Unearthed: Chris Matthews Reports Obama Born In Indonesia And Has Islamic Background

http://www.birtherreport.com/2015/09/unearthed-video-chris-matthews-reports.html ^ | Sep 23, 2015

[Ray76]

Chris Matthews reported back on December 18th, 2007 that 2008 presidential candidate Barack Obama was born in Indonesia and has an Islamic background.

Video at link

[4Zoltan]

No. There is one attribution that the birth certificate was half written and half typed. But that was not a direct quote but a paraphrase by the reporter.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/42519951/ns/politics-more_politics/t/ex-hawaii-official-denounces-ludicrous-birther-claims/

Also we know that there is more information on a birth certificate then what is shown on the certified copy. The form continues to the left of the left margin of the copy.

Here is what Dr. Charles Bennett (he signed the Nordyke BCs as Registrar General) said about birth certificates in 1955.

“A nurse or clerk in the hospital fills in the certificate form and gets the mother to sign it. Then the attending physician enters certain medical data and affixes his signature. Finally, the hospital sends the completed certificate to the local registrar.”

http://www.wnd.com/files/CHARLESBENNETT.pdf

Does the doctor type the medical data or hand write it?

[Natufian]

Is that the same Maraniss who writes extensively about SAD’s life in Hawaii, the marriage to Obama Sr, the pregnancy and the birth (all in Hawaii)?

It’s just that when you wrote:

“It’s as if...she wasn’t even in the state.”

What you really meant to say is, “’I’m going to ignore all the ‘trained, professional research’ that doesn’t fit with my theory and just misinterpret one, minor point that does”.

[Fantasywriter]

‘Pressure was mounting on Hawaii Governor Neil Abercrombie today amid increasing confusion over whether President Obama was born there.

Abercrombie said on Tuesday that an investigation had unearthed papers proving Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961.

He told Honolulu’s Star-Advertiser: ‘It actually exists in the archives, written down,’ he said.

But it became apparent that what had been discovered was an unspecified listing or notation of Obama’s birth that someone had made in the state archives and not a birth certificate.

And in the same interview Abercrombie suggested that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health.

He said efforts were still being made to track down definitive vital records that would prove Obama was born in Hawaii.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1348916/Hawaii-governor-says-Obamas-birth-record-exists-produce-it.html

[Fantasywriter]

Maraniss couldn’t locate one person who even knew SAD had gotten married, much less anyone who could place her in HI during her pregnancy. He spoke to people who knew both SAD and O Sr.; he just couldn’t find anyone with ANY info about her marriage or whereabouts during her pregnancy.

Outright lies will not help you. Quote a passage from Maraniss describing anything to do with SAD during her pregnancy. I’ll wait.

[Fantasywriter]

Oh, and what exactly did I “misinterpret”?

Or is this another outright lie?

[4Zoltan]

This should help DL research the history of Hawaiian laws. It explains what the abbreviations at the end of each section means.

http://lrbhawaii.org/how2/how2.pdf

They even walk through some examples.

[4Zoltan]

Not surprising that an internationalist doesn’t understand the difference between a state archives and a department of health vital records department.

keep plugging those foreign sources.

[Natufian]

“Before the end of her first semester, Ann learned she was pregnant. The jolt that most parents might feel at such news from a teenage daughter was intensified for the Dunhams by the fact that the father was Obama. Madelyn Dunham has steadfastly declined requests for interviews this year, but a few years ago she talked to the Chicago Tribune’s David Mendell, who was researching his biography, “Obama: From Promise to Power.” Dunham, known for her practicality and skepticism in a family of dreamers, told Mendell that Stanley Ann had always been stubborn and nonconformist, and often did startling things, but none were more stubborn or surprising than her relationship with Obama.

When Mendell pressed her about Obama, she said she did not trust the stories the Kenyan told. Prodding further, the interviewer noted that Obama had “a great deal of charm” and that his father had been a medicine man. “She raised her eyebrows and nodded to herself,” Mendell wrote of Madelyn. “ ‘He was . . .’ she said with a long pause, ‘strange.’ She lingered on the a to emphasize ‘straaaaaange.’ “

On Feb. 2, 1961, against Madelyn’s hopes, and against the desires of Obama’s father back in Kenya, Ann and Obama hopped a plane to Maui and got married. No guests, not even family members, were there. Barack Hussein Obama Jr. was born six months later in Honolulu.

Ann, the earnest student, dropped out of school to take care of him. Her husband finished his degree, graduating in June 1962, after three years in Hawaii, as a Phi Beta Kappa straight-A student. Then, before the month was out, he took off, leaving behind his still-teenage wife and namesake child. He did not return for 10 years, and then only briefly. A story in the Star-Bulletin on the day he left, June 22, said Obama planned a several-weeks grand tour of mainland universities before he arrived at Harvard to study economics on a graduate faculty fellowship. The story did not mention that he had a wife and an infant son.”

David Maraniss

[Fantasywriter]

Last time I quoted Rush Limbaugh, and you said the same exact thing. Your problem isn’t the source; it’s the facts.

[Fantasywriter]

Hahaha. Cute. You are quoting not from Maraniss’ Obama biography, but from ***before*** the time Maraniss went to HI and did his on-the-ground research. (I.e.: from before the time it was learned that Dreams was fiction, not fact.)

That is one of the most dishonest things I’ve ever seen. How are you not too ashamed to post?

[Natufian]

You’re making more claims that aren’t supported by the evidence...

“In late August 2008, Team Obama had to be more than a little worried about what veteran Washington Post reporter Davis Maraniss would turn up in his exhaustive research into the life of their candidate.”

