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Ukraine ping

Minority Republican: [Trump will figure out and develop a plan by giving somebody like Elon Musk a contract to build all the drones for Ukraine.

Trump knows that the MIC is not interested in the war ending soon so he will sidestep the bureaucracy in the MIC.]


It takes many years to develop new weaponry. Musk has zero experience in that field and no one knows if he would be any good. What if Tesla EVs had to deal with other vehicles on the road trying to destroy it? That’s a level of mutual adaptation non-defense companies never have to deal with.

What Ukraine needs is jet fighters in quantity. Hand over hundreds, and the availability for all kinds of strike missions would go through the roof. Strike fighters are essentially a fire brigade asset. A hot sector where you’re warding off an enemy advance or trying to advance against the enemy can benefit from judiciously employed air strikes.

Part of the recent Russian successes come from Putin’s decision to use his strike fighters more aggressively. He is losing a dozen top of the line fighters monthly, but making some gains. Ukraine needs fighters to conduct similar air strikes against Russian positions.

Footage released by both sides exaggerates the impact of drones. Only 10% successfully hit their targets, and the impact is limited, due the payload being limited to under 20lb pounds of HE. Whereas even the smallest air-dropped bomb holds 250 lbs of explosive material.


55 posted on 05/12/2024 7:25:06 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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To: Zhang Fei
Musk has zero experience in that field and no one knows if he would be any good.

This dude builds rockets for a living.

56 posted on 05/12/2024 7:26:53 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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There is room for development of cheap, mass produced drones with 200-500 kg payload capacity

That will be a real game changer, as it will tilt the playing field towards players with massive manufacturing capabilities like China


57 posted on 05/12/2024 7:32:21 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Either you will rule. Or you will be ruled. There is no other choice.)
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It takes many years to develop new weaponry. Musk has zero experience in that field

The Ukrainians made great strides in an informal environment. Musk’s major talent is recognizing smart people, giving them resources, and letting them run with it.

60 posted on 05/12/2024 8:12:38 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Either you will rule. Or you will be ruled. There is no other choice.)
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To: Zhang Fei
What Ukraine needs is jet fighters in quantity. Hand over hundreds, and the availability for all kinds of strike missions would go through the roof.

Jet fighters are nice. But that is not going to work for Ukraine in this war.

The Russians will just bomb all the bases that the Ukrainians have parked their jets.

Then what?

The Russians are destroying Ukraine's infrastructure.

Drones are the way to go. You can mass produce the drones cheaply. And it's easier to hide the drones so the Russians can't bomb them.

The Ukrainians are bombing the oil refineries in Russia right now. That's smart because they are trying to stop Putin from funding his war machine. You do that by taking out his oil infrastructure.

62 posted on 05/12/2024 8:21:22 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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