Ancient Irish musical history found in modern India

EurekAlert! ^ | May 13, 2016 | Australian National University

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks! I’m adding cornu to the keywords... probably the first topic, but just wait a couple of years... also I added shofar when I posted the topic.

[SunkenCiv]

Chess also came from India, so it’s not unexpected that they invented the, uh, straight flush.

[SunkenCiv]

Davy Graham broke open interest in raga in fingerstyle guitar with 1962’s “She moves through the Fair”, better known to many as “White Summer” (Jimmy Page recorded it while still in the Yardbirds, and re-recorded it during the Zep years; “Black Mountain Side” is a ripoff of an old folk tune “Black Waterside”). SMTTF is considered a traditional (public domain) song, but unlike a lot of stuff in that category, its authors are known.

DG’s:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvpTVn_Ltzc
Medley: She Moved Thru’ the Bizarre/Blue Raga
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9XkWbKBs80

Loreena McKennitt:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTa8NA7Ei84
and live:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUb3-VZmJus

[blam]

These folks were in Gansu Province, China before the Chinese. As late as 1300AD, there were still Caucasian only graveyards being used there.

THE CURSE OF THE RED-HEADED MUMMY

[fella]

When I saw the pictures the first thing I thought of was Trajan's Column

[Joe 6-pack]

Van Morrison and the Chieftains teamed up for a pretty haunting version of that song as well....

[fella]

Ooops, it wasn’t big in the preview. I’d like to go see it before the muslims blow it up.

[Republic_Venom]

Actually, the first civilization with underground plumbing was the Indus Valley Civilization some 8500 years ago.

[SunkenCiv]

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[SunkenCiv]

It’s been recorded a lot, I used to try to track down the renditions on CDs, now every once in a while I do a YT search. :’)

[SunkenCiv]

If they blow it up any more, it won’t even fit on this monitor. ;’)

[SunkenCiv]

(for later)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/Trajan’s_Column_reliefs.jpg

[SunkenCiv]

More like 3500 years ago for the Indus Valley plumbing.

[Republic_Venom]

Wasn’t Indus Valley around 5800BC?

[SunkenCiv]

The shofar keyword, sorted:

• Global Shofar FlashMob Held Around the World [2011]
• The Feast of Trumpets [2010]
• YOU ARE MY SHOFAR OF WAR AND DELIGHT ! A VISION AND WORD [2009]
• Arab-Stolen Torahs Returned to Jerusalem Synagogue [2009]
• Ritual horns do not predate Jewish expulsion [ postmedieval Shofar in Britain ] [2008]
• Harrari Harps Recreates Biblical Instruments [2008]
• 35 years pass, but not debate (clergy bless new Planned Parenthood clinic ) Rabbi blows Shofar [2008]
• Police Minister Supports Police in Western Wall Shofar Incident [2006]
• Shofar, not so good: Blower barred from Temple Mount (RoP/JINO/Cowardly Dhimmis Alerts) [2006]
• Man Arrested for Blowing Shofar at Western Wall [2006]
• Rosh Hashanah and the Second Coming [2006]
• Rosh Hashanah 5766 Welcomed By Sound Of Shofar [2005]
• Why Rosh Hashanah IS the Rapture [2005]

[Republic_Venom]

The Time-line for Indus valley is 5000 BC - 1500BC. Urbanization at 3000 BC...so about 5000 years ago indoor plumbing, aqueducts, etc. got started.

[SunkenCiv]

Their neolithic beginnings were in the 8th m BC. Their city-building didn’t get going until the 4th m BC, and they didn’t immediately build plumbing — they started out in small villages, and like a lot of riverine civs, went with massive agriculture, and then needed recordkeeping to track who farmed what, and how much irrigation water was needed; urban living was due to more and more descendants building out from the village cores. That kind of crowding led to the usual learning from mistakes, and sewage management.

The first of what we’d consider somewhat modern plumbing isn’t (as is usually claimed) Knossos on Crete, but the city of Rome. They used similar methods (a buried channel with running water to flush it out) of sewage handling as the Harappans had. Other civilizations handled it differently, the most common method may have been, “go” in a container, and every day or some other interval, take it to the designated area a little downstream from the water supply.

[Moltke]

I just love a well-constructed mixed metaphor!

[SunkenCiv]

It takes some trial and error — I work my way up from a metawon.

[SunkenCiv]

The Desert Mummies of China The Mysterious Caucasian Taklamakan Mummies in Ancient China
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB0q9VdL5nQ

China’s Dessert Mummies Documentary on the Taklamakan Mummies
[mmm, lady fingers!]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl6siGw18kQ