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Thinking of purchasing SHTF food and silver (total VANITY)

Posted on 11/13/2012 2:54:29 PM PST by bayliving

Ok, I come here looking for help and advice.


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KEYWORDS: emergencyprep; eotwawki; preppers; prepping; shtf; silver; survival
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My wife and I have a limited amount (approx $4000) of expendable money and are looking to hedge our bets on the inevitable coming collapse of our economy.

We are looking at getting an 80 day supply of food from "Foodinsurance.com" (if there is a better source for emergency food please let me know) and using the rest of our funds to purchase silver.

We already have the firearms and ammo thing covered.

I just want to know if there is a better use of our limited funds other than food and silver?

1 posted on 11/13/2012 2:54:37 PM PST by bayliving
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To: bayliving
If I am wrong about our economy collapsing please let me know that too.

I would much rather use that money in other (fun) ways if I can.

2 posted on 11/13/2012 2:56:38 PM PST by bayliving (I suffer from democrat induced tourette syndrome...)
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To: bayliving

I think that 14 days to 30 days of food, water and medicine is fine for disaster preparation. I think that more is a waste of time, and I think that purchasing silver (which is historically expensive at the moment), is unnecessary and a poor investment.

If you think we’re on the brink of some sort of Depression or economic reset, my advice would be to spend the money acquiring some sort of recession-proof skill. Go to night school to learn skilled machining, or get your EMT or Paramedic certification. Skills are the best trade goods, and once you have them, no one can take them away.


3 posted on 11/13/2012 3:01:03 PM PST by altsehastiin
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To: bayliving

If I knew what was going to happen with certainty, I would be a gazillionaire.


4 posted on 11/13/2012 3:01:03 PM PST by marvlus
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To: bayliving
Don't forget Seeds, blankets, wood burning stove, and other survivable essentials.

Remember NO GAS, NO HEAT, NO PLUMPING!

Also try http://www.efoodsdirect.com/

They are similar to Food Insurance.

5 posted on 11/13/2012 3:02:14 PM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: bayliving

Do you have a reliable, independent source of water?


6 posted on 11/13/2012 3:04:35 PM PST by Rio (Tempis Fugit.)
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To: Rio
This is the best place I have found: The Ready Store
7 posted on 11/13/2012 3:06:41 PM PST by Free America52 (The White guys are getting pissed off. We beat Hitler Hirohito and Krushchev. Obama will be easy.)
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To: bayliving
I've bought 'storable' food from Costco, online. Can't beat the price on bulk powdered milk, and that's what I use for cooking. I also use the dehydrated stew mix for lots of stuff. Some of the 'storable' foods are crap. Don't buy bulk unless you sample it.

I've got that stuff from Costco, because I'm a cheap barstid, and I use it, not for SHTF, even though it would be handy to have.

Toilet paper is another bulk purchase I like. It's never going to get cheaper, and you are always going to need it.

/johnny

8 posted on 11/13/2012 3:08:18 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: bayliving
I agree with another post that silver is not a good investment for a crisis. If I want a substitute for cash, I'd rather have food, which everyone will want, rather than metal, which has limited practical value.

In terms of food, I like my local grocery store for emergency food. We store what we normally eat - just buy one or more months in advance. Spaghetti is good for a long time, as is rice, canned food, and a long list of other foods that you already eat. It's also cheaper than "emergency food", and you know how to cook it. A pound of starch (whether pasta or rice) has about 1600 calories, almost enough to feed one person for a day. Thus two 20 pound sacks of rice will feed a family for a month (not really, but it's a month's worth of food if it's paired with an equal number of calories from canned tuna/chicken/spam, canned tomato sauce, canned soup, canned fruit, etc. All I would do is freeze the rice and pasta for three days to kill any bugs or eggs, and then store it in a plastic container. Otherwise, the shelf food from your local grocery is ready for your emergency pantry.

If you have a month of emergency food (or three months, or a year) and rotate it with new purchases, eating 1/12 of the stored food every month or two, your stored food is always in date and fresh.

9 posted on 11/13/2012 3:09:09 PM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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Nobody knows for sure, but I think the precious metals are due for another rise soon, and I think that silver is probably a better bet than gold at this juncture.

Also, if you’re talking about survival, then I’m not sure how much good a gold bar would be, especially if you’re talking about moderate funds. Most likely silver coins would be a better bet, and nothing fancy at that, but just something you could exchange with real people in the neighborhood.

You might also want to give some thought to useful stuff that will keep, like toothpaste, aspirin, bandaids, toilet paper, soap, razor blades. If the S doesn’t HTF, then you can always use that kind of stuff, and it will probably keep going up in price, so the money’s not wasted. FWIW, I find that beer will keep in a cool place out of the sun for at least a year.


10 posted on 11/13/2012 3:12:04 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: bayliving

Advise to title threads with something like ‘Thinking of purchasing emergency food’, or ‘preparedness food’ and silver’.


11 posted on 11/13/2012 3:15:18 PM PST by ansel12 (Todd Akin was NOT the tea party candidate, Sarah Steelman was, Brunner had tea party support also.)
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To: bayliving

It’s always a personal decision based on what you are preparing for. You build a matrix of what might happen and the impact of what happens vs. the likelihood then direct your resources accordingly.
1. 10 mile diameter asteroid impact is not very likely but devastation would be complete, so you’d have to get off the planet. If you had $4000 Billion dollars you could build a compound on Mars. But since it isn’t likely and you can’t afford to mitigate it, look to see what you can do for another item in the matrix.
2. Bank failures leading to a month of financial chaos, food shortages and urban riots. Given where we are, odds might be 20% that could happen. So extra money (silver), food, and protection (guns and ammo)could help you weather that.
3. SHTF - EOTWAWKI - maybe less than 1% chance, but part of mitigating it overlaps with #2 on your list, so makes sense to start with that prep anyway. You’d have to add some self sustainability, like being able to grow you own food, etc. in this scenario.

