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CRE Storm? “Nobody Understands Where Bottom Is” For Commercial Real Estate (Fed STILL Slow To Remove Monetary Stimulus)
Confounded Interest ^ | 07/24/2023 | Anthony B. Sanders

Posted on 07/24/2023 3:43:34 PM PDT by Kaiser8408a

Where is the bottom for commercial real estate (CRE)?

Starwood Capital Group’s Barry Sternlicht recently told Bloomberg’s David Rubenstein about the ongoing crisis in the commercial real estate sector, equating it to a severe “Category 5 hurricane“. He cautioned, “It’s sort of a blackout hovering over the entire industry until we get some relief or some understanding of what the Fed’s going to do over the longer term.”

Currently, the biggest problem in the CRE space is sliding office and retail demand in downtown areas. Couple that with high-interest rates, and there’s a disaster lurking for building owners. According to Morgan Stanley, the elephant in the room is a massive debt maturity wall of CRE loans that totals $500 billion in 2024 and $2.5 trillion over the next five years.

Senior markets editor for Bloomberg, Michael Regan, chatted with John Fish, who is head of the construction firm Suffolk, chair of the Real Estate Roundtable think tank and former chairman of the board of the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston, in the What Goes Up podcast to discuss the biggest problems in the CRE market.

Fish warned that “capital markets nationally have frozen” and “nobody understands value.” He said, “We can’t evaluate price discovery because very few assets have traded during this period of time. Nobody understands where the bottom is.”

Beginning Of CRE Firesale? Baltimore Office Tower Dumped At 63% Discount CRE Panic Hits Baltimore As Second Office Tower Dumped At 69% Discount

Sooooo, Powell and The Fed will likely raise rates this week. And maybe a few more times over the next few months. And The Fed remains defiant about taking away the Covid monetary stimulus.

(Excerpt) Read more at confoundedinterest.net ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Food; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: biden; cre; fed; office
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WTF will The Fed do?????????????
1 posted on 07/24/2023 3:43:34 PM PDT by Kaiser8408a
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To: Kaiser8408a

I can help out here. The BOTTOM is when office space is cheap enough for developers to buy and convert to living quarters...and this price is based, in part, tied to the conditions of where the office is located. If located in “The City”, then the sales/rental price will be far lower than the suburbs, as the yuppies will not be nearly as willing to live there, as they were only several years ago, when violent felons were considered people that should be removed from society.


2 posted on 07/24/2023 3:48:49 PM PDT by BobL (Trump has all the right Enemies; DeSantis has all the wrong Friends)
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WTF will The Fed do?????????????

Not much. The CRE situation is just one facet of the looming apocalypse:

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=249340

Nobody does rant like Denninger, but he's usually right.

3 posted on 07/24/2023 3:49:10 PM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: Kaiser8408a

Let them crash.

They knew the risks.


4 posted on 07/24/2023 3:49:10 PM PDT by Round Earther
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To: Kaiser8408a

The largest banks, about which the Fed is concerned, probably will have less exposure to city-specific commercial real-estate. And if they do, the Fed will make sure there’s a dozen programs available to bail them out.

The same can not be said for local or medium size banks.

If one of them gets into trouble, the Federal Reserve will be there to help them buy up the assets for pennies on the dollar.

Just look at JP Morgan’s buy-out of First Republic. 80% of losses were guaranteed by Fed.gov (ironically, not the Federal Reserve)

It pays to be a member of America’s oligarchy.


5 posted on 07/24/2023 3:51:00 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Kaiser8408a

Good question. At least with the housing crisis there were buyers available. With CRE, who knows? Maybe a use change coming up?


6 posted on 07/24/2023 3:51:29 PM PDT by griswold3 (Truth, Beauty and Goodness )
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To: Round Earther

Imagine all the pension funds and insurance companies etc invested in CRE go8ng down the tubes with them.


7 posted on 07/24/2023 3:53:30 PM PDT by griswold3 (Truth, Beauty and Goodness )
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To: griswold3

Your 401 will take a hit but that will be made up in other sectors.


8 posted on 07/24/2023 3:54:52 PM PDT by Round Earther
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To: PGR88

Losses? They’re making tons of money on that deal.


9 posted on 07/24/2023 3:55:17 PM PDT by proxy_user
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The bank’s losses ...


10 posted on 07/24/2023 4:17:35 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Kaiser8408a

11 posted on 07/24/2023 4:42:30 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (It's not a government. It's a criminal enterprise. Fear it, but do not respect it.)
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To: Kaiser8408a

Why not put all the illegal aliens and “refugees” currently getting “free” housing from the Feds that is exploding home prices into these buildings?


12 posted on 07/24/2023 4:46:54 PM PDT by montag813
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To: BobL

Some people moved to the city center so they could sleep in and walk to their jobs. If the jobs are remote that attraction goes away. There are still folks that like walking to the bars .


13 posted on 07/24/2023 4:47:14 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Kaiser8408a

The three essential rules of real estate haven’t died. Commercial spaces are still being built. They are just not being built where there is crime, homelessness, high taxes and poo on the sidewalks.


14 posted on 07/24/2023 4:54:15 PM PDT by lurk (u)
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The FED is doing precisely what their charter says they should do.

They are responding to the war on fossil fuel and American Recvery Act and Inflation Reduction Act. Those 3 actions of Biden caused this inflation. Biden is to blame, not the Fed.

Th Fed is just trying to minimize the damage from Biden’s actions. Blame Biden.


15 posted on 07/24/2023 4:57:50 PM PDT by spintreebob (ki .h g)
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The FED is doing precisely what their charter says they should do.

They are responding to the war on fossil fuel and American Recvery Act and Inflation Reduction Act. Those 3 actions of Biden caused this inflation. Biden is to blame, not the Fed.

Th Fed is just trying to minimize the damage from Biden’s actions. Blame Biden.


16 posted on 07/24/2023 4:58:13 PM PDT by spintreebob (ki .h g)
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To: PAR35

“Some people moved to the city center so they could sleep in and walk to their jobs. If the jobs are remote that attraction goes away. There are still folks that like walking to the bars .”

Agree, there will always be some market for condensing people together...just not enough to support nearly as many people as was the case when conditions were good (pre-pandemic, and relatively safe).


17 posted on 07/24/2023 5:24:46 PM PDT by BobL (Trump has all the right Enemies; DeSantis has all the wrong Friends)
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To: Kaiser8408a

Government will expand to fill the space available.


18 posted on 07/24/2023 5:30:08 PM PDT by bigbob (Q)
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To: Kaiser8408a

One more factor: huge writedowns of real estate will lead to reduced income tax liabilities for the companies involved.


19 posted on 07/24/2023 5:57:10 PM PDT by Bernard ("No matter where you go, there you are." (Buckaroo Banzai))
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To: Kaiser8408a

It is fairly cheap to convert office space to very large apartments.

It is not cheap to convert office space to many small apartments.

Prime residential space might quite often go for around $300/square foot in a major city, but it can go for over three times that in some places.

SOHO industrial space was very affordable when converted to residential about six decades ago.


20 posted on 07/24/2023 6:35:56 PM PDT by Brian Griffin (“Miserably inadequate” people generally vote Democratic.)
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