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Two Planets Discovered Sharing the Same Orbit

1 posted on 02/27/2011 5:17:51 PM PST by SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv

“the moon may have formed from the debris of a collision between Earth and a Mars-sized body”

Complete nonsense.


5 posted on 02/27/2011 5:22:28 PM PST by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many younger conservative Christians out there? __ Click my name)
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To: SunkenCiv

I try every day but I haven’t gotten it to shake out this way yet. In fact stable near circular orbits seem relatively uncommon in this simulator.

http://www.nowykurier.com/toys/gravity/gravity.html


6 posted on 02/27/2011 5:26:41 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: SunkenCiv

How can they be sure the two planets are orbiting at exactly the same distance from the sun? I know that would present an even more remarkable set of circumstances, but this universe is remarkable.


7 posted on 02/27/2011 5:28:01 PM PST by pallis
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To: SunkenCiv
Theia would have to have hit earth at a relatively low speed

A low speed collision tears my world apart.

I love it.

But I'm gonna wait for the paperback...

8 posted on 02/27/2011 5:29:32 PM PST by bigheadfred (THE ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE HAS BEGUN)
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To: SunkenCiv

The planet in front has a bumper sticker that says “I brake for asteroids!”


13 posted on 02/27/2011 5:39:24 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: SunkenCiv
These spots, known as Lagrange points, are 120 degrees in front of and behind whichever body is smaller

Pardon my confusion, but wouldn't one of the pair always be smaller?

Or did they want to mean that the smaller body always determines the orbital characteristics?

14 posted on 02/27/2011 5:39:29 PM PST by mikrofon (Space BUMP)
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To: SunkenCiv

Long as they’re going the same direction...


18 posted on 02/27/2011 5:51:13 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: SunkenCiv

Some of the issues with the Theia hypothesis:

The ratios of the Moon’s volatile elements are not explained by the giant impact hypothesis. If the giant impact hypothesis is correct, they must be due to some other cause.

There is no evidence that the Earth ever had a magma ocean (an implied result of the giant impact hypothesis), and it is likely there exists material which has never been processed by a magma ocean.

The iron oxide (FeO) content (13%) of the Moon, which is intermediate between Mars (18%) and the terrestrial mantle (8%), rules out most of the source of the proto-lunar material from the Earth’s mantle.

If the bulk of the proto-lunar material had come from the impactor, the Moon should be enriched in siderophilic elements, when it is actually deficient in those.

The presence of volatiles such as water trapped in lunar basalts is more difficult to explain if the impact caused a catastrophic heating event.

The Moon’s oxygen isotopic ratios are essentially identical to those of Earth. Oxygen isotopic ratios, which can be measured very precisely, yield a unique and distinct signature for each solar system body, If Theia had been a separate proto-planet, it would probably have had a different oxygen isotopic signature than Earth, as would the ejected mixed material.


23 posted on 02/27/2011 6:02:54 PM PST by Snickering Hound
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To: SunkenCiv
From this article:

These spots, known as Lagrange points, are 120 degrees in front of and behind whichever body is smaller. The discovered co-orbiting planets, located in the four-planet system KOI-730, are always 120 degrees apart, permanent fixtures in each others’ night skies.

From the link in the linked article.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20160-two-planets-found-sharing-one-orbit.html?DCMP=OTC-rss&nsref=online-news

Gravitational "sweet spots" make this possible. When one body (such as a planet) orbits a much more massive body (a star), there are two Lagrange points along the planet's orbit where a third body can orbit stably. These lie 60 degrees ahead of and 60 degrees behind the smaller object. For example, groups of asteroids called Trojans lie at these points along Jupiter's orbit.

Which is it, 60 or 120 degrees? I can't finish my school project until I find out!

25 posted on 02/27/2011 6:10:23 PM PST by Eaker (The problem with the internet, you're never sure the accuracy of the quotes. ~ Abraham Lincoln, 1865)
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To: SunkenCiv
The Lagrange Points referred to in the article (L4 and L5) are 120 degrees apart, not 120 degrees ahead and behind.

The L4 & L5 points are stable. The other three are not.

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26 posted on 02/27/2011 6:17:08 PM PST by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: SunkenCiv

Maybe John Norman wasn’t as crazy as we thought (nah).


30 posted on 02/27/2011 6:27:33 PM PST by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Wanna learn humility? Become a Pittsburgh Pirates fan!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Our moon is pulling away from the sun, our sun has a time predicted when it will die, earth will not last forever, so the spinning of these planets MUST be a finite point, no?

So when the finite is changed a bit, then what?


45 posted on 02/27/2011 7:26:37 PM PST by Beowulf9
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