Bristol Palin Denies 'White Trash' Claim In Split With Fiancé Levi Johnston (MSM Barf)

The London Times ^ | 3/12/09 | Tim Reid

[lewisglad]

Sarah Palin’s teenage daughter angrily denounced reports today that she was to blame for breaking up with the father of her two-month-old son.

Bristol Palin, the daughter of last year’s controversial Republican vice-presidential candidate, responded after it emerged that she and her fiancé, Levi Johnston, had split up.

The story first emerged in the tabloid Star magazine, which quoted Mr Johnston’s sister Mercedes saying that Ms Palin and her mother were to blame for the break-up. The couple had been due to marry this summer.

“Levi tries to see Tripp every single day, but Bristol makes it nearly impossible,” Mercedes Johnston is quoted as saying.

“She tells him he can’t take the baby to our house because she doesn’t want him around ‘white trash’. The worst part, Ms Johnston tells the magazine, is that Governor Palin supports her daughter’s treatment of Mr Johnston.

Ms Palin said in a statement issued through her mother’s political action committee that she was devastated by the report in Star. “Unfortunately, my family has seen many people say and do things to ‘cash in’ on the Palin name. Sometimes that greed clouds good judgment and the truth.”

[Sudetenland]

This post of yours is a classic example of several points of view that show poor judgment. I’m glad a few FReepers have come on to let you know that.

I'll just let the numbers speak for themselves.

Down's SybdromeAt 25, a woman has about 1 chance in 1,250 of having a baby with Down syndrome; at age 30, a 1-in-1,000 chance; at age 35, a 1-in-400 chance; at age 40, a 1-in-100 chance; and at 45, a 1-in-30- chance.

Miscarriage — Only 9 percent of recognized pregnancies for women aged 20 to 24 end in miscarriage; 15 percent of women aged 25-30 miscarry; 40 percent of women over 40 do and more than 50 percent miscarry at 42 years of age.

Stillbirth — Occurs more often in women over age 35 than in women aged 20 to 35.

Low birth weight babies (weighing less than 5 1/2 lbs.) — Women over age 35 were 20 to 40 percent more likely than younger women to have a low birth weight baby, and 20 percent more likely to have a premature delivery.

Selfish behavior costs the child far more than it does the parent.

[Sudetenland]

Didn't call them an ass-as you imply-I said that their words were making them one. There is a difference. I am attacking their words. Compare the attacks that have been directed against me to the rather mild words I have used..."Palin-bots" and making "an ass" of oneself.

The thing most revealed here is the illogic of those who support Palin given her baggage and the hypocrisy of those who purport to be Conservatives yet are defending Bristol's and Sarah's respective behaviors. Either you believe in "family values" or you don't. It's kind of tough to call yourself a Conservative if you don't.

I'm sure that Bristol is a sweet young girl and that Sarah is quite nice...but I cannot condone or excuse their behavior because it stands foursquare against everything for which Conservatives have stood for decades.

Liberals condone and excuse poor moral behavior. Conservatives condemn it. Love the sinner, hate the sin.

[Jean S]

Selfish behavior costs the child far more than it does the parent.

Assuming your statistics are correct, what is your solution? Forced abortions? Government approval of all pregnancies?

You're one scary guy and I think you're posting on the wrong forum.

[publana]

No she doesn’t or she wouldn’t keep opening her mouth so that everyone knows.

[Jean S]

Didn't call them an ass-as you imply

You did, and I quoted you.

Look, it's obvious that you're anti-Palin and are using her daughter to trash her politically. That is ugly beyond belief.

So, what do you think of Palin's political positions?

[proudmilitarymrs]

Neither of those girls is Bristol Palin.

mrs

[publana]

Bravo!

