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How Mammoths Lost The Extinction Lottery

1 posted on 11/04/2011 7:25:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv
"If you ran the whole experiment again, we would have woolly mammoths and no reindeer, so Santa would drag his sleigh with woolly mammoths."

Paleo-geneticists are always obsessing on the old man in the sky who makes miracles happen. And they call it science.

4 posted on 11/04/2011 7:29:22 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (I won't vote for Romney. I won't vote for Perry.)
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6 posted on 11/04/2011 7:30:57 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: SunkenCiv
. But there was no clear pattern to explain why the animals died off, and it proved impossible to predict from habitat or genetic diversity which species would go extinct and which would survive.

Maybe "Wooly" had something to do with it.

7 posted on 11/04/2011 7:31:15 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (999er for Cain.)
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To: SunkenCiv
"If you ran the whole experiment again, we would have woolly mammoths and no reindeer, so Santa would drag his sleigh with woolly mammoths."

And ~flying~ wooly mammoths, at that. Yeesh... And you thought that ~birds~ pooping on your freshly washed car was annoying...

9 posted on 11/04/2011 7:40:38 PM PDT by Ramius (personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: SunkenCiv

One of my favorite pieces in my knife collection is a Benchmade Gold class folder, with a Damascus blade and a pure white mammoth ivory handle. Hand made, limited edition of 100.

There’s lots of mammoth ivory out there, but most is yellowish, with heavy graining and striping. This stuff is white and smooth. It’s simply breathtaking. And to think how old that ivory is... Staggering.


11 posted on 11/04/2011 7:55:41 PM PDT by Ramius (personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: SunkenCiv
Researchers who studied the fate of six species of 'megafauna' over the past 50,000 years found that climate change and habitat loss were involved in many of the extinctions, with humans playing a part in some cases but not others.

I was watching a show about this the other day and they were saying that climate change was unlikely to have killed the giant armadillo. It survived for more than a million years through multiple ice ages and the wide climatic swings between the. I turn around the next day and I see a "climatologist" declaring that animals are all going to become extinct because of global warming.
12 posted on 11/04/2011 7:57:15 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I gather that wooly mammoth were also very limited in genetic diversity.

A biological theory, the “island theory”, is that when a species are broken up on different isolated islands, they first diversify and become specialized to their individual islands, eventually becoming unique species, but are condemned to dying out because they become both over-specialized and inbred.

The same basic thing may have happened to wooly mammoths, by distance between herds.


17 posted on 11/04/2011 8:17:02 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: SunkenCiv
There is no clear pattern because the basic premise is wrong. When you figure out the question, then the pattern emerges. But if by pre-determination you have eliminated some questions, I would start there where there is no pattern.

Clues, Polar ice is thickest at the magnetic poles rather than the solar poles...

What causes water to react to magnetic fields...

How did Woolly mammoths die with flowers preserved in their stomachs... How, without digesting? Did the earths magnetic poles ever reverse... How, what could cause that?... Connect the dots.

19 posted on 11/04/2011 8:23:16 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Another complex and sophisticated, but nevertheless spurious GIGO exercise.
Garbage In, Garbage Out...
21 posted on 11/04/2011 9:25:59 PM PDT by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Chunky Soup indeed.

25 posted on 11/05/2011 4:08:27 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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My folks just gave my son a book called "Dinosaurs for Kids," a creationist theory about how dinosaurs lived and eventually died out. My boy is five and I don't want to have to explain to him the mental gymnastics this author has to do to come up with his theories. There is even a picture of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden with an apple and surrounded by dinosaurs.
38 posted on 11/05/2011 8:22:55 PM PDT by Sawdring
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