraud and resettle illegal migrants in third-party nations pending their asylum applications
• Entered into a historic partnership with Mexico, referred to as the “Migrant Protection Protocols,” to safely return asylum-seekers to Mexico while awaiting hearings in the United States

Fully enforced the immigration laws of the United States

• Signed an executive order to strip discretionary Federal grant funding from deadly “sanctuary” cities
• Fully enforced and implemented statutorily authorized “expedited removal” of illegal aliens
• The Department of Justice prosecuted a record-breaking number of immigration-related crimes
• Used Section 243(d) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) to reduce the number of aliens coming from countries whose governments refuse to accept their nationals who were ordered removed from the United States
• Ended asylum fraud, shut down human smuggling traffickers, and solved the humanitarian crisis across the Western Hemisphere
• Suspended, via regulation, asylum for aliens who had skipped previous countries where they were eligible for asylum but opted to “forum shop” and continue to the United States
• Safeguarded migrant families, and protected migrant safety, by promulgating new regulations under the Flores Settlement Agreement
• Proposed regulations to end the practice of giving free work permits to illegal aliens lodging meritless asylum claims
• Issued “internal relocation” guidance
• Cross-trained United States Border Patrol agents to conduct credible fear screenings alongside United States Citizenship and Immigration Services adjudication personnel to reduce massive backlogs
• Streamlined and expedited the asylum hearing process through both the Prompt Asylum Claim Review (PACR) and the Humanitarian Asylum Review Process (HARP)
• Launched the Family Fraud Initiative to identify hundreds of individuals who were fraudulently presenting themselves as family units at the border—oftentimes by trafficking children—in order to protect child welfare
• Improved screening in countries with high overstay rates and reduced visa overstay rates in many of these countries
• Removed bureaucratic constraints on United States consular officers that reduced their ability to appropriately vet visa applicants
• Worked with Mexico and other regional partners to dismantle the human smuggling networks in our hemisphere that profit from human misery and fuel the border crisis by exploiting vulnerable populations

Secured our Nation’s immigration system against criminals and terrorists

• Instituted national security travel bans to keep out terrorists, jihadists, and violent extremists, and implemented a uniform security and information-sharing baseline that all nations must meet in order for their nationals to be able to travel and emigrate to the United States
• Suspended refugee resettlement from the world’s most dangerous and terror-afflicted regions
• Rebalanced refugee assistance to focus on overseas resettlement and burden-sharing
• 85 percent reduction in refugee resettlement
• Overhauled badly broken refugee security screening process
• Required the Department of State to consult with states and localities as part of the Federal government’s refugee resettlement process
• Issued strict sanctions on countries that have failed to take back their own nationals
• Established the National Vetting Center, which is the most advanced and comprehensive visa screening system anywhere in the world

Protected American workers and taxpayers

• Issued a comprehensive “public charge” regulation to ensure newcomers to the United States are financially self-sufficient and not reliant on welfare
• Created an enforcement mechanism for sponsor repayment, deeming to ensure that people who are presenting themselves as sponsors are actually responsible for sponsor obligations
• Issued regulations to combat the horrendous practice of “birth tourism”
• Issued a rule with the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) to make illegal aliens ineligible for public housing
• Issued directives requiring Federal agencies to hire United States workers first and prioritize the hiring of United States workers wherever possible
• Suspended the entry of low-wage workers that threaten American jobs
• Finalized new H-1B regulations to permanently end the displacement of United States workers and modify the administrative tools that are required for H-1B visa issuance
• Defended United States sovereignty by withdrawing from the United Nations’ Global Compact on Migration
• Suspended Employment Authorization Documents for aliens who arrive illegally between ports of entry and are ordered removed from the United States
• Restored integrity to the use of Temporary Protected Status (TPS) by strictly adhering to the statutory conditions required for TPS

[CFW]

https://amgreatness.com/2022/12/12/desantis-2024-is-a-trap/

Read the article above before you jump on the DeSantis for President bandwagon.

[SoConPubbie]

MAGA was no different then “Build back better”

Man are you DELUSIONAL!