[Sudetenland]

How about a little responsibility? Exercising a little care and taking preventive steps. Accidental pregnancies are exceptionally rare when efforts are made to prevent pregnancy...you know...obscure techniques like the pill-over 98% effective, a condom-over 98% effective, spermacides. They really are quite effective. Granted Sarah may be one of the rare exceptions, but combined with a little care, the likelihood of unplanned pregnancy is really miniscule. Adults are supposed to exercise a little self control and responsibility.

The rest of your rant is unworthy of response.

[publana]

Amazingly, it seems I am in before your zot.

[Jean S]

The rest of your rant is unworthy of response.

You are extremely rude but I will give you the benefit of the doubt and am pinging my sister to this thread. She's an RN and councils pregnant women.

Sis, I would appreciate your input on this.

[LucyJo]

Statement of Apology

The Hollywood Gossip would like to offer sincere apologies for mistakenly posting pictures of what we believed to be Bristol Palin Tuesday.

Several of our most trusted news sources erred on these photos as well. We regret the mistake and are sorry for any offense it caused anyone.

[Angel]

Yes, the pill is 98-99% effective, the condom only about 80% effective IF used correctly. Unfortunately, young adults don't take the pill every day at the same time, so it is less effective. As for condoms, they break, they may not be used every time, and often men put them on after they have released pre-ejaculate fluid that contains sperm.

At our Crisis Pregnancy Clinic, we have a lot of clients on the pill that get pregnant and even more that use condoms. That's why teaching "safe sex" is not effective.

[rintense]

Oh I have faith. But seeing the actions of some of the piranha conservatives here is making me lose some- faith in conservatives, that is.

[Sudetenland]

Talking about a 44 year old woman who became pregnant. I am aware of the stats for young adults. The question of judgment enters when Sarah Palin chose to become pregnant or simply was negligent. Either one speaks to her judgment.

BTW not that it would matter in the case of an adolescent, but the numbers I have seen as to the effectiveness of a condom used (as it always should) in conjunction with a spermacidal gel is 98% as well.

[NavyCanDo]

Unless theres something positive to post on the Palins can we vow to post nothing? There has been a flood of anti Palin stories on FR lately. 10 times more than on any leftist web site. At this very moment there are three separate stories in the current activity page. Falling right into the medias trap. Why? There are three things causing this flood of anti-Palin stories to be posted here.

1) Its the culture of the people today. They love scandal even if its about one of their own, which is why the stupid reality TV programs have a huge audience, and why these scandal post generate 200 to 300 replies or more. Eating our own for a little entertainment.

2) Could be someone who supported another Republican candidate that is jealous of the attention paid to Palin who shoved their candidate off the radar screen.

3) Trolls, trying to destroy Palin’s and the Republicans chances in 2012.

My question to the Freepers who said to themselves, “I just gotta post this on FR”, Which one are you? 1, 2, or 3? Think about it.

[Running On Empty]

In this post you sound like an echo of Obama-—to quote him-—If one of his girls make a mistake, he doesn’t think she should be “punished” with a baby.

Jean, you seem to know quite a bit more about the real facts regarding condoms and birth control pills. Thanks.

I was a counselor in Natural Family Planning for many years
and to be certificated we had to know a lot about all forms of artificial contraceptives. What’s more, we had to know a considerable amount human fertility—male and female.

Sudeten—you are very cavalier in your seminar approach to how to avoid accidental pregnancies. What is missing is all the important data about the contraindications and/or lack of effectiveness of various forms of contraceptives.

The way the full spectrum birth control pilll works not only can have some sobering side effects on the female body, but also can act —in full spectrum— as an early, silent abortifacient. That also has a negative side effect on the female body. There are also possible consequences for the baby that is conceived while the mother is taking the pill. For some reason, this is rarely made known.

Also, there are psychological consequences with the use of artificial contraceptives that people using and promoting them rarely fail to disclose or address realistically.

You have presented statistics on this thread. I could present hands-on anecdotal experience. I tend to place more value on my experience of many years than on the cold statistics.

