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1 posted on 06/10/2015 6:20:12 PM PDT by walkinginthedesert
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To: walkinginthedesert
I'm not sure how industrialism, which replaced agrarian feudalism in most of Western Europe, had an adverse effect on private property rights. Under a feudal system, peasants could own NOTHING. One of the fruits of industrial capitalism was the power of the individual to earn wages, which could then be used to purchase goods and services, including property.

It also gave rise to a new industrial aristocracy, which diluted the power of the landed nobles and hereditary nobility. While few peasants managed to rise to those levels, at least some of the class lines were blurred, if not erased entirely. Look at someone like Andrew Carnegie.

America was lucky in that she emerged from British rule just as industrialization was setting in, so she had few of the feudal artifacts to shake off.

2 posted on 06/10/2015 6:30:53 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: walkinginthedesert

Capitalism has been the greatest benifit to mankind in the known history of the world.


4 posted on 06/10/2015 6:49:38 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: walkinginthedesert

I don’t see anything wrong with capitalism. What I have problem with is “CRONY CAPITALISM”, that has permeated our country. All you really need to do is donate enough money to a politician, and if and when he wins the race, you are rewarded with handsome government contracts or the government gives you money outright to start a business. That’s not CAPITALISM. That is what Nazi Germany did in Germany in the 30’s.


5 posted on 06/10/2015 6:51:45 PM PDT by gingerbread
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To: walkinginthedesert
Nice essay, and thanks for posting. I would have to quibble about the definition of imperialism - the phenomenon predates "capitalism" (that term itself not used until 1850 or so) by several millennia. You might arguably move the latter term to 1776 or so through Adam Smith, who described the process but not the term. Gandhi was a wonderful fellow but imprecise on the issue at best.

"Crony" capitalism is simply another term for corruption - capitalism itself is simply the use of the surplus from one economic operation to fund another. That it has come to involve bankers, swindlers (but there I repeat myself), lobbyists, and members of both bureaucracy and elected government peddling influence is neither an essential feature of capitalism nor a necessary one. It is, after all, precisely the same corruption seen under non-capitalist systems.

Hope to see more of your posts on FR!

7 posted on 06/10/2015 7:03:11 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: walkinginthedesert
Interesting viewpoint. The Industrial Revolution in England employed millions of dispossessed rural tenant farmers who lost their historic lands through eliminating common lands, clearances of farmers to convert farm land into sheep and cattle pasture, and in Ireland, stealing the land of Catholics. Better a factory job in London, Glasgow, or Belfast than starve in rural England, Scotland, or Ireland. Better yet, try your luck in New York, Sydney, or Toronto, if you could afford the fare overseas.

One of my forbears was a tenant farmer in Northern Ireland. In 1811, he migrated with his wife and infant son to Philadelphia, soon after moving to eastern Ohio, where he could actually own his own land.

Were it not for the effects of rural depopulation, whether in the British Isles, Italy, Scandinavia, and Central Europe, our country may never have been heavily settled by Europeans.

8 posted on 06/10/2015 7:10:15 PM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: walkinginthedesert

Bump for tomorrow. I expect to see some very interesting discussion on this!


9 posted on 06/10/2015 7:17:36 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ( "It doesn't work for me. I gotta have more cowbell!")
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To: walkinginthedesert

Any system other than capitalism requires government coercion to exist.


10 posted on 06/10/2015 7:20:16 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Freedom isn't free, liberty isn't liberal and you'll never find anything Right on the Left)
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To: walkinginthedesert

There are bad things,
There is capitalism,
Ergo: capitalism caused the bad things!

Seriously you make only the most specious of a connections.


11 posted on 06/10/2015 7:22:42 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: walkinginthedesert
A Conservative Case against Capitalism and Industrialism

A RELIGIOUS Case against Capitalism and Industrialism... and a weak one, at that.

Most social conservatives have no problem whatsoever with using the power of government to enforce their personal preferences, just like any Socialist Liberal. I am a limited-government conservative, and have very little in common with them.

12 posted on 06/10/2015 7:29:58 PM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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“These negative effects include the degrading of traditional morality and the role of the family, the restriction of private property, crony capitalism, the rise of imperialism, and lastly its effects on agrarianism and the environment.”

These are all symptoms of Socialism/Communism not Capitalism.


13 posted on 06/10/2015 7:36:04 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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One of the unintended effects of capitalism is that it led to a larger and more centralized government...
Ridiculous, unsubstantiated statement.

This development of big business and corporatism, which was highly influenced by capitalism gave rise to what is known as crony-capitalism.
Do I really have to say it? Crony-capitalism is the result of leftist politicians hoping to get a slice of the pie.

If I didn't know better, I'd think I was reading this is DU.

14 posted on 06/10/2015 8:01:19 PM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: walkinginthedesert

Not only are you a blog pump you are also so under educated in economics it is ridiculous.

Most obvious error in your thinking is that you do not even approach capitalism as a natural outgrowth of liberty and freedom.


16 posted on 06/10/2015 9:01:05 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: walkinginthedesert

I think it is a fair statement that capitalism is a function of economic liberty. If so, capitalism is probably a pillar of conservatism.


17 posted on 06/10/2015 9:16:48 PM PDT by cornfedcowboy
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I think the main point is just plain crony capitalism.

When Government (like ours) becomes monster sized - and corporations become enmeshed with it. This kills a free market.

I used to defend big corporations, until I worked with a few and realized they were almost purely socialist organizations.

Also, with neocon globalism, they have no loyalty to the United States.


21 posted on 06/11/2015 9:37:56 AM PDT by LibertyLA (fighting libtards and other giant government enablers!)
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