Bottom line, you have to eat, you don’t want to end up in the middle of a food riot to do that, or a FEMA camp, so I’d go with as much food as you can store if you are in a safe area, and as much as you can carry with the balance in silver if you are not in a safe area. Even if you have weapons and know how to use them, if you end up having to it will be a bad day.


12 posted on 11/13/2012 3:16:51 PM PST by JTHomes (28th: Congress shall make no law respecting economics , or prohibiting the free exercise of markets)
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In a serious collapse, silver would be hard to barter with. Generally, silver has value due to manufacturing needs (among others), and in a bad downturn, that would obviously be lacking.

Now gold, in small allotments such as coins, not bars, would have some value in bartering. But, generally you should think of it as a hedge against the devaluing of the currency, not necessarily a SHTF type situation.

But funny you post this, as I’m currently looking into buying gold finally, along with the assorted costs (safe deposit bank rental, insurance on same) which all have a price. But, I finally pulled everything out of the stock market (except for one stock that involves the WAMU bankruptcy, remember that?). Buying of gold is just a hedge, not a alternative to a total meltdown. In that case, yeah, food, water, ammo, medical supplies, although not necessarily in the order...


13 posted on 11/13/2012 3:18:54 PM PST by tickedoffnow (No more...)
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To: Pollster1

“...freeze the rice and pasta for three days to kill any bugs or eggs, and then store it in a plastic container.”

I’m with you on everything else - but have never heard of putting the starches in my deep freezer for 3 days - makes sense though.

I do think a small amount of silver coins would be a good thing - not an investment; just as recognizable currency (well) after SHTF.


14 posted on 11/13/2012 3:20:17 PM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: bayliving

Food is food. By more of what you already eat. If you want to really cover you butt, buy some filler in bulk. 40 lb. bags of rice are relatively cheap.

Make sure you have several firearms and plenty of ammunition. Silver is an iffy proposition. Supposing a real SHTF situation, I don’t care much about precious metals.


15 posted on 11/13/2012 3:25:20 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Psalm 73

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&tbo=d&sclient=psy-ab&q=freeze+rice+to+kill+bugs&oq=freeze+rice&gs_l=hp.1.1.0l4.0.0.1.9452.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.k6ZlNIGtiVY&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=93c6387f664f6181&bpcl=38093640&biw=1039&bih=719

Google search: “About 2,060,000 results (0.37 seconds)”

It’s not supposed to be perfect, but it helps a whole lot, depending on how cold and how long you freeze it for. I have had bugs on rare occasions in rice/flour/pasta that had not been frozen, but never in something I froze, even when stored for over a year.


16 posted on 11/13/2012 3:28:15 PM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Rio
Do you have a reliable, independent source of water?

No. We have "city" water. However, I do live close to the bay and have a very low water table so I guess I could dig a hole and dip water out of it to sterilize.

Probably not a good idea though...

17 posted on 11/13/2012 3:30:59 PM PST by bayliving (I suffer from democrat induced tourette syndrome...)
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Good luck and God Speed!

Before you go blow a bunch of money, read through some online lists/advice like http://www.survivalblog.com/

You’re not the first, so borrow other people’s knowledge.

For my own 2 cents, I’d avoid buying “survival foods” and having them shipped to me. Those companies are good outfits and decent people, but you can do much better economically stocking up in local big stores/discount stores. Just think about it, why would you pay a premium and shipping charges to have a #10 can of rice mailed to you? For MRE’s and the like online it’s fine, but for survival basics just go to the dang store and load up on staples that last. Your study of survival blogs will tell you what to get and how to store it. And as always, integrate basics into your diet before the crunch, so you don’t go directly from McDonald’s to beans and rice with the not too fun digestive consequences. And start gardening!

As for metals, again just my 2 cents, instead of buying some online outfits silver bars or micro mint pieces, just start a silver coin collection if you have that hankering. Pre 1964, let’s say. It’s recognized and likely to be honored everywhere. If the SHTF scenario doesn’t come, you have a nice little investment. If it does, US coins with recognized silver content will be easier to trade than some dubious hunks of metal from Joe’s Website.

JMHO, best of luck to ya!


18 posted on 11/13/2012 3:33:06 PM PST by Will_Zurmacht
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To: bayliving
There are some key essentials when preparing for a SHTF scenario. You've got the right mindset - to be prepared. Beginning with food is a wise move. Wait for a while on the silver, in my opinion. You cannot eat silver.

Don't allow yourself to get overwhelmed by all of the essentials. I, myself, have spent ten years prepping. If I had tries to acquire all that I have now instantaneously back then, I would have sat down and cried and just given up. Plan your purchases, do it briskly but within your means and keep your eye on the objective.

Food Insurance is a decent line, but you can save quite a bit of money by purchasing individual essentials from Emergency Essentials. They are now my ONLY source.

19 posted on 11/13/2012 3:33:14 PM PST by RobertClark (Inside every "older" person is a younger person wondering what the hell happened?)
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To: bayliving

I went to LDS purchased cans lids and oxygen absorbers.
they lent me the canner.

i then bought 50 pound bags of milk flour sugar rice beans and oatmwal. canned them up in a few hours. costs 400.
i have several months of food. most cans last up to 20-30 years..
do not use ox absorbers in sugar.
bought 275 gallon water cistern for 100.00.
bought rain diversion kits for 80 at amazon.
invested in 10 bags of calcium hypoclorite(pool shock 78%) for water treatment. Cost 40.00 . does 100,000 gallons.


20 posted on 11/13/2012 3:35:24 PM PST by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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