Trump Administration Economy and Jobs Achievements:

Before the Coronavirus spread from China across the globe, President Trump helped America build its strongest economy in history. Median household incomes rose to their highest level ever in 2019, while the poverty rate hit an all-time low. Under the Trump Administration, more Americans were employed than ever before—160 million—and the unemployment rate fell to a 50-year low. The unemployment rates for African-Americans, Hispanic-Americans, and Americans without a high-school diploma all hit record lows, while the Trump “Blue-Collar Boom” saw wages grow faster for workers than for managers or supervisors.

After COVID-19 forced a temporary economic shutdown, President Trump signed the largest relief package in American history to protect workers and families from economic devastation. Under President Trump’s leadership, the American economy surged back to life within months, seeing record growth and job gains.

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The Blue-Collar, Middle-Class Trump Economy

The Blue-Collar, Middle-Class Trump Economy

Administration Achievements

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UNPRECEDENTED ECONOMIC BOOM

Before the Coronavirus invaded our shores, we built the world’s most prosperous economy

• America gained 7 million new jobs—more than three times government experts’ projections
• Middle-class family income increased nearly $6,000—more than five times the gains during the entire previous administration
• The unemployment rate reached 3.5 percent, the lowest in a half-century
• Achieved 40 months in a row with more job openings than job hirings
• More Americans reported being employed than ever before—nearly 160 million
• Jobless claims hit a nearly 50-year low
• The number of people claiming unemployment insurance as a share of the population hit its lowest level on record
• Incomes rose in every single metro area in the United States for the first time in nearly three decades

Delivered a future of greater promise and opportunity for citizens of all backgrounds

• Unemployment rates for African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Asian Americans, Native Americans, veterans, individuals with disabilities, and those without a high school diploma all reached record lows
• Unemployment for women hit its lowest rate in nearly 70 years
• Nearly 7 million people were lifted off of food stamps
• Poverty rates for African Americans and Hispanic Americans reached record lows
• Income inequality fell for two straight years—and by the largest amount in over a decade
• The bottom 50 percent of American households saw a 40 percent increase in net worth
• Wages rose fastest for low-income and blue-collar workers—a 16 percent pay increase
• African American homeownership increased from 41.7 percent to 46.4 percent

Brought jobs, factories, and industries back to the USA

• Created more than 1.2 million manufacturing and construction jobs
• Put in place policies to bring back supply chains from overseas
• Small business optimism broke a 35-year-old record in 2018

Hit record stock market numbers and record 401ks

• The DOW closed above 20,000 for the first time in 2017 and topped 30,000 in 2020
• The S&P 500 and NASDAQ have repeatedly notched record highs

Achieved a record-setting economic comeback by rejecting blanket lockdowns

• An October 2020 Gallup survey found 56 percent of Americans said they were better off now than four years ago, even in the midst of a global pandemic
• During the third quarter of 2020, the economy grew at a rate of 33.1 percent—the most rapid GDP growth ever recorded
• Since coronavirus lockdowns ended, the economy has added back over 12 million jobs, more than half the jobs lost
• Jobs have been recovered 23 times faster than the previous administration’s recovery
• Unemployment fell to 6.7 percent in November, from a pandemic peak of 14.7 percent in April—beating expectations of well over 10 percent unemployment through the end of 2020
• The 8 percentage point decline in the unemployment rate from April to November is the largest seven-month reduction ever recorded
• Under the previous administration, it took 49 months for the unemployment rate to fall from 10 percent to under 7 percent, compared to just 3 months for the Trump Administration
• Since April, the Hispanic unemployment rate has fallen by 10.5 percent, Asian-American unemployment by 7.8 percent, and Black-American unemployment by 6.4 percent
• 80 percent of small businesses are now open, up from just 53 percent in April
• Small business confidence hit a new high
• Homebuilder confidence reached an all-time high, and home sales hit their highest reading since December 2006
• Manufacturing optimism nearly doubled
• Household net worth rose $7.4 trillion in Q2 2020 to $112 trillion, an all-time high
• Home prices hit an all-time record high
• The United States rejected crippling lockdowns that crush the economy and inflict countless public health harms and instead safely reopened its economy
• Business confidence is higher in America than in any other G7 or European Union country
• Stabilized America’s financial markets with the establishment of a number of Treasury Department supported facilities at the Federal Reserve

