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My agent orange is sooooo acting up. I am so frustrated by seeing all these posts and articles about Ebola not being an airborne pathogen. So many people posted this crap and the media talking about this and even the medical community highlighting this don't even really understand a) what they are posting/reporting b) understand the layman's understanding of what an airborne pathogen entails. It is so very specific in the world of microbiology...to say that a disease is not airborne is not to say that it cannot be transmitted via droplets. The distinction is so specific that to put out a blanket statement saying it is not airborne or it is airborne w/o laying out the science behind those statements is very very bad reporting/science/information disbursement. In order for a pathogen to be deemed airborne, it must be able to infect over a long distance and time (in microbe standards), hence the saying in the early 20th century, "Open the window and In FLU ENZA". When a person is in the mid to late stages of a disease, where viral loads are high, especially when the pathogen can be transmitted via bodily fluids, transmission can occur from sneezes/coughs where saliva and mucous are exchanged in close proximity and the non-infected person comes into contact with those droplets on "wet" membranes, i.e. Nasal, pharyngeal, eyes, cuts in the skin. This DOES NOT MEAN it is an airborne pathogen. My fear is that when people say it is not airborne, that the layman thinks it cannot be transmitted via droplet form b/c the doctors/medical community and the laymen understand the vocabulary from two distinct points of view. This is JUST NOT THE CASE!
1 posted on 10/03/2014 11:04:09 PM PDT by zimfam007
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To: zimfam007

My understanding is that sneezing and coughing aren’t typical symptoms of the disease, unlike, say, influenza and measles.


2 posted on 10/03/2014 11:11:32 PM PDT by oblomov
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To: zimfam007

All virii can live in droplets suspended in the air and carried by air currents.

They differ VERY widely in how long they can survive in droplets in the air.

They also differ in how easily they can infect another person when they are breathed into the lungs or deposited on the eyes or other mucus membranes.

The common cold is extremely hardy in these respects and just a few particles breathed in will give you a cold.

Ebola is FAR less hardy in the air than the cold virus. It is possible that Ebola could someday mutate into a form more easily transmitted by airborne droplets.... perhaps a change in the protein coat could do it... make it hardier and more sticky. As it is right now Ebola is able to transfer to a new host by droplets coughed directly into ones face from less than three feet.... picture a wet cough of such magnitude that you need to wipe your face off or rub the droplets from your eyes.


6 posted on 10/03/2014 11:51:13 PM PDT by Bobalu (Hashem Yerachem (May God Have Mercy)
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To: zimfam007

Yep, when the CDC says it’s not airborne, then the layman thinks ok sneezes and coughs etc. are not a problem.

Stating that sneezes and coughs are not usually symptoms of Ebola, doesn’t make provision for the Flu season coming up, and there’s going to be lots of sneezing and coughing, and I assume that someone with Ebola could also have the flu. Not to mention that there are many reason why someone sneezes, and if they have Ebola those droplets contain the virus.


7 posted on 10/03/2014 11:55:55 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: zimfam007

My impression is that they are saying that it isn’t airborne, but remember that within 3 feet, you could still get some liquid on you from coughing and sneezing, and rub it in your eyes, or such tissue that isn’t your outer skin.

But sharing the same air isn’t a problem.


8 posted on 10/04/2014 12:23:55 AM PDT by ansel12
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9 posted on 10/04/2014 12:39:14 AM PDT by freds6girlies (many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first. Mt. 19:30. R.I.P. G & J)
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To: zimfam007

Are droplets of mucus and saliva not bodily fluids? Of course they are. Would those be a way of transmitting Ebola, especially in the closed environment of an airplane..I believe they would.


11 posted on 10/04/2014 2:23:25 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: 2ndreconmarine; Fitzcarraldo; Covenantor; Mother Abigail; EBH; Dog Gone; ...
Ping…

A link to this thread has been posted on the Ebola Surveillance Thread

12 posted on 10/04/2014 2:45:44 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: zimfam007
The survival of filoviruses in liquids, on solid substrates and in a dynamic aerosol
13 posted on 10/04/2014 2:46:59 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: zimfam007
Oh,..you mean like this?


17 posted on 10/04/2014 4:12:14 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: zimfam007

ebola is a direct contact or aerosol contagion

i’m wondering when we can just start calling it the Black Death

both are hemorrhagic fevers and this latest outbreak was brought to us by our first black president


18 posted on 10/04/2014 4:14:20 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: zimfam007

You are exactly right. Airborne most often means suspended in the atmosphere, but aerosolized viruses (i.e., sneezing) are also airborne for a short while.


23 posted on 10/04/2014 4:22:21 AM PDT by Ancient Man
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To: zimfam007; neverdem; ProtectOurFreedom; Mother Abigail; EBH; vetvetdoug; Smokin' Joe; Global2010; ..
Bring Out Your Dead

Post to me or FReep mail to be on/off the Bring Out Your Dead ping list.

The purpose of the “Bring Out Your Dead” ping list (formerly the “Ebola” ping list) is very early warning of emerging pandemics, as such it has a high false positive rate.

So far the false positive rate is 100%.

At some point we may well have a high mortality pandemic, and likely as not the “Bring Out Your Dead” threads will miss the beginning entirely.

*sigh* Such is life, and death...

27 posted on 10/04/2014 6:32:40 AM PDT by null and void (If the wage gap were real, American companies would be hiring millions of women to save a buck)
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To: zimfam007

Layman translation?

Being borne by the air, or wind, means that the air is moving it along. The distance depends on wind velocity so it could be yards, or miles.

Aerosols, exactly like it reads, are like a plant spray bottle. liquid travel is aerosolized, (made small by air) but it only travels for the distance it mass will carry it and the force at which it was ejected.

There is another type that travels and that is ejection as in the spittle that hits you in the face when someone is talking.

You can debate this stuff endlessly if you like. The debate won’t change the reality. You still have to come into contact with bodily fluids of a infected and virus shedding person.

We already know that most of the contact is from contaminated surfaces, and direct contact with the body, but nobody knows how many are infected by a aerosol spray droplet that lands in your eye, mouth or nose.

To prevent that, we wear protection and so does the infected in a hospital environment.

If a virus shedding person is out and about, they will obviously be sick. You can avoid them, but you cannot avoid the surfaces the sick may leave fluids on..

So that’s the concern...not the airborne/aerosol arguments.

I think the misunderstanding, BTW, is intentional hyperbole anyway. For the last six years, few people, other than Obama sycophants, trust anything the government says from any of the multitude of agencies.,

So it is what it is....


34 posted on 10/04/2014 7:57:15 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: iontheball; zimfam007
"Let’s just consider the secretion of sweat. Sweat from palms that touch lavatory door handles, faucets, etc. Palms that are placed on arm rests, tray tables and trays, cups, etc., in an airplane."

How easily is it transmitted in sweat? Many times at the public gym people leave equipment and benches wet with their perspiration without cleaning up after themselves and along comes another to use it. If you used a towel for a barrier to that stranger's sweat and they carried the virus, wouldn't that moist towel now carry the pathogen to the person and then go home to launder exposing everyone along the way?

36 posted on 10/04/2014 8:26:07 AM PDT by 444Flyer (How long O LORD?)
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