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Aren’t you going to tell us how we all evolved from a single cell and that we are nothing more than highly advanced animals and that there is no such thing as right and wrong and truth is relative and there is no God?

You're jumping to a whole lot of strange conclusions here. First, why can't evolution and God coexist? Second, what does the concept of right and wrong have to do with believing in God? Are you saying one can't have moral values if they aren't religious?

You're jumping to a whole lot of strange conclusions here. First, why can't evolution and God coexist? Second, what does the concept of right and wrong have to do with believing in God? Are you saying one can't have moral values if they aren't religious?

To save your asking, I'm not drunk either - nor do I consume any intoxicating substance.

But you're not answering Fichori's question.

Is it not true that you believe each of the following:

All life evolved from a single first cell;

Humans are not any different then any other mammal except they are far more advanced;

There is no such thing as universal right and wrong;

You're certain there is no God;

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The above questions are really simple enough -- and their answer doesn't need to be another question. A simple "Yes, No," will do nicely. The fact that you're reluctant to simply answer then says a lot about the answers. All the people I've talked to who believe in PNAFN (Purely Naturalistic All From Nothing) and ASBE (All Species By Evolution) take it on faith. Most of them don't even understand the technical specifics of AFN or ASBE, but just take it by faith - a faith in something they've never seen, and in people they've never met. And those who I've talked to who are highly educated on the topic still take it by faith, always hoping that one day some evidence will arise proving AFN and ASBE. But that's exactly what the religious folks do with their faith!

So the answers to the questions that Fichori asked are important when discussing science and evolution with somebody - worldview matters! For example, I've had Soliton telling me that immaterial lies are okay and that our society would collapse if we never lied. I asked him how he knew when a lie was material and immaterial but he wouldn't tell me, but I suspect that the difference is that an immaterial lie is one that the sayer believes that they can ultimately get away with. If someone claims to be an honest person, then maybe they are, maybe they aren't, but at least it's worth investigating. But if they right up front tell you that they lie and that lying is under some circumstances okay, then you know right off the bat that you probably can't trust a thing they say. So if it is true that you believe that all came from nothing and that there is no God and that there is no such thing as universal right and wrong, then you're going to have a hard time arguing that lying is always wrong for everybody.

So what one believes about the issues that Fichori asked is of interest when discussing science.

-Jesse

“You're jumping to a whole lot of strange conclusions here.” [excerpt]

Actually, I asked a question that was coherent to the Evolutionary Dogma.

“First, why can't evolution and God coexist? ” [excerpt]

Evolution claims that death and suffering have been a part of existence from the beginning.

The bible says that God's Creation was Good, and that through the free will of man, sin and death came into the world.

If Evolution is true and there was no fall, there is nothing to be redeemed from.

The reason they cannot coexist is because the are directly contradictory.

God says one thing, Evolution says the exact opposite.

“Second, what does the concept of right and wrong have to do with believing in God? ” [excerpt]

Well, the Democrats think they are doing whats right.

“Are you saying one can't have moral values if they aren't religious?” [excerpt]

Once again, take a look at the Democrat party.

Abortion isn't wrong to them.

I should point out, religion doesn't cut it.

Christ was actually against religion.

What he wants is a personal relationship.

Variation within species exists but should not be confused with evolution. The only instance of a creature having a change in form was the serpent and that was a result of being cursed. So change of form is actually a curse to an animal. Animals were made to reproduce *after their kind*.

Extrapolating that just because we see variation therefore evolution must be possible is unsubstantiated and somewhat unscientific. It may seem like a reasonable conclusion but for all the experiments done so far, nothing more than variation has occurred.

For those who believe God over man, there are also the statements in Scripture that God created different groups of animals in different acts of creation, as He did with man. He clearly tells us that man was created from the dust of the earth, not though any other means. When He created Eve, He clearly tells us that He used a different means (Adam’s rib). If He had made man from animals, I don’t see why He wouldn’t have simply stated that as He did in the creation of Eve. Not to mention plenty of other references to the creation of man by Jesus Himself.

Second, what does the concept of right and wrong have to do with believing in God?

That's where the concepts originated. It provides an unchanging standard by which to measure what is right and what is wrong.

Are you saying one can't have moral values if they aren't religious?

I don't think that he said that. It certainly is possible to have morals but they'll be borrowed morals or they'll be meaningless because they'll be situational.

For all the atheists try to demonstrate that one can be moral without believing in God, the morals they use and compare to originated from the Judeo-Christian teachings. Which I find somewhat ironic; that they should use the teachings of a god who they reject to *prove* that they can be as moral as the next guy.

First, why can't evolution and God coexist?

My first observation is that if this is true, then evolution IS intelligent design.

Secondly, watch 'Expelled, No Intelligence Allowed' by Ben Stein.

"First, why can't evolution and God coexist?"

Cuz God said evolution didn't happen in his word, more than 100 times, and thus evolution would make God a liar.