“Adults are supposed to exercise a little self-control and responsibility”. I can assure you that using NFP is an exercise in both.

Since “accidents” can happen under any circumstance, the only proper response is to welcome and love that child.

You come across as a self-righteous, finger-pointing, intrusive and judgmental person...the kind that is always seeing what everyone else is doing wrong.

I’m a conservative myself and you don’t represent me or my core values in any way. And I would not resort to calling Bristol Palin a “tramp” as you have.

[Sudetenland]

"In this post you sound like an echo of Obama-—to quote him-—If one of his girls make a mistake, he doesn’t think she should be “punished” with a baby.

Strawman argument never said anything about "punished;"the question here is about parental responsibility (Sarah's) and judgment (again Sarah's). Either her family is very unlucky or she was negligent in one or both cases.

"Sudeten—you are very cavalier in your seminar approach to how to avoid accidental pregnancies. What is missing is all the important data about the contraindications and/or lack of effectiveness of various forms of contraceptives."

Abstinence does remain a 100% effective tool to prevent unwanted pregnancy. While it is true about the possible side effects of the pill, they have proven in a vast majority of cases to be safe and effective.

"Since “accidents” can happen under any circumstance, the only proper response is to welcome and love that child."

Another strawman argument...never said otherwise. Yes accidents happen and if they do, you make the best of it and raise the child with all the love and care it deserves, but they remain the exception; not the rule.

"You come across as a self-righteous, finger-pointing, intrusive and judgmental person...the kind that is always seeing what everyone else is doing wrong. I’m a conservative myself and you don’t represent me or my core values in any way. And I would not resort to calling Bristol Palin a “tramp” as you have."

That's your opinion and you are welcome to it. The fact remains if you claim to be a Conservative, then you must condemn immoral behavior.

Conservatism is not a cult of personality, it is a set of political and moral principles which we claim to support. No individual is greater than the ideal...hopefully we leave that to the Left and Obama. We Conservatives are supposed to judge candidates based on the philosophy they espouse and the example they set in living up to those principles. No one is perfect, but I don't believe that Sarah Palin is a good representative for those ideals. What kind of example does it set for America's children for the daughter of the President (should she get elected in 2012) to have been an un-wed mother?

My devotion is to a set of principles, not to Sarah Palin. The reaction of those who have so aggressively attacked me speaks of a cult of personality, not of Conservatism. It speaks of emotionally driven opinion, not of reasoned discourse. It is more suited to Liberal politics than Conservatism.

[GourmetDan]

"Most young folks end up with someone sooner or later ,but once they took the step to have a child together they owe it to their son to put away childish ways and think about their son."

Seems to me that would be good advice for Bristol. She's obviously trying to control her 'baby daddy'.

"I am not suggesting it’s all Levi’s fault either."

It's pretty easy to see who wants to be the boss of that new little family.

Wonder if somebody modeled that behavior for her or if she just comes by it naturally?

[Running On Empty]

I never once said I was for or against Sarah Palin.

I have addressed only the issue of the over-arching claims you made about women over 40 having children and your over-arching condemnation of an 18-year old girl and her mother.

Your assumption that I addressed it from a political approach is your own version of a straw man.

[MEGoody]

As for the rest, I never said she should stop having sex, but unexpected pregnancies in couples taking precautions are exceptionally rare...especially in women over 40.

Of course. So what's your point as regards Sarah having a baby at that age? You seem to be criticizing her - on what basis? And specifically, what SHOULD she have done?

You can make all of the excuses you choose

Excuses for what? I only asked what you thought she should have done about her pregnancy and about Bristol's, and I've challenged you to use your head and realize that kids don't always do what they have been taught.

but she is not the person I would have as President of the United States. She has demonstrated poor judgment repeatedly.

What other 'poor judgment' has she exhibited besides these two things, which you haven't really justified as being disqualifications for the Presidency? Give me some specifics regarding how she has governed.