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Vanity Post (but aren't they all?) on Duke
n/a | May 27, 2006 | Zaxxon

Posted on 05/27/2006 8:25:14 AM PDT by zaxxon

Freepers,

I've probably posted more stories than anyone on the Duke Lacrosse case for one reason: This thing scares the hell out of me.

To think that anyone can be indicted by a grand jury in the United States and face a rape/kidnapping prison trial based SOLELY on the word of a drunk, mentally-unstable hooker with no DNA evidence, no physical evidence, no eyewitnesses, and multiple conflicting versions of the complainant's own testimony is terrifying. Factor in ATM receipts, digital photos, 3rd party testimony supporting the accused, and a previous (unfounded) gang-rape complaint by the accuser and this trial reaches the realm of "unworldly."

This is no longer just about a "bad case" or an "overzealous prosecutor."

This is a Twilight Zone episode.

I appreciate your time.


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To: Anti-Bubba182
but it is an object lesson to those who want to sleeze with strippers at the frat house.

So it is your considered opinion:

1. Only strippers ever falsely call rape.

2. One could not invite a young woman over from a Bible reading and have her falsely call rape?

3. The police are more likely to discount the claim of rape of the young woman from your church you invited over for a Bible reading than a stripper?

4. Stripper's perceive they are more believable to the police than women who regularly go to church.

The reality is that despite FR "vice squad" going "tut, tut," the Duke lacrosse players probably were engaged that night in the single behavior least likely to have a false claim of rape made against them, least likely for a reasonable police investigation to make a referal to the DA and least likely to have a DA think he had a case that he could prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

So if you think about it, if you are seeking to avoid false charges of rape, hiring a stripper is maybe the best strategy to follow. These guys were just very unlucky that their school threw them under the bus and the DA found them useful in his reelection campaign.
41 posted on 05/28/2006 11:23:02 AM PDT by JLS
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To: zaxxon

I agree - any one of us could be the next victim of the DA - I just wonder what the recourse could be on this. Can the DA be effectively sued?

It's my understanding that everything, at this point, discovery wise, must be in the hands of the defense team and they would be hard pressed to be out there lying about what is or is not there. I just don't get it.

Also, the black/white part is really disburbing if that has anything to do with the DA moving forward. I'd say that that would be racism - with the DA the racist.


42 posted on 05/28/2006 11:30:55 AM PDT by Sonora
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To: Anti-Bubba182
As JLS so eloquently put it, this case has nothing to do with stripping. This case has everything to do with false allegations, race baiting, politics, and lies. This isn't about frat boys, this is about a woman falsely yelling rape and taking down a team, University, city and herself. If you think false allegations against another with a corrupt self serving DA to indict people without evidence happens only to "frat boys" you're nuts!
43 posted on 05/28/2006 2:21:44 PM PDT by Neverforget01 (Proud enemy of the DBM)
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To: Neverforget01

BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


44 posted on 05/28/2006 5:48:23 PM PDT by Hogeye13
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To: zaxxon
We had the "unedited tape" of our son's accuser making her plans against our son, and neither the police or the prosecutor would take it into consideration. We had over 75 witnesses to her plans to lie. We had a witness 18" away from the two of them and my son was still arrested. It makes no difference whether you can prove you were in no way involved. There's something very wrong with our legal system -- very, very wrong. Anytime someone can play the race card and go this far is beyond reason. It cost our family everything we had--our pension, our savings and his scholarship. To thing my family gave everything to establish this nation, and this is the crap we have to live with is beyond endurance.
45 posted on 05/28/2006 7:36:38 PM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: Constitutions Grandchild

"To thing" should read, "To think...". Sorry/


46 posted on 05/28/2006 7:38:20 PM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: zaxxon
I share your concern.

To think that anyone can be indicted by a grand jury in the United States and face a rape/kidnapping prison trial based SOLELY on the word of a drunk, mentally-unstable hooker with no DNA evidence, no physical evidence, no eyewitnesses, and multiple conflicting versions of the complainant's own testimony is terrifying. Factor in ATM receipts, digital photos, 3rd party testimony supporting the accused, and a previous (unfounded) gang-rape complaint by the accuser and this trial reaches the realm of "unworldly."

This, like this, is what happened to some folks with black skin years ago, in some parts of the country. It was hidious then, it is hidious now.

The DA and Media turned this into a sweeps issue. It didn't have to be about race. But it was *made* to be about race. And by racialist hucksters.

The problem with bigotry is that the bigots themselves never see themselves as "bigots". They r-a-t-i-o-n-a-l-i-z-e their bigotry.