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FAIR AND RECIPROCAL TRADE

Secured historic trade deals to defend American workers

• Immediately withdrew from the job-killing Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP)
• Ended the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), and replaced it with the brand new United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA)
• The USMCA contains powerful new protections for American manufacturers, auto-makers, farmers, dairy producers, and workers
• The USMCA is expected to generate over $68 billion in economic activity and potentially create over 550,000 new jobs over 10 years
• Signed an executive order making it government policy to Buy American and Hire American, and took action to stop the outsourcing of jobs overseas
• Negotiated with Japan to slash tariffs and open its market to $7 billion in American agricultural products while ending its ban on potatoes and lamb
• Over 90 percent of American agricultural exports to Japan now receive preferential treatment, and most are duty-free
• Negotiated another deal with Japan to boost $40 billion worth of digital trade
• Renegotiated the United States-Korea Free Trade Agreement, doubling the cap on imports of American vehicles and extending the American light truck tariff
• Reached a written, fully enforceable Phase One trade agreement with China on confronting pirated and counterfeit goods, as well as the protection of American ideas, trade secrets, patents, and trademarks
• China agreed to purchase an additional $200 billion worth of United States exports and opened market access for over 4,000 American facilities to exports while all tariffs remained in effect
• Achieved a mutual agreement with the European Union (EU) that addresses unfair trade practices and increases duty-free exports 180 percent to $420 million
• Secured a pledge from the EU to eliminate tariffs on American lobster—the first United States-European Union negotiated tariff reduction in over 20 years
• Scored a historic victory by overhauling the Universal Postal Union, whose outdated policies were undermining American workers and interests
• Engaged extensively with trade partners like the EU and Japan to advance reforms to the World Trade Organization (WTO)
• Issued a first-ever comprehensive report on the WTO Appellate Body’s failures to comply with WTO rules and interpret WTO agreements as written
• Blocked nominees to the WTO’s Appellate Body until WTO Members recognize and address longstanding issues with Appellate Body activism
• Submitted 5 papers to the WTO Committee on Agriculture to improve Members’ understanding of how trade policies are implemented, highlight areas for improved transparency, and encourage members to maintain up-to-date notifications on market access and domestic support

Took strong actions to confront unfair trade practices and put America First

• Imposed tariffs on hundreds of billions worth of Chinese goods to protect American jobs and stop China’s abuses under Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962 and Section 301 of the Trade Act of 1974
• Directed an all-of-government effort to halt and punish efforts by the Communist Party of China to steal and profit from American innovations and intellectual property
• Imposed tariffs on foreign aluminum and foreign steel to protect our vital industries and support our national security
• Approved tariffs on $1.8 billion in imports of washing machines and $8.5 billion in imports of solar panels
• Blocked illegal timber imports from Peru
• Took action against France for its digital services tax that unfairly targets American technology companies
• Launched investigations into digital services taxes that have been proposed or adopted by 10 other countries

[SoConPubbie]

Bullcrap. Stop posting garbage from this website. Desantis is as good as we’ve ever seen. Anti establishment, pro individual, clean as any politician in decades. Best vote I’ve ever cast, without a close second. Growing tired very quickly of this stuff of FR. Not good.

No, President Trump was and is better.

And if you think you are tired of hearing anything negative concerning DeSanctimonious, try reading posts like post #7 above and put yourself in the shoes of Trump supporters.

[robowombat]

This rag is a product of the Log Cabin Republicans. What can be learned from that?

[SoConPubbie]

This rag is a product of the Log Cabin Republicans. What can be learned from that?

OK, I'll bite. Prove it.

[BuddhaBrown]

"MAGA never existed...spending to oblivion..."

Exactly. Trump still brags about inflation-causing stimulus checks.

MAGA, the Greatness part anyway, is meaningless subjective rhetoric.

To a populist like Trump, you never know what Great will mean tomorrow. Gov Ron is a Freedom guy. Freedom is more objective than greatness. America is founded on Freedom, not greatness.

Greatness, in my book, does NOT include all those things you mention. Neither will it be found in Warp Speed TrumpSwampJabs, regardless how much The Don exaggerates their effectiveness and ignores their harms - thank God for Ron who is leading the charge against them.

[freepersup]

I got news for you punks- you're NOT neutering MAGA... MAGA- is going to neuter the GOP. The GOP are nails... and DJT is a GIGANTIC HAMMER!

[eyedigress]

You are an idiot to post such a statement.

Trump had the courage to expose the Deep State.

Nobody else did. Remember his top challenger?

The Deep State selection of JEB!

Give it a rest.