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To: HawkeyeLonewolf
"Ah, you keep missing the point. We know the rate of nuclear decay NOW. We do not know the rate of nuclear decay 200 years ago, 1000 years ago, 5000 years ago. "

So you're saying physics and math did NOT apply before we discovered them. That before Newton had that moment of realization, that gravity was simply a matter of the mind? It's a Logarithm

"You do not see the Bible as 100% Divinely inspired."

Ah, so here it is. You feel that "inspired" is as good as "infallible." Cubists are "inspired" to make the paintings they do. That doesn't make them "Truth", that makes them one person's version of "Truth".

"You're almost worse, as you pick and choose which parts are true."

Tell that to the people who put together the Canon Bible. They selected from hundreds of different texts to put it together, that's what the Dead Sea Scrolls are!

Inspired by God, YES! But authored AND edited by Flesh and Blood!

"Every last piece. Belief in Creation is NOT, as you seem to think, disbelief in Science itself. On the contrary."

I believe full well in the Creation. I simply happen to feel God may have dumbed it down (or someone did) for us mortals. Life CANNOT exist without God, no dispute. However, Humanity CANNOT reproduce without both men and women. Where is Cain's sister(s)? Didn't he lay with another woman in the wilderness? Where did she come from? Why are her origins a shroud? Why are we finding so many people (corpses) from this time, if only a few near perfect humans walked the Earth then? Why did a new species of grass come into existance from an unknown source around the same time the agricultural revolution began? It testafies grain was BEFORE 8000 B.C. And BTW, as for the old Earth crowd having to change their stance several time: you know the Hebrew calendar is said to be from the the Begining. According to it, we are 5764 years into existance. You can be quoted as saying "between 5 and 10 thousand" Which is it?
58 posted on 09/09/2004 8:45:15 PM PDT by MacDorcha
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To: MacDorcha

"So you're saying physics and math did NOT apply before we discovered them. That before Newton had that moment of realization, that gravity was simply a matter of the mind? It's a Logarithm"

You don't read well do you? I've never said anything approaching what you just said. I simply pointed out the fact that we do not know what the RATE OF NUCLEAR DECAY WAS at any point before it was observed. If I drive from home to work at 70 MPH and then you observe me in the parking lot going 15 MPH, you cannot say what my speed was prior to observation.

Physics and math have not been dimissed at all -- only the values so-called scientists uses for their calculations -- not the calculations themselves. Please pay attention.

"You feel that "inspired" is as good as "infallible.""

The Bible *IS* infallible in the original texts, yes. Moses or Paul or any of the other authors did not write a word that God did not want included. God is the ultimate Author of Scripture.

"Tell that to the people who put together the Canon Bible. They selected from hundreds of different texts to put it together, that's what the Dead Sea Scrolls are!"

What???? The Dead Sea Scrolls are copies of texts that validated the Bible. There were other books and works in there, but those were rejected due to the strict tests placed upon each work. The 66 books we have are God's Holy Word.

"I simply happen to feel God may have dumbed it down (or someone did) for us mortals."

Then you are at odds with God's Word.

I failed to correct you on this point before, but God CANNOT lie. Lying is sin and God cannot sin.

Psalm 119:60 "The entirety of Your word is truth" ENTIRETY. ALL OF IT. If God "dumbed down" His creation as you say, then He is lying and His word is not truth. Sorry, but the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob is not that weak. You're imposing human characteristics and flaws onto God.

"However, Humanity CANNOT reproduce without both men and women. "

Finally, you get something right.

"Where is Cain's sister(s)?"

The children of Adam and Eve intermarried -- brothers and sisters. Cain took his wife and family with him into the wilderness (pretty obvious). The story of Cain and Abel is inserted before the genealogies are explained. This does not in anyway mean it happened before the rest of the family was born.

There was no prohibition against incest for many generations.

"Why are we finding so many people (corpses) from this time, if only a few near perfect humans walked the Earth then?"

They all descended from Adam and Eve. Who said it was a few anyway? They were fruitful and multiplied.

"Why did a new species of grass come into existance from an unknown source around the same time the agricultural revolution began? It testafies grain was BEFORE 8000 B.C."

#1, I'd have to see your source, but #2, dating methods have been proven flawed.

"According to it, we are 5764 years into existance. You can be quoted as saying "between 5 and 10 thousand" Which is it?"

In case you didn't notice, 5764 *IS* between 5 and 10 thousand.


59 posted on 09/09/2004 9:05:02 PM PDT by HawkeyeLonewolf (Christian First, American Second (Conservative Anti-Smoker))
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