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Ancient Irish musical history found in modern India
EurekAlert! ^ | May 13, 2016 | Australian National University

Posted on 05/14/2016 12:23:53 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

An archaeologist studying musical horns from iron-age Ireland has found musical traditions, thought to be long dead, are alive and well in south India.

The realisation that modern Indian horns are almost identical to many iron-age European artefacts reveals a rich cultural link between the two regions 2,000 years ago, said PhD student Billy O Foghlu, from The Australian National University (ANU).

"Archaeology is usually silent. I was astonished to find what I thought to be dead soundscapes alive and living in Kerala today," said the ANU College of Asia-Pacific student...

The findings help show that Europe and India had a lively cultural exchange with musicians from the different cultures sharing independently developed technology and musical styles.

One example of this musical mixing is depicted in a carving of a celebration in Sanchi dating from c300 BC that shows a group of musicians taking part, playing two European carnyces, a horn with an animal's head.

The musical style of Kerala explains some of the mysteries surrounding the horns that have been unearthed in European iron-age excavations and suggest a very different musical soundscape to current western music said Mr O Foghlu.

(Excerpt) Read more at eurekalert.org ...


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Ancient Irish musical history found in modern India. [ANU Multimedia]

Ancient Irish musical history found in modern India. [ANU Multimedia]

1 posted on 05/14/2016 12:23:54 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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Excellent, the video link worked! Almost as good as embedding.

http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=3430504%2C0


2 posted on 05/14/2016 12:25:42 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I'll tell you what's wrong with society -- no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/shofar/index


3 posted on 05/14/2016 12:34:52 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I'll tell you what's wrong with society -- no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.)
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To: SunkenCiv
The Romans had a similar instrument called a Cornu
4 posted on 05/14/2016 1:29:07 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: SunkenCiv
Ancient Irish musical history found in modern India. [ANU Multimedia]

George Harrison takes Irish Horns to India, comes back with Ravi Shankar's Sitar (click here)? /s

5 posted on 05/14/2016 2:05:16 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: SunkenCiv

This seems to go further than just instruments. Years ago, an Irish anthropologist did studies and concluded that a fair dergree of early Irish music was structurally similar to Indian music. He stated you could hum a number of different Irish folk tunes to certain Indian populations and the Indians could finish it! One thing for sure, The Celts sure got around. The civilizations of Galatia (Turkey) , Gaul (France) and Galicia (spain) all contain the root “Gal” or “Gael” and indicate Celtic settlement at one tme.

CC


6 posted on 05/14/2016 4:51:42 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (CC: purveyor of cryptic, snarky posts since December, 2000..)
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To: Celtic Conservative; 240B; 75thOVI; Adder; albertp; asgardshill; At the Window; bitt; blu; ...
And, the Celts crossed out of Central Asiia, a lot longer ago than this.

7 posted on 05/14/2016 5:03:16 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I'll tell you what's wrong with society -- no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.)
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To: SunkenCiv

IIRC there are some who think the Celts originated in asia. There are native populations in what are now Tibet and Nepal that have curly red hair and freckles as a known genetic trait.


8 posted on 05/14/2016 5:12:53 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (CC: purveyor of cryptic, snarky posts since December, 2000..)
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To: Celtic Conservative

All of the Indo-European groups originated in central Asia.


9 posted on 05/14/2016 5:52:12 AM PDT by Campion (Halten Sie sich unbedingt an die Lehre!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Why so surprised?
“The Drunken Irishman” Is still open in Ponape, Micronesia


10 posted on 05/14/2016 7:31:38 AM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: SunkenCiv

India 2000 years behind Western countries? Sounds about right. When will archeologists discover indoor plumbing in India that resembles a Western precursor? In 200 years? 300? ;-)


11 posted on 05/14/2016 7:32:50 AM PDT by Moltke (Reasoning with a liberal is like watering a rock in the hope to grow a building)
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To: SunkenCiv

Loreena McKennit is not only an excellent musician, but a pretty bright musicologist. A lot of her stuff draws on the Celtic roots in the near and mid east.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QpRCK1IbiE&feature=youtube_gdata_player


12 posted on 05/14/2016 7:35:20 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Moltke

My friends, Sabi, Fasil and Nandeebas are taking many offenses from you.

:)


13 posted on 05/14/2016 7:47:08 AM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Moltke

Raj and Sujit are also showing displeasures at your suggestions


14 posted on 05/14/2016 8:00:36 AM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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Notice how the previous two posts can be spoken in the Indian sing song way or the Irish brogue and still sound natural and convey the point.

Civilizations have been melding for millennia.


15 posted on 05/14/2016 8:08:27 AM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: SunkenCiv
Sailors Horn Pipe
16 posted on 05/14/2016 8:25:32 AM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Celtic Conservative

No one captured the melding of civilizations better than Kipling.


17 posted on 05/14/2016 8:29:51 AM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: All

Funny, just yesterday I was speaking if how the Indians are emulating American motorcycle culture on British designed bikes.

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18 posted on 05/14/2016 8:34:13 AM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: mylife

Ah, then please extend many more offenses from me... :-)


19 posted on 05/14/2016 9:10:38 AM PDT by Moltke (Reasoning with a liberal is like watering a rock in the hope to grow a building)
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To: Celtic Conservative

Makes sense to me.

I play in a Celtic group, lived in Ireland as a kid, etc.. I found playing my fretless bass along with ragas to be pretty natural. The western 12 notes to the octave is merely a convention, not an absolute.


20 posted on 05/14/2016 9:13:29 AM PDT by RedStateRocker (Better questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned.)
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