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An organizing meeting of state delegations to meet next month in Arizona to hammer out rules for any Convention of States, should one come to pass.
1 posted on 08/12/2017 8:52:52 PM PDT by Neil E. Wright
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To: Neil E. Wright
Changing the Constitution to "fix the problem" is like switching to a different program to fix a malfunctioning television.

Democracy: Two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.

Republic: A democracy where two hundred wolves and one hundred lambs elect two wolves and one lamb as their representatives to vote on what to have for lunch.

Constitutional Republic: A republic with a Constitution guaranteeing that lamb is not on the lunch menu. Eventually, the Supreme Court rules—five wolves to four lambs--that mutton is not the same as lamb.

The monopoly power to make the laws, enforce the laws, decide what the law means, and how it applies to specific cases, can and will be used to make Constitutions and democratic elections irrelevant.

2 posted on 08/12/2017 8:59:51 PM PDT by sourcery (Non Acquiescit: "I do not consent" (Latin))
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To: Jacquerie; Publius; Jim Robinson

Article V organizing convention to be held in Arizona next month.


3 posted on 08/12/2017 9:00:05 PM PDT by Neil E. Wright (An OATH is FOREVER OathKeeper III We are EVERYWHERE)
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To: Neil E. Wright
The Father of our Constitution said this about any other convention after the first one:

"Having witnessed the difficulty and dangers experienced by the first Convention which assembled under very propitious circumstances, I should tremble for the result of a second meeting in the present temper of America and under all the disadvantages I have mentioned."

In other words, the first one was a godsend, a second one, even if good men think it is a great idea, will not be as advantageous as the first.

We have enough laws on the books and in the Constitution - what is really needed are people with enough cajones to enforce what we already have.

4 posted on 08/12/2017 9:04:55 PM PDT by Slyfox (Where's Reagan when we need him? Look in the mirror - the spirit of The Gipper lives within you.)
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To: Neil E. Wright

Article V is great idea and can be used to repeal the 16th and 17th amendments which ruined the republic for which it stands.


5 posted on 08/12/2017 9:08:08 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Neil E. Wright

There are time limits to get amendments passed.

This balanced budget one that began in the 1970s is not an open-ended time amandment that can take 40+ years to pass. That is not how this works. Usually it takes somewhere around a 7 year limit or so to get the required 34 states.

For ex, its why the ERA amendment failed, they could not get enough states within the designated timeframe it had to be passed by the state legislatures.


7 posted on 08/12/2017 9:10:39 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Neil E. Wright

Criminals do not obey laws.

There is only one way to deal with this problem, and it ain’t pretty.


8 posted on 08/12/2017 9:11:22 PM PDT by chris37 (Donald J. Trump, Tom Brady, The Patriots... American Destiny!)
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The repeal of the 16th and 17th amendments will go a long way to fixing things without a convention!


11 posted on 08/12/2017 9:13:38 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Neil E. Wright

lol

they dont pay attention to the one we have now!


13 posted on 08/12/2017 9:19:01 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Make America Great Again !)
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To: Neil E. Wright
Is changing the Constitution the only way to fix Washington?

No. Enforcing what we have is the best way.

15 posted on 08/12/2017 9:40:49 PM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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What...just make a new constitution that will be ignored.

The Soviet Union had a wonderful constitution, at least Alexndr Solzhenitsyn says so, and I believe him. But it was just a piece of paper.


16 posted on 08/12/2017 9:42:46 PM PDT by rlmorel (Those who sit on the picket fence are impaled by it.)
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To: Neil E. Wright; sourcery

“Is changing the Constitution the only way to fix Washington?”

Probably the LAST shot to try to fix it before you know what.

But it may prove that it’s unfixable.

The following may end up working better...

“That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

Another way to put it is that what we have right now is “spaghetti code” government. That’s what software engineers call programs whose code has undergone so many iterations, fixes and changes that it’s impossible to work on it any more and it’s better to start all over with a clean slate.


17 posted on 08/12/2017 9:49:48 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: Neil E. Wright

> “ ... stoked by groups on the ***left*** and right ...”

The Left has zero chance of passing any amendment. As of now, there are 12 blue states and 38 red states. To ratify an amendment to the Constitution requires 38 State legislatures.

The following proposed structural constitutional amendment is favored to pass, and note that it is written so that no branch of federal government may have a say in how it is operated:

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AMENDMENT XXVIII (’State Suffrage’)

To restore effective suffrage of State Legislatures to Congress, the following amendment is proposed:

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Section 1.
Senators in Congress shall be subject to recall by their respective state legislature or by voter referendum in their respective state.

Section 2.
Term limits for Senators in Congress shall be set by vote in their respective state legislatures but in no case shall be set less than twelve years nor more than eighteen years.

Section 3:
The seventeenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.

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19 posted on 08/12/2017 10:06:28 PM PDT by Hostage (Article V)
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To: Neil E. Wright

NO.

Following the one we have is.

We have ceased to be a nation of laws.

The only laws that will followed and enforced will be the ones the left likes.


22 posted on 08/12/2017 10:12:03 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60's....You weren't really there)
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Term limits, and enforcement of the existing laws would fix it. 90% of Congress should convene in prison as it is now. If they were doing their job instead of selling influence they would not leave service multi millionaires.


27 posted on 08/12/2017 10:31:26 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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Since they’re already breaking the law with impunity, exactly what “new” law would fix things? It’s like gun laws that only adversely affect law abiding people while criminals simply ignore them.


29 posted on 08/12/2017 10:50:00 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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Research why Founders used the following words in the Constitution: Posterity, Naturalization and Natural Born Citizen.

Hint: “Yearnings to be with her own natural kind” “were all thy children lind and natural” “the kindly fruits of the earth”

The Founders language was Middle English.

When you figure it...eveyone will know Congress unnaturalized the country after WBTS and it continues,


30 posted on 08/12/2017 10:54:29 PM PDT by bushpilot2
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To: Neil E. Wright

The rule to ratify/change/clarify the Constitution and number of states needed to do it would likely prevent most of the changes from happening.

I’d love to see the 2nd Amendment clarified so the gun grabbers can pack sand forever and a closing and clarification of the anchor baby loophole so at least one parent must be an American citizen.

Term limits would round out my wish list. A drastic reduction in government workers at the federal level would be great too. Drastic; like at least a third gone. Oh; and no more government Unions. There’s no one but an empty chair representing us, the taxpayers, at the table negotiating with Unions. Private Unions are fine if that’s what the people want but no Unions where taxes are used to pay the people working there. No tax money used to kill babies in their mother’s body either.

Welfare and food stamp reform so anyone receiving these would need to work for the local government for at least 9 hours a week for welfare and 5 hours a month for food stamps and not sitting down somewhere. Cleaning offices, washing cars, or picking trash up along the highway would be the kind of things that need doing that towns are paying to get done already.


32 posted on 08/12/2017 11:28:05 PM PDT by Boomer (Have RINO republican pols been radicalized somehow?)
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36 posted on 08/13/2017 12:25:39 AM PDT by Nateman (If liberals are not screaming you are doing it wrong!)
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To: Neil E. Wright

It’s ill advised. The problem is not the Constitution - except the 16th & 17th Amend - it is the beastly organizations which have seized control. They trample all over it and appoint judges that tell us it’s ok. Nothing will change until these parties are run out of our governments, federal and state.


38 posted on 08/13/2017 1:08:24 AM PDT by Ray76 (Republicans are a Democrat party front group.)
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To: Neil E. Wright

1. Balanced Budget
2. Term Limits for Congress and Courts
3. Repeal the 17th Amendment


42 posted on 08/13/2017 1:45:38 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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