[decimon]

Treadmill ping.

[ClearCase_guy]

Our data is off. We don’t know where we stand. We really have no idea what’s going on. All we can say for sure is that Cap and Trade is necessary, or we will all be dead in 7 years.

[americanophile]

"So it's going to be more difficult to measure these climate change signals in the deep ocean."

More difficult? You couldn't do it before...because you don't know what you're talking about. The Earth is such an impossibly complex system, that all your little models are like ancient maps of the Earth-centered universe. Curious, but baseless. Stop pushing your inadequate theories and climate fantasies as science.

[IbJensen]

Oh! Those poor polar bears and caribou!

Please don't destroy their pristine habitat by drilling for filthy oil!

[PC99]

Our friends at the Discovery Institute knew this all along - the existing model didn’t acknowledge the Almighty.

[TurtleUp]

Climate scientists are lost, but Al Gore is still right: “the science is settled”.

[tet68]

used a modeling program to simulate the launch and dispersal of more than 7,000 virtual “efloats” from the same starting point.

“That way we could send out many more floats than we can in real life, for a longer period of time,” Lozier said.

Subjecting those efloats to the same underwater dynamics as the real ones, the researchers then traced where they moved. “The spread of the model and the RAFOS float trajectories after two years is very similar,” they reported.

What? Using the same dynamics, did they expect them to be different? I cannot understand the rational of some of these scientists.

[TC Rider]

We still don’t know what we’re talking about, but everyone is still doomed!

DOOOOOMED!

[SunkenCiv]

The familiar model of Atlantic ocean currents that shows a discrete "conveyor belt" of deep, cold water flowing southward from the Labrador Sea is probably all wet. New research led by Duke University and the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution relied on an armada of sophisticated floats to show that much of this water, originating in the sea between Newfoundland and Greenland, is diverted generally eastward by the time it flows as far south as Massachusetts. From there it disburses to the depths in complex ways that are difficult to follow. A 50-year-old model of ocean currents had shown this southbound subsurface flow of cold water forming a continuous loop with the familiar northbound flow of warm water on the surface, called the Gulf Stream... And since cold Labrador seawater is thought to influence and perhaps moderate human-caused climate change, this finding may affect the work of global warming forecasters... Climatologists pay attention to the Labrador Sea because it is one of the starting points of a global circulation pattern that transports cold northern water south to make the tropics a little cooler and then returns warm water at the surface, via the Gulf Stream, to moderate temperatures of northern Europe.

Fascinating, no? There's a description of this new research (turns out it's the first *actual* research ever done on this) which shows that the former belief system is wrong. Then one major part of that discredited belief system is regurgitated. Media shills striking again.

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[colorado tanker]

And since cold Labrador seawater is thought to influence and perhaps moderate human-caused climate change, this finding may affect the work of global warming forecasters.

OK. So, the conveyor belt doesn't work like we thought? We've still had no warming for almost 10 years, regardless of how the system works.

[coconutt2000]

What happened to the good old days where a human sacrifice or two solved all of a society’s problems. Since the “planet huggers” are willing to sacrifice everything to save the planet, they should be asked to provide two volunteers.

[Sherman Logan]

Climatologists pay attention to the Labrador Sea because it is one of the starting points of a global circulation pattern

Now, that's a silly statement.

Someone point out to me the "starting point" of a convection pattern.

[dila813]

HAHA....start over

[Rocky]

Since the RAFOS float paths could only be tracked for two years, Lozier, her graduate student Stefan Gary, and German oceanographer Claus Boning also used a modeling program to simulate the launch and dispersal of more than 7,000 virtual "efloats" from the same starting point.

They could have gone all day without mentioning that. It sounds kooky. If the model predicted something other than what the real data showed, no mention of the model would have been made. Since the model predicts the same thing that the data show, we are left wondering how much they tinkered with the model to make it spit out the same answer as the real data. And does their ability to make the model give the right answer mean that the model includes all of the relevant factors, with all of the appropriate weighting? There's no way to tell.

Here's an example: You have a room full of pairs of people. You are told to develop a model that predicts the older person's age based on the younger person's age. You are told that in each pair the older person is twice the age of the younger person. You decide to collect some data. You talk to one pair. The younger person is 16, the older one is 32. You can now build your model: Take the younger person's age and add 16 to it. That will give you the older person's age. It worked for your sample, so your model must be right. And you tried it with 7,000 ecouples. It worked every time.