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2012/05/how-the-washington-post-threw-2008-election/#UccmAeJCApsdtToh.99

[Fantasywriter]

Liar. I said the quote you posted was not from Maraniss’ biography of obama, and that it in fact predated his HI research. Provide the link for your quote, liar. Also, explain why you added no link the first time, as is customary.

[CpnHook]

This should help DL research the history of Hawaiian laws. It explains what the abbreviations at the end of each section means.

It should, but I predict it won't. That same article was mentioned on this thread two years ago. DL was on that thread. So were you. So was Nero. And it was explicitly mentioned then that HRS 338-17.8 wasn't enacted until 1982. DL paid no heed.

You often exhibit admirable patience with him. But he's an intellectual lemming who is bent on accepting without question many Birther memes simply because he observes the pack of other Birthers repeating the same claims. The result is his joining them in the head-long plunge off the cliff into the Abyss of Error. His repeatedly claiming there was a law in effect in Hawaii in 1961 allowing issuance of a birth certificate to person not born in Hawaii is a rather salient illustration.

[Fantasywriter]

David Maraniss’ Obama bio was first published on June 16, 2012. Provide a link proving the source from which your quote was taken was published on June 17, 2012, or later.

[Natufian]

You asked me to “Quote a passage from Maraniss describing anything to do with SAD during her pregnancy”.

I did that.

You got upset and started raving about it being from before he did his research.

I posted a link showing that he was dong extensive research on Obama throughout 2008. Here’s another comparing the results of Maraniss’ research against the official narrative and showing why the Obama campaign was right to be nervous about what he was unearthing.

https://prestopundit.wordpress.com/2008/08/22/david-maraniss-begins-his-multi-part-series-on/

In summary, I’ve shown Maraniss wrote about SAD in Hawaii, her marriage, pregnancy and the birth of Obama Jr (as you requested) and I’ve also shown that he was doing his research.

I know you won’t like it because you’ve made yourself look a bit silly, what with the hysteria and the name calling and everything but try to look at it this way - I don’t care what you think, I don’t post to educate you. I do it so that the lurkers get to see that the fantasy narratives you hawk about the place are just so much drivel.

[Fantasywriter]

Your first quote was from 2008. It was not from Maraniss’ biography, which was not published until June of 2012. The info in the biography totally contradicted the ‘facts’ from the article you quoted and made Dreams out to be a skein of lies.

Are you too stupid to see the difference between what Maraniss wrote in 2008, when he imagined there was a thread of truth in Dreams, and the completely different/entirely contradictory account he wrote after he did firsthand research in HI?

Are you massively stupid, wholly dishonest, or equal parts both?

[Natufian]

Show me where Marannis says SAD didn’t get pregnant in Hawaii, live in Hawaii during her pregnancy or give birth to a n Hawaii. If it has to be from that specific biography, fine but I’m happy to read the same from any other sources by Maraniss.

[Fantasywriter]

Fwiw, here’s my take on what’s going on. There is some dishonesty at work in your approach. This is obvious, or you would have included a link the first time you quoted Maraniss. You knew the quote predated his in-state HI research, and you concealed that fact in hopes I wouldn’t figure out where the quote came from, or might even be deceived into thinking it came from the bio. Very slimily deceptive of you, at best.

But my personal take is that stupidity trumps dishonesty. In your mind, there is no difference between what Maraniss wrote in ignorance in 2008 and the entirely different/contradictory acct he wrote four years later, after doing firsthand research in HI. In your mind, if at any time Maraniss said something that bolsters Obama, it has timeless legitimacy. If later, after he learned the facts, he wholly contradicted the earlier acct, your view is the earlier version is still better. Why? Because it helps both you and Obama. I.e.: ignorance is your friend.

[Natufian]

Is that an

“I can’t post what you asked for because he’s never written any such thing but if I do some hand waving, everyone might forget the nub of the issue’ cause I know it’s slipping away from me”

or is it an

“He has stated those very things but I’m not going to post it because then I’ll have proved my point and I won’t be able to spout my cod psycho-babble and where’s the fun in that”?

[DiogenesLamp]

I've already saved you the time and looked up what you posted to "Ha Ha" in 2012 as being the 1961 law allowing for issuance of certificates to persons born outside of Hawaii. You cited to the Ha. Rev. Stat. § 338-17.8 -- the one that wasn't enacted until 1982!!

And this is what I mean when I say you are a pathetic and childlike sack of sh*t who will seize on a tiny little mole hill, and then attempt to make out of it a Mountain. You're quibble about the difference between the 1982 law (which still mentions "Territory". Imagine that!) and the previous Territorial law, is irrelevant to the point.

What in fact the territorial statute in effect before the 1982 statute sets out is an even greater latitude enabling and entitling persons to register a child for up to a year after its birth and to do so, if not attended by a locally licensed physician or midwife, for the parents or one of them to fill out the birth certificate or for a “local registrar” to fill out a birth certificate “from anyone having knowledge of the birth.” Thus a child born outside of Hawaii and attended by a non-Hawaii licensed health care provider or born unattended could get a Hawaii birth certificate nonetheless.

The simple fact remains that in Hawaii you could get away with registering a birth merely on people's "say so", which effectively means that foreign birth's can be registered as Hawaiian.

And so here you are doing your little happy dance routine regarding something which has no real impact on the salient point; That children born outside of Hawaii could get Hawaiian birth certificates.

The Old Statute allows for this just as much as the revised statute in 1982.

You are simply a screaming little girl who is badly in need of a spanking for interrupting the adults.