Beam me to Planet Gore !
Posted on 12/20/2010 3:05:33 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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Bill Jamison says:
Well we’re having a cold FALL, winter is yet to be determined! Thanks for the update, I was wondering when we’d see a new “prediction” from NASA updating their incorrect one. So far David Archibald’s predictions have been MUCH more accurate than almost everyone else’s. Pretty impressive so far but the jury is still out and it will be many years before we know for sure that he really nailed it.
We need to begin drillng immediately to get more energy. If it is a Dalton Minimum it is going to get cold.
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vukcevic says:
Dalton minimum winters (according to CETs) were not too bad. There was occasionally colder one, last winter was on par or even worse then those of 1805 -1810.
Detailed seasons CETs 1659-2010 (reference 1950) available here:
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/CET-D.htm
A Brrrrrrr Ping!
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David, UK says:
Robert M says:
December 20, 2010 at 12:46 am
I believe if there is a 2c drop it could be disaster for humanity especially if the warmies and watermelons get what they want and world governments are blindsided by the cold.
I am of the mind that we need to start seeing a significant drop in temperatures for the sake of humanity. For all the damage this would do (crops would suffer, millions would die of starvation and cold-related deaths) it would pale besides the damage our corrupt leaders and the UN would inflict on us. We have already seen deaths from starvation due to tax-subsidised farmers growing biofuel instead of food (pushing food prices through the roof). We have already seen masses of jobs lost as once-free businesses fail to compete with the tax-funded green industry. We have already seen energy bills sky-rocket. We have already seen an entire section of the population – i.e. those who know that scepticism in science is an essential element – stigmatised by our own political representatives as “climate deniers” (Gordon Brown used the term on many occasions during his short, unelected period in office, as does Obama, as do most of the unelected EU, as do most of the unelected UN). We have already seen Government-produced propaganda targeted towards children, designed to scare them and if necessary to turn them against their sceptical parents. This is showing no signs of stopping, despite the complete failure of alarmists to prove their corrupt hypothesis. If anything, the more evidence that mounts against them (i.e. that the recent warming is part of a natural cycle, and is nothing remotely unusual), the more totalitarian they become.
So again, I say bring on the cold.
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J.Gommers says:
The prediction is not consistent with the Livingston/Penn forecast. Four years from now the sunspotnumber will be around 10 and cycle 25 will be substantially weaker than cycle 24. Looks much different, more like a Maunder minimum.
But in medio 2011 there will be certainty.
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Bryan Farmer says:
I think one of the things you have to remember is the oceans hold allot of heat and solar cycle 22 & 23 were much higher than were seeing now, it takes time for some of that latent heat to be removed from the oceans. I think it will be the gradual step down over the next 10 or 20 years for the ocean’s to return to temps seen during the Dalton Min. We get to watch the great climate machine work through its natural pace, irrespective of what man’s little influence is to or climate.
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AusieDan says:
Sense Seeker
It’s been raining all over Australia, when it should be summertime dry.
And it’s been cold in Sydney when it should be hot, but there a chill in the air and snow in the hills.
I can’t remember this type of weather since the late 1940′s, which led to an extended period of cooler, wetter conditions, following the long drought of the 1930′s and early 1940′s.
At best, the 60 year cycle has turned and we’re in for 30 years of cooler weather.
At worst, the whole series of cycles is ending and we’re in for a much bleaker time. That will take a few years more before we can see which pattern prevails.
You speak of the influence of CO2.
Once you remove the true influence of UHI from the global indexes you will find no evidence of CO2 heating in the past 150 years of measured temperatures.
Watch and learn – either the temperature is about to accelerate according to the IPCC 4th report, or it is about to decline.
time will tell.
We live in interesting times.
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Frosty says:
vukcevic says:
December 20, 2010 at 1:41 am
Dalton minimum winters (according to CETs) were not too bad.”
I just picked a few examples starting at 1850, from this fascinating document….
A Chronological Listing of Early Weather Events – James A. Marusek
http://www.breadandbutterscience.com/Weather.pdf
1850 A.D. In Ireland in April, there were great floods in County Kerry
1851 A.D. In Ireland, there were great and destructive floods alike in spring and autumn
The summer of 1852 was remarkably hot in Russia, England, Holland, Belgium and France (two farmers died of heat in Netherlands)
1853 A.D. In the United States in 1853, the Mississippi River froze solid enough to walk 200 miles from St Louis, Missouri to La Claire, Iowa – Floods is Wales and Ireland
Winter of 1853 / 1854 A.D. severe France & Germany many rivers frozen, mild in UK.
The winter of 1854-55 was quite severe in southern Russia, in Denmark, England, France, Spain and Italy.
In 1857 there were three distinct periods of summer heat
1860 A.D. In India during the years 1860-61, there was a severe drought in parts of the Punjaub and northwest provinces
In England, the frost of December 1860 and January 1861 were remarkable. Christmas eve was extremely cold. In the valley of the Rea, the temperature dropped to -5.0° to -7.0° F (-20.6° to -21.7° C).70
In Buenos Aires, Argentina, a drought occurred in 1863 and 1864.
Winter of 1863 / 1864 A.D. The meteorological condition in the northern hemisphere during December 1863 and January 1864 were remarkable. A cold polar current flowed southward dramatically dropping temperatures in the middle of the United States (this was confined to a narrow band), and at the same time warm equatorial currents flowed northward over contiguous spaces, and thus restoring the general equilibrium of temperature and of pressure by opposite and parallel streams. At the same time an unbroken sheet of cold air, swept down through Eastern Europe, on the one side, to at least the Sandwich Islands on the other, flowed southward. Everywhere in this wide band severe temperatures were experienced
The United States experienced severe cold and extensive snowstorm in the end of December 1863 and beginning of January 1864
Winter of 1864 / 1865 A.D. The winter lasted from December to the end of March. The Seine River was frozen over at Paris, France
Winter of 1866 / 1867 A.D. The Baltic Sea froze
Winter of 1870 / 1871 A.D. The Baltic Sea froze
1876 – 1879 A.D. This period produced many great droughts covering the globe
Winter of 1876 / 1877 A.D. During the winter of 1876-77, the Baltic Sea was completely covered with ice.
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even tho the record is incomplete, it should be possible to graph frozen rivers, maybe droughts/famine and flood events too.
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David W says:
The more the climate scientists talk up the heat given the past few winters, the more they totally shred their credibility with the public who have to wear the consequences of a government unprepared for these severe cold snaps.
Its tough to believe in “global warming” when your constantly freezing your ass off.
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Ian W says:
HR says:
December 20, 2010 at 3:17 am
So any lags in global temperature associated with this?
Because where ever you think 2010 global temp is going to finish it’s going to take a stretch to describe it as cool no matter how many personnel reports of it being cold outside. Certainly the UAH satellite data doesn’t seem to have it cool.
‘Cool’ and ‘hot’ are measures of temperature.
Temperature does not equal heat content
A dry airmass (see http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/natl/flash-wv.html ) holds far less heat than a humid airmass. So all that dry air you can see near the tropics is really hot but holds far less heat than the humid airmass.
Everyone is using the incorrect metric.
After all the ‘green house gas’ theory is that ‘heat’ is trapped in the atmosphere. The amount of temperature rise in air depends on its enthalpy which is driven largely by its water vapor content.
So scientists should stop measuring temperature and doing temperature comparisons ! They are meaningless.
A bit warmer than normal here in Colorado, but my folks in Florida are getting record lows. Looks like europe is getting a good dose of “glo-bull” warming.
This global warming foolery combined with daft economic policies may turn independents against the rats for a long time to come.
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