In the past 30 years I've witnessed countless men being treated, as the Duke Boys, by media and the courts. The Activist Courts. I've witnessed fathers' lives ruined by the Feminist Mafia and "special legalisms". We've all seen many others on "trial by the media" on mere her-say words.

The wheels of justice do grind, slowly, it seems, but indeed they do grind. In order for those wheels to keep on grinding each of us must always be paying attention to that something greater than ourselves. And this requires looking out and after others -- others whom we don't know. Being concerned for their wellbeing.

There've been families torn apart by activist courts and for simply home-schooling. These cases are just as hidious, Kangaroo courts, etc.

Zaxxon? The liberals utilize a strategy which I refer to as "reactionism." They then seek to control which ever group is then in ascendency as a result of the backlash to the initial problem instigated and grown by the Liberal Puppet Masters. This is why they brand people into groups; not as individuals but as "members of groups". Liberals strive to obtain and maintain power using a "tribalistic" approach to American politics. They worship the "gang" mentality.

They say they despise soldiers; but not when the American soldiers are under "liberal" control. They say they hate rich white people; but NOT when they are in charge of making laws to overtax them.

The brain-pan of a liberal is limited. Ergo, they must "manipulate" situations.

This is what went down in the Duke case: No brains required; just lots of "manipulation" by socialist liberals.

And it is this which galls the most -- their obvious attempts to manipulate -- Joe and Jane America.

To understand the liberal mind, here -- please understand that win or lose -- this case doesn't matter to liberals; what matters is that they won at "manipulating". They are control freaks. With little to no power over their own lives, and so they seek to manipulate the lives of others. This is cheap. It's slavery by another name. There is no honor in it at all.

And then there are the Duke boys, themselves, who no doubts in their quiet moments are asking: "Why me, Lord, why me?"

The Duke boys are innocent and will win their case. This is my considered opinion.

But do not forget, that even after they are exonerated, these "games of manipulation" by liberals will continue. It's not about the win or lose, it's about "manipulating" others.

Elections are very important matters. Character is an important matter. That the Durham folks "elected" Nifong says more about Durham than about Nifong.

Without their tactics of "tribal warfare", the liberals of have nothing to offer.

47 posted on 05/29/2006 4:57:43 AM PDT by Alia
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To: zaxxon

You are right. And if the races were reversed the case would have been dropped long ago.


48 posted on 05/29/2006 8:59:38 PM PDT by Michael2001 (Every man lives, and every man dies, but not every man truly lives)
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To: zaxxon

To think that anyone can be indicted by a grand jury in the United States and face a rape/kidnapping prison trial based SOLELY on the word of a drunk, mentally-unstable hooker with no DNA evidence, no physical evidence, no eyewitnesses, and multiple conflicting versions of the complainant's own testimony is terrifying. Factor in ATM receipts, digital photos, 3rd party testimony supporting the accused, and a previous (unfounded) gang-rape complaint by the accuser and this trial reaches the realm of "unworldly."

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I also agree with you but hopefully this case is pursued not by Liefong, but by the Defense Attorneys so this can never happen again.

Since we are all thinking the same thing - that this case is so unbelievable and in reality a pathetic sham, it should eventually go down in history as another Tawana. A strong message will be sent to other women that the justice system in America will not allow this kind of behavior on the part of the AV, the DA, and the entire corrupt Durham County. Unfortunately, this harsh lesson is to be learned at the expense of many innocent lives.

This case needs to go until the bitter end for the sake of these boys. The county, DA, etc. should be counter sued and/or brought up on charges for all of the alleged corruption, unethical and illegal behavior that has gone on with this case.

The outcome hopefully - The next time someone "cries wolf", nobody is gonna listen.


49 posted on 05/30/2006 9:33:35 AM PDT by FlowJo
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To: zaxxon
I saw that you posted this a couple of days ago and you expressed interest in the case so I thought you may find this editorial interesting.

Other 45 players go back to normal?

Our local conservative talk show host is now on the air talking about the hypocrisy in this editorial and the black Durham resident callers are raking him over the coals basically agreeing with the writer that these students deserve everything they get whether they did anything or not.

I predict we will have race riots here in NC before this thing is over.

MKM

50 posted on 05/31/2006 2:19:28 PM PDT by mykdsmom (We can NEVER out Democrat the Democrats!)
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To: kcar
"nifongery"

Do we have a new Freeper Phrase? I like it....describes when someone gets railroaded for a crime, before they are convicted of it....

51 posted on 06/06/2006 9:11:20 AM PDT by wbill
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To: wbill

Have a good time boys, but don't get nifonged.


52 posted on 06/06/2006 3:58:13 PM PDT by